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Pretty simple. Currently, Minato's AP justification contains the following:
Attack Potency: Island level (justification), higher with Rasengan (Minato created the Rasengan to counter Bijū Bombs.[41] As a teen, he clashed with a Bijū Bomb from Kurama who had a large amount of his chakra...
Currently, KCM Minato is accepted as scaling to KCM2 Naruto, and the reasoning for such is as follows.
"Equal in strength to Kurama Mode Naruto, as he has the other half of Kurama’s power. When he lent some of his chakra to Naruto, the Kyuubi cloaks were noted to be bigger and stronger than...
Rematch of a canon fight, this time with both of them at full power. This is Rinnegan Sasuke and Code/Kawaki fight Borushiki. Speed equalized.
Sasuke: 7
Borushiki: 0
Naruto ftw: 0
As most of you probably know, the Minato one shot just dropped, and with it we got some very interesting new feats and statements. I'll talk about each character and their relevant scaling in separate sections, starting with the main man himself.
This is a response to the recent thread about Naruto Top Tiers, so reading the scaling there before this would probably be a good idea. I'll be talking about why 50% Kurama shouldn't scale to MKCM2 Naruto based on feats, statements, and scaling.
There's really no basis for MKCM2 Naruto's power...
The infamous duel between the masters of FTG. Who wins? Alive versions for both and speed equalized. Battle is in a large forest that starts in a wide clearing, with a distance of 20m between them.
Scaling Chains:
Minato~>V2 Ay>>V1 Ay~>KCM Naruto
Tobirama>Edo Tobirama~/>EMS Sasuke~MKCM...
Just a continuation of my last CRT. The databook states that when two Rasengan with inverse rotations clash together, their power more than doubles.
I'd think this is as straightforward as upgrades come, but apparently not. Basically the argument against it is that this is a physics based DC...
That's right, I'm opening up the flame war again, now that Itachi's officially a SM Naruto slayer like Pain is. P1 Itachi and the 6 Paths of Pain are used. Nagato is as close to the Pains as he was against Naruto.
Solo God: 0
Invincible God: 0
Obito recks: 0
Rarity scales to Applejack in combat speed as they matched each other in a pillow fight, and reacted to AJ's lasso toss, which AJ has a likely far higher rating in, scaling to Rainbow Dash's flight speed, so Rarity with magic should also have a far higher rating.
For grace to start, does there have to be at least a 3 vote difference and there's at least 7 votes for one side, or will it start as soon as one side reaches 7 votes?
Currently, Adult Sakura only has one rating for her AP, but she should have Higher with 100 Healings cause that's literally stated to boost power, and Tsunade's feats with it also show this very clearly, with 100H Tsunade one shotting Madara who tanked her kick in base.
Her adult key should be...
The 2 Jigen slayers face off. Who wins? There are people in the area they're fighting, assume they're a couple dozen meters from the starting area of the battle.
Daemon: 2
Isshiki: 7
Incon:
Sasuke (and Naruto): When Naruto and Sasuke clashed at the FKS, both Naruto and Sasuke saw that they'd die if they fought each other. And this should naturally be about them at their FP if it's a fight to the death. To add support to this, Naruto stated he needed KCM to beat Sasuke and Sasuke...
Currently there is a rule for the Narutoverse that goes as follows:
This rule should be removed as there is currently a God Tier thread where that was proposed and most people (including most staff) agreed with the proposals. There are also problems with the description of the rule itself. For...
kaguya
kaguya ōtsutsuki
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kinshiki ōtsutsuki
momoshiki
momoshiki ōtsutsuki
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naruto (the universe)
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For a while now, this site hasn't allowed the use of the blurbs at the start and ends of chapters for scaling as they're only in the fan translations, not the official VIZ which the site uses. But this is a misrepresentation of the truth.
While it's true there's nothing written in the volume...
Ohnoki survived being right in the middle of the Tengai Shinsei when it hit the ground, the same attack that disintegrated Edo Madara.
This is despite Madara having the Humanoid Susanoo active (it's a bit hard to see in the last page, but a bit of the dark blue of the Susanoo is visible in the...
I know the Tier 6 Naruto revision is coming, but since Shinsu Senju is in a scaling vacuum and doesn't really connect to any other characters (other than the MAS, which also doesn't connect to anyone else), I thought this would be fine.
Anyways, the Shinsu Senju was able to overpower the...
Who wins among the two strongest Hokages before Naruto? SM restricted, and Hashirama gets sealing tags he can use if he inflicts major injuries on Minato. Battle starts in a massive forest that goes dozens of miles in every direction, and the fighters are facing each other at a distance of 20...
What I said in the OP. Do you think Edos can get stronger through fighting or training or whatever or do they have a fixed cap from the moment they're revived?
This is Five Kage Summit Arc Naruto and Post-Danzo fight Sasuke without his near blindness. And OM Obito from the same time period. Let's say Naruto managed to talk no jutsu Sasuke here and when Obito showed up, Sasuke got a resolve amp that healed his eyes and stamina somehow and then they...
Before I get into any of the scaling, I wanna make a note about FKS backscaling from the WA, which I'll be countering a lot of. The most common response to this is that there were only a few days/weeks between the FKS and the war so characters shouldn't have gotten that much stronger. And that...
I know this sounds like a stomp, but before you say "Perfect Susanoo gg" or "Madara FRA," listen to the restriction. Madara is not allowed to use any version of the Susanoo beyond the Humanoid version, and he can't use Tengai Shinsei or his 6-C/High 6-C Wood Release. Yes this is allowed because...
What the OP says. Cause I was thinking of making something for Late/Post-Juubito fight EMS Sasuke, EMS Madara, Blind SM Madara, and SM Hashirama all being 6-C, but if it's gonna flop like all my other revisions in this versewide CRT time, might as well wait.
Edo/Prime Hiruzen should be High 7-A. Tobirama struggled to get through all the God Tree branches and save Naruto while Hiruzen did it effortlessly.
His Shuriken Shadow Clone jutsu also pressured Juubito enough to use his TSOs.
There's also evidence to suggest Edo Hiruzen is close to his...
High 7-A keys. Minato starts in Base but can enter SM. This is Early Juubito fight Sasuke. AKA the one who fought alongside MKCM Naruto. Neither has any knowledge on each other, except Minato knows Sasuke has EMS and Sasuke knows Minato has SM.
The Wholesome Hokage: 7
The Emo Uchiha: 5...
Considering Naruto supposedly surpassed Minato in the Pain Arc, let's put that to the test, shall we (to those that are thinking back to the CRT, yes this is me being indirectly snarky)? Just to make it not spite, I'll make it SM at least. Shouldn't make much of a difference tho.
The Number...
This is what Madara currently has on his profile. "Soul Manipulation and Non-Physical Interaction (Users of Susano'o can interact with the soul. Scales to Itachi's Susano'o that can wield Totsuka Blade, which doesn't have a physical form)" Madara doesn't have the Totsuka Blade and has never...
Hokage ranking is a popular topic, but I wanted to put a spin on it. How about instead of ranking who's overall the strongest, we rank based on speed? The versions I'm referring to are Alive Hashirama/Tobirama, Prime Hiruzen, Alive Minato (you can count SM), Tsunade, Hokage Kakashi, and Adult...
Battle takes place in the place where Deidara and Sasuke fought. Naruto has no knowledge while Sasuke has full knowledge.
Naruto:
Sasuke:
Inconclusive:
This is the current justification for Alive Minato's speed: "At least Sub-Relativistic with Relativistic Reactions (Minato's Reaction Speed allowed him to gain the upper hand against the Fourth Raikage. Outsped Obito Uchiha in the past, despite the Uchiha possessing a better Space-Time Ninjutsu...
There are a ton of Naruto characters that have fought proficient genjutsu users and not been affected by it, and while it's possible to write it off as PIS, I think resistance is much more logical.
This would apply to Kinshiki and Isshiki mostly, as they're Otsutsukis with dojutsu, which would...
I was just reading some arguments in a vs battle and someone saying a susanoo is a non factor got me thinking. When you mark someone there isn't a fixed direction from the mark you need to teleport to. For example when an FTG mark is placed on a person you can both teleport behind them, in front...
Knowledge is in character from fighting alongside each other against Juubito. The Sasuke is from the early parts of the Juubito fight and Naruto is from then as well (the Naruto with the cloak but fully light aura). Which mid war arc mc is superior?
Naruto: 7
Sasuke: 7
Inconclusive: 2
This isn't a particularly wild revision (like my other ones apparently were...), it's just touching stuff up that needs to be updated. First off, Mountain Level+ Minato. The 7-A+ calc was outdated and the new scaling for that level of characters is High 7-A (it was originally stated SM...
Just curious. I know the wiki used to consider tham having the same power, and I'm not sure why, considering BM Naruto whacked away bijuudama just with shunshin. Is it to make it more consistent with him fighting Madara and Obito?
So YM Obito, as we all know, fought Minato, and while Minato showed clear superiority to him on multiple occassions, it's enough that he likely scales to Sub-Relativistic. OM Obito also has sub-relativistic feats, reacting to Ay's blitz at the FKS and (not sure if this counts as MS Sasuke only...
Alive with Kurama Minato VS VOTE Madara w/o Kurama
Minato: 0
Madara: 3
Inconclusive
Minato has access to any kunai he's placed across the shinobi world, and has kunai spread across the battlefield. His knowledge is general tales of Madara's legendary power so he knows to be wary, but...