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Skill Wars: Return of the Skill List
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I agree, as do I
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Psst. Where is Meruem on this list?
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It's still an ability though.Tdtd1234 said:
Depends, he was caught off guard in that fight.
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Perfect sense is also an ability.
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Perfect sense?The God Of Procrastination said:
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Vision, I was 100% sure that it was sense.
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Perfect Vision is just a name given to Ikki's ability to deduce shit really well. Unlike actual magic abilities.The God Of Procrastination said:
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Ok so, can someone sum up the reasons for Yagyu not being #1?
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Nothing puts him above ppl like Yujiro, Sasaki, and Fugil iirc.
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Dude, I've read Baki front to back twice now and there are people that are viewed as absolutely nothing compared to Sword Saints that are better than Yujiro.
Sasaki's entire deal is precog, something that people vastly below Sword Saints have in droves.
Idk much about Fugil.
Sasaki's entire deal is precog, something that people vastly below Sword Saints have in droves.
Idk much about Fugil.
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The front to back of... Grappler Baki? Cuz like, New Grappler Baki, Son of Ogre, and Baki Dou existHl3 or bust said:
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I've read all of it, yes
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Hl3 or bust said:
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Instead of posting an unfunny meme, why don't you try and debunk what i have said?
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Boy, chill, he posted a meme.
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Sadly old man Yagyu kinda memes on Musashi
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Btw in a skill fight, Ikki already crushed Musashi.
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Yeah that fight was bullshit
Iap is the most passive debater I've ever seen and really didn t even try
Iap is the most passive debater I've ever seen and really didn t even try
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Crushed seems excessive.
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I think we should make a thread where we allow conceptual and transcending skills af a feat just for indexing and future use in debating
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The thing is, they're not quantifiable.
Let's have an example like, who would be more skilled, a dude who cuts concepts with skill or a dude whose skill is beyond time and space?
It's basically just headcanon at that point as neither of those are "actual" combat skill. They're just statements, not a feat.
Let's have an example like, who would be more skilled, a dude who cuts concepts with skill or a dude whose skill is beyond time and space?
It's basically just headcanon at that point as neither of those are "actual" combat skill. They're just statements, not a feat.
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It's more like sum up the reasons why he should be #1.Hl3 or bust said:
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I've already given my reasons along with Paul. The short of it is that he scales above people who are already top 5 material by a literally infinite amount.
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I mean, Fugil also scales far above characters who can do what you posted for them and more, I don't see what puts Yagyu at #1 just by being "infinitely superior" in skill to others, they aren't infinitely superior, how can you be infinitely superior to someone in skill? They are above them by a huge amount, but I don't think "infinity" is really something quantifable.
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Yeah, just to be clear, we're not doing that "infinite skill" and "0 and infinity" Shimosa stuff for reasons we already discussed when placing Musashi, but if Yagyu normally scales past Musashi, give some feats as to how
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Why exactly is that bad? Like, if you're gonna move the rules around the #1 spot at least make it less obvious.
Anyways, Yagyu has always been portrayed as well above every other Sword Saint, as he matched both Infinity Sasaki and Zero Musashi while holding back. Even without that, he scale above god knows how many people who have various skills on par with or outright superior to most of the list as already shown several times.
Anyways, Yagyu has always been portrayed as well above every other Sword Saint, as he matched both Infinity Sasaki and Zero Musashi while holding back. Even without that, he scale above god knows how many people who have various skills on par with or outright superior to most of the list as already shown several times.
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Jesus Jordan, you dropped me some text there.
Can i at least consider people to be familiar with the spam message that gets send around everytime i have to explain Pray?
Well lets see. John has a pretty insane and long scaling chain of skill there, but 2 things kinda makes me iffy. First, the baseline for the chain seems to be red martians, but they scale to rather featless human warriors. Assuming that we are talking about real life soldiers to that time period (Or more skilled due to fictional exaggeration), it isnt that impressive, but you can change my mind about that.
The other problem is that it seems that higher skilled factions tend to hard counter the lower skilled faction. Dont misunderstand me, i am not accusing them of not being "more" skilled due to that, but it does sponges the scale a bit.
But, i would actually run into the same problem, so i did a bit of Knight Run cruising (Alright i rereaded the series for the fifth time, dont judge me) and found some feats as well.
So, yada yada yada Knight scaling across the universe, Master Knight scaling across all Knights and Cold heroes scaling above all Master Knights period.
A pretty unskilled Knight can predict an entire army by reading their Inerta and Gravity movement, interpreting actual musclemovement out of them. The same Knight can cut falling leafes midair cleanly in half with a wooden sword.
Another Knight, pretty dang unskilled too, can cleanly cut of limps from enemies barehanded, this is pretty baseline for Knights.
Clint Zail, the pupil of Sion, can accuratly cut someones arm of across an entire building with nothing more then his senses (No contact to the target at all, just pure senses). The same senses allow him to identify keytargets with nothing more then their footsteps, he not only identifies them as enemies this way, he can pinpoint their exact position and even tell characteristics like gender. He did this in a buisy office building, through multiple floors. His sword art is so refinied, to the point where nearly everything from his draw to the cut, to the resheathing, is nearly invisible. He can basically seemingly stand still and suddenly you get hit by hundrets of swordstrikes, while his sword still looks sheathed.
Anne has multiple feats of tangoing with far stronger enemies, fun fact, Anne is barely strong enough physically to be considered a Knight, she lacks in physical stats and gets blitzed so often its not even funny. She predicted multiple attacks, used to kill things far faster than she ever could be at point blank. Her analytical prediction, while not perfect vision level, is still pretty good, because it dosnt just predict movements, but the victory intention behind it, she grasps what your winning plan is, by just standing next to you. And yes its skillbased, she grasps your rythm and deduces it out of it.
Dry predicted attacks that were literally too fast for him to react to without much trouble.
And Pray is above all of that. What Sion archived in 2 years of gruesome wars after wars after wars? 6 months after graduation. Anne's analytical prediction? Compared to Pray's pitiful. Anne can predict with it, Pray basically looks into the future with it. Dry with actual, possible infinite possibility precog? Pray rolls him over.
The rest would be repeating older points over again, you will find them on the last thread iirc
Can i at least consider people to be familiar with the spam message that gets send around everytime i have to explain Pray?
Well lets see. John has a pretty insane and long scaling chain of skill there, but 2 things kinda makes me iffy. First, the baseline for the chain seems to be red martians, but they scale to rather featless human warriors. Assuming that we are talking about real life soldiers to that time period (Or more skilled due to fictional exaggeration), it isnt that impressive, but you can change my mind about that.
The other problem is that it seems that higher skilled factions tend to hard counter the lower skilled faction. Dont misunderstand me, i am not accusing them of not being "more" skilled due to that, but it does sponges the scale a bit.
But, i would actually run into the same problem, so i did a bit of Knight Run cruising (Alright i rereaded the series for the fifth time, dont judge me) and found some feats as well.
So, yada yada yada Knight scaling across the universe, Master Knight scaling across all Knights and Cold heroes scaling above all Master Knights period.
A pretty unskilled Knight can predict an entire army by reading their Inerta and Gravity movement, interpreting actual musclemovement out of them. The same Knight can cut falling leafes midair cleanly in half with a wooden sword.
Another Knight, pretty dang unskilled too, can cleanly cut of limps from enemies barehanded, this is pretty baseline for Knights.
Clint Zail, the pupil of Sion, can accuratly cut someones arm of across an entire building with nothing more then his senses (No contact to the target at all, just pure senses). The same senses allow him to identify keytargets with nothing more then their footsteps, he not only identifies them as enemies this way, he can pinpoint their exact position and even tell characteristics like gender. He did this in a buisy office building, through multiple floors. His sword art is so refinied, to the point where nearly everything from his draw to the cut, to the resheathing, is nearly invisible. He can basically seemingly stand still and suddenly you get hit by hundrets of swordstrikes, while his sword still looks sheathed.
Anne has multiple feats of tangoing with far stronger enemies, fun fact, Anne is barely strong enough physically to be considered a Knight, she lacks in physical stats and gets blitzed so often its not even funny. She predicted multiple attacks, used to kill things far faster than she ever could be at point blank. Her analytical prediction, while not perfect vision level, is still pretty good, because it dosnt just predict movements, but the victory intention behind it, she grasps what your winning plan is, by just standing next to you. And yes its skillbased, she grasps your rythm and deduces it out of it.
Dry predicted attacks that were literally too fast for him to react to without much trouble.
And Pray is above all of that. What Sion archived in 2 years of gruesome wars after wars after wars? 6 months after graduation. Anne's analytical prediction? Compared to Pray's pitiful. Anne can predict with it, Pray basically looks into the future with it. Dry with actual, possible infinite possibility precog? Pray rolls him over.
The rest would be repeating older points over again, you will find them on the last thread iirc
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Yeah, no, not going to quote the +50 message convo where everyone came to agree that Shimosa stuff wasn't gunna work here. It's on the previous threads when Musashi got her placement.
Does Yagyu normally scale above Musashi? @Creature made some pretty convincing arguments on her behalf as I remember
Does Yagyu normally scale above Musashi? @Creature made some pretty convincing arguments on her behalf as I remember
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I don't know what to tell you then. I remember it being """"""""""dicussed"""""""""" on the last thread, and yes those quotation marks indicated that it wasn't discussed in the slightest as it was literally just mentioned and ignored.
Yagyu always scales above her. Musashi being good does nothing but buff him because he is always depicted as superior to her.
Yagyu always scales above her. Musashi being good does nothing but buff him because he is always depicted as superior to her.
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Okay, I remember a large discussion between several people still active at the time and an agreement to not use them, but that must be the Mandela EffectHl3 or bust said:
To what degree?
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To be entirely fair this might have happened in an earlier thread.
Normal Musashi called his ability "unfair" in comparison to her own, and in Shimosa he matched both Infinity Sasaki and Zero Musashi while holding back.
Normal Musashi called his ability "unfair" in comparison to her own, and in Shimosa he matched both Infinity Sasaki and Zero Musashi while holding back.
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I mean, we can discuss it again if you want, I can discuss Fugil againts anyone on the Top 2 + Hayato, but in another thread, this one is getting full.
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Opening a new one now
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