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Most Skilled Sequel

The real cal howard said:
"Throw ikki at cap then, all magic restricted all stats equal. That's the ult test of skill."

I would, but I can't bots in my own threads, effectively removing a whole major side for Cap.
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You're the one whose arguing taskman and cap are better than ikki. Then throw him at a skill fight. But if anyone is willing to make that fight then sure.
 
Why is Ikki number 1?
 
Like, by HxH standards, Goku has, like, 15 Hatsu Abilities that he can use with the efficiency of people who would only be good at 1 type of abilitiy. Destructo Disk would be an Emmission and Transmutation ability in HxH, and the ability to "cut through anything" it was supposed to have, or at the very least currently the ability to cut things far stronger than what is otherwise possible than you with no real restrictions— on top of being able to throw it that far away from you when transmuters aren't as skilled with projecting their Chi away from themselves— that would be a disgustingly high skill feat in HxH. Just that power. And then Goku has flight. FLIGHT. Teleportation. The Kamehameha. The Kaioken. Creating energy dragon constructs that can turn into fire and back. Cloning. There's soooo much shit in DBZ that would be impossible for anyone who wasn't hyper skilled in HxH to do. It doesn't work fam.

That being said, I could make a thread about this... but it would still be stupid by reasonable standards.
 
Zara, that's why you ignore things that give you blatant superpowers. You can be ridiculous, but not so ridiculous that you're capable of doing shit that wouldn't be possible or doable given the technique you used. Slicing through metal with paper has nothing to do with how good you are at swinging your sword. Skill won't make shit easier to brake. Learning millions of martial arts in a second isn't THAT big of a stretch in comparison to walking into my subconscious because you're a good dancer.
 
Giffoni, I might not disagree with that concept, but show us the more tame Yujiro feats basically. Ones that don't involve him seeing my cavities from millions of miles away with my head turned and mouth closed. I'm sure he has some shit.
 
Moritzva said:
Why is Ikki number 1?
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Because I'm too nice to take him off as it's a democracy even though his execution in skills pales in comparison to the rest and it basically amounts to being able to see real good.
 
Because I'm too nice to take him off as it's a democracy even though his execution in skills pales in comparison to the rest and it basically amounts to being able to see real good.

And too lazy to make a thread to prove your point.
 
Because I'm too nice to take him off as it's a democracy even though his execution in skills pales in comparison to the rest and it basically amounts to being able to see real good.

Did we vote yet?
 
His point is kinda already proven tho. Most of the feats you gave are him using superpowers. Subconscious?! Really??
 
All of Ikki's skill feats are PIS or superpowers. Change my mind.
 
When I say superpowers I mean strictly combat arts not energies or anything of the sort because that messes thing up even futher. If we're saying superpowers aren't allowed at all then what qualifies as a superpower? Going off the basic definition "(in fiction) an exceptional or extraordinary power or ability." everyone on the list is superpowered. It's basically seeing who has the most ridiculous combat art skills. That's how I see it.
 
KGiffoni said:
Alright, let me turn 100 steps back and assume only this type of realistic skill counts here.
Yujiro still is better than CA.
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Yujiro mastered Xiao Lee, a technique that requires the user to completly remove their natural instincts and any body tension they may have, even if, in Kaku Kaioh's case, fighting the strongest living creature.

Oh, and he dwarfs in "pure skill" people who:

"Before the fight even starts, Doppo already has numerous "tricks" up his sleeve that he is ready to use. And before engaging in the fight itself, he will carefully inspect his opponent, their stance, fighting style, techniques, etc. Even if he was caught off guard, he'd be able to decipher the secrets of others' frightful abilities relatively quickly."

" Kaku Kaioh, due to his more than a century-long years of experience and learning, as well as perfecting the weaknesses of his abilities, has a vast variety of knowledge, especially over martial arts. He is a perceptive character who can very easily see through the mentality of another person, how they prefer to fight, their level of power, etc. "

And people who can do way crazier stuff that i don't recall correctly right now, it's a big franchise and it's been some time since i last readed it. But Yujiro having more than 100 distinct moves should also be a sign of how much skill he has.
 
Yeah no one here is obliged to change your mind. In fact you should prove your claim. Can't believe you still have this Rakudai hate boner. Seriously, what did Ikki do to you?
 
Some stuff i mentioned before still stands, i guess. Can master any martial art with a glance, knows every single one there exists (even ones only passed through noble blood), etc etc.
 
Amexim said:
His point is kinda already proven tho. Most of the feats you gave are him using superpowers. Subconscious?! Really??
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Yes humans can perceive things as not important. The explanation is on the blog
 
There's someone who recalls the Bakiverse even more than i do, so i'll tell him to check this out so he can mention all the stuff i didn't.
 
Karnak has gained the extrasensory ability to perceive the stress points, fracture planes, or weaknesses, physical or psychological, in all objects or persons around him. At his very end, Karnak was able to see fragments of the future, by bending the definition of his powers. An after effect of Karnak's ability to discern faults also includes understanding the logical conclusions stemming to a person's rationale.

Black Panther bitched Karnak easily. And Taskmaster >>>> BP.
 
When we say superhuman instead of superpowers, we mean being able to do shit that's based on actual applications of actions that can be done. Even if it's impossible to learn a martial art in a second, you're still doing an exaggerated superhuman version of a human ability. "Learning." Captain America's throwing and calculation of trajectory is still based on something doable.

I don't think I can cut with such precision that my attack literally comes from three different directions simultaneously. I don't even think I can do that with speed without being literally in multiple places at once. It's why making speed clones is just a cloning superpower rather than a sign that you're nigh omnipresent in speed. Shit that's too off the wall can't be counted because of both the inconsistency in fiction to be able to reach that level and it's blatant nonsensical argument on how it and the trait used to achieve it are connected. In this conversation, these things can't be handwaved...

Having such good dexterity in my fingers that I can tickle God's omnipresent body from outside of the "space" he would inhabit is... A super power. Rapping so fast that I can rewind time is a superpower, and if the bars are trash, J Cole, Kendrick Lamar, any normal human rapper would still be fundamentally better. You get it now?
 
The real cal howard said:
Karnak has gained the extrasensory ability to perceive the stress points, fracture planes, or weaknesses, physical or psychological, in all objects or persons around him. At his very end, Karnak was able to see fragments of the future, by bending the definition of his powers. An after effect of Karnak's ability to discern faults also includes understanding the logical conclusions stemming to a person's rationale.
Black Panther bitched Karnak easily. And Taskmaster >>>> BP.
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That's a superpower. https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Extrasensory_Perception

"Superpowers" count when it benefits the characters the OP likes but doesn't when it benefits characters that, with it, are above the ones the OP likes.
 
...except Karnak isn't the one who's being shouted out? Panther is? The last line is "Black Panther bitched him." Not "Karnak deserves to be on the list."
 
Ikki... Being able suddenly make me not give a **** about to the point of him, in my mind, not existing as a concept by simply walking and breathing in a rhythm. That's a goddamn superpower. This unarguable. He can literally effectively make himself invisible by breathing and walking, and travel in a straight line right in front of my face and then kill me. No. Lmao
 
The real cal howard said:
...except Karnak isn't the one who's being shouted out? Panther is?
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That only proves BP can counter a superpower. But there aren't any here.
 
Half of you are arguing that Ikki and Yujiro do exactly that! I'm here saying that even if we do count it, Black Panther has no-diffed someone with that ability, and Taskmaster has copied Black Panther and more.
 
The real cal howard said:
Half of you are arguing that Ikki and Yujiro do exactly that! I'm here saying that even if we do count it, Black Panther has no-diffed someone with that ability, and Taskmaster has copied Black Panther and more.
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Could you provide me the comic this happens in so i knew the context?
 
The real cal howard said:
Half of you are arguing that Ikki and Yujiro do exactly that! I'm here saying that even if we do count it, Black Panther has no-diffed someone with that ability, and Taskmaster has copied Black Panther and more.
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Even if he did, he no-diffed someone who didn't have all the other abilities Yujiro has. I don't even know if they (BP and this guy) are the same tier at all.
 
The real cal howard said:
Could you provide me the comic this happens in so i knew the context?
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http://i.imgur.com/UULkvHO.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/lS2ZaTl.jpg

He no-diffs Karnak not once but twice, on two separate occasions. He mentions that he's using his superpower in the first one, and everything else he can do is a part of his superpower.

I need the comic, the issue this happened. I want to read it.
 
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