He has the rinnegan. He can resist the power of the sharigan.
He needed the help of Bee and KCM Naruto just to beat Pain
They're not.
The speed section of Itachi's profile hasn't been touched in waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too long. It's actually Sick and Healthy, which isn't a thing anymore. So to make things less complicated, I'm just gonna equalize speed.
That was using outdated profile stats, and that was using Sick Itachi, this is P1 Itachi. Tbh that match should've been removed. It was already outdated when another Itachi vs Pain match was made where Itachi won, but that was removed when the profiles were updated, yet the Pain victory one which was even older wasn't. Sounds like someone might've ignored that.
Oh btw that's not allowed since no one has given valid reasoning for Itachi yet.
I could give no intel to either side. Though I don't think Pain knows everything about Itachi, just some of the basic stuff.
Itachi's taijutsu/shurikenjutsu is amazing, he can definitely take the Preta Path down without ninjutsu then use it, especially since the Paths are 7-B when all/most of them are out, and Itachi's basic attacks even with just the 3T Sharingan out are High 7-A, meaning he can casually one shot them without MS abilities until they're down to a few. Also considering SM Jiraiya casually kicked Pain's summon, and Itachi>MS Sasuke~SM Naruto>SM Jiraiya, he's not gonna have much trouble with them either. Also Shinra Tensei isn't getting past the Yata Mirror. And why would it push Itachi out of the Susanoo anyways? If anything, it should just push the Susanoo in general. You can actually argue that the Yata Mirror can be omnidirectional, as it's stated to be able to change every one of its properties to block incoming attacks, which would include size, and this is consistent as it seems to expand when blocking Orochimaru and Sasuke.
Considering Pain is the head of the Akatsuki, I imagine he'd have a very good understanding of Itachi's abilities.
The Pains are usually 7-B when they're far away from each other or when Pain's bodies aren't charged, such as when they were drained from using the Chaotic Shinra Tensei. Pain's not going to underestimate Itachi and will have all of the bodies fight together and near his main body, so they'd all be High 7-A.
No evidence that the Yata mirror is omnidirectional. Even if Itachi chooses to use the Susanoo, he can't stay in it very long, especially if he uses his other MS abilities. Pain could just spam attacks from afar and wait until Itachi's exhausted his chakra.
Also even if the Yata Mirror can't block all their attacks, Itachi can swing the Totsuka Blade in a circle to repel oncoming attacks. And while Pain's summoning Chibaku Tensei, Itachi could probably just stab him, making it a draw at worst, or stab the core of the CT.
Highly doubt that. It's pretty clear that the Mangekyo Sharingan's abilities are very taxing, and Itachi doesn't have the stamina reserves to use so many attacks repeatedly. He was only using the MS sharingan abilities so many times because he knew he was going to die, so he knew it didn't matter whether or not he fully lost his sight, and he was determined to help Sasuke. Sure, Itachi could withstand an extended fight against Sasuke while holding back, but Sasuke still pushed him rather hard and forced Itachi to use his more unique abilities to match him.
That's kind of a leap in logic, to say he knows his abilities just cause he leads him?
What does them being far away from each other have to do with anything? And no, before the CST they were considered 7-B, as Kakashi threatened the Deva and Asura Path, and Konohomaru injured the Naraka Path.
Changing every one of its properties is the evidence. And sure he can't stay in it long, but he doesn't need to, as it can easily overpower most of the Paths.
Why wouldn't that pull him along with the Susanoo? Also the Yata Mirror might stop that from affecting Itachi.
I was specifically talking about the animal summons that you said would be a problem. Also they didn't really "overpower" SM Naruto, except the Deva Path, and even that's kind of debatable, as he moreso used hax. And wdym stopped a Rasenshuriken?
Naruto was pushed back, but he wasn't really hurt, and even laughed at Pain for thinking he could hurt him, and Pain kinda implicitly agreed.
Yeah, and in this VS battle he'll do everything he can to win, so he will spam them if he has to. And what does Sasuke "pushing him" matter when like you said he was holding back, and was in a far worse condition than he is in this battle?
Sure I agree he has more stamina than Itachi, but Itachi's stamina still isn't bad or anything. It's enough to last for one battle when he's healthy.
They were only 7-B when they were far away from Nagato, but he will make sure to keep all of the Pains nearby to ensure they're at their strongest, that's my point.
What proof is there that he can easily overpower the Paths? Even three of the Paths together were enough to make SM Jiraiya admit they'd kill him, forcing him to resort to genjutsu to trap them. You're severely underestimating their coordination skills and ability to help one another and overestimating Itachi's ability to counter six opponents with comparable power all at once. Even Itachi's skills wouldn't be enough to withstand their combined assault.
He can use the Asura Path to fire multiple missiles or energy blasts from afar, and the Deva Path can use his Shinra Tensei or even Chaotic Shinra Tensei. As I said, he could also just take evasive maneuvers or wait for Itachi's stamina to run out, since he can't
If someone can latch onto the user, then they can be pulled out of the Susanoo. So if Nagato used a summons, like the chameleon summon to turn invisible, the chameleon could grab Itachi and pull him out, as another example.
During their battle, he used his Deva Path to stop a Rasenshuriken, then replicated the feat even after having just used his Chibaku Tensei. Again, keep in mind that most of the feats done by Pain during Konaha were after he'd just used his Chaotic Shinra Tensei and when his bodies were farther away, meaning his power should be greater than what he displayed back then.
This was a casual Shinra Tensei and also done with a weaker Deva Path who'd just used Shinra Tensei and was much farther away from Nagato's body, and despite that the Pains could still keep SM Naruto in a lock.Naruto was pushed back, but he wasn't really hurt, and even laughed at Pain for thinking he could hurt him, and Pain kinda implicitly agreed.
And Pain will just absorb the ninjutsu the way he does with most attacks. The Human Path could also just steal his soul, get Itachi in a grip-lock the way he did with SM Naruto and rip his soul out. He has so many more options and powers than Itachi does, and the Mangekyo Sharingan significantly limits his stamina.
Not if he has to keep spamming his MS abilities just to keep up with the Pains, which will eventually force him to deactivate the MS altogether, leaving him extremely vulnerable.
Well didnt want fight, is not make Jiraiya>Itachi
Did they become stronger when they fought in the crater? Naruto, who Itachi's stronger then, still one shot them, most of them with just basic attacks.
Because Susanoo>>Itachi>MS Sasuke~SM Naruto>Paths. And they have comparable power yes, but comparable weak power to a Susanoo. The Susanoo is pretty well suited to taking on multiple opponents at once with its all encompassing armor and wide sweeping attacks.
Random missles and energy blasts aren't powering through an Armored Susanoo. CST requires the other Paths going down and a pretty lengthy build up, during which Itachi could easily interrupt. And he's not gonna be able to keep away, as the Susanoo is super fast compared to its user.
??? You know that the fact that it's invisible doesn't mean it's intangible right? It's tongue isn't gonna pierce the Susanoo.
I don't even know if Nagato was closer to the Pains in the Rain Village than when he was in the Leaf Village. In both cases he was in a high area close to the battle.
Ok since the problem seems to be that you think Pain was much stronger in the RV even though there's really no evidence of that (Pain did better against SM Jiraiya than he did against SM Naruto, and Naruto>Jiraiya), I'm just gonna say he's as close to Pain as he was in the Leaf Village.
Preta seems to only be able to absorb ninjutsu through his hands, so Itachi could attack from the back or like I said before, use something else when he realizes ninjutsu isn't working. The Human Path is NEVER locking someone as slippery as Itachi. And is there even any evidence that The Human Path scales to The Preta Path?
Will only really need to against a few of the Paths tbh.
Against Sasuke, Itachi was able to use Tsukuyomi, Amaterasu twice (enough that it spread across the entire Uchiha hideout), and Susanoo for a few minutes, keeping the MS activated the whole battle which already drains a lot of stamina on its own, and this at his worst condition. He can most certainly use the MS more than a few times.
"And while Pain's summoning Chibaku Tensei, Itachi could probably just stab him, making it a draw at worst, or stab the core of the CT."
Like I said before, the speed section of his profile is all messed up, cause it should be P1 and P2, but instead it's ordered as Sick and Healthy, and Healthy Itachi was removed because he's theoretical, and there's no proof he's ~/>Edo Itachi as he could've been getting stronger through training while the sickness nerfed him, meaning Healthy Itachi is<Edo Itachi despite the Edo nerf.
Except Itachi predicted that the him and Kisame, working together, could only hope for a stalemate. At best.
Even at that time, he's considered stronger than when he fought Minato, and Minato considered that Obito a greater threat than Pain. Based on his ability as a shinobi, he concluded that he was just using Pain, meaning he's superior.
He felt the full force of a Shinra Tensei from FP Tendo. And was he barely trying? He used a preeeeetty big one.
No? He just ran away.
No, they pierced Base Naruto. SM Naruto easily destroyed those rods.
Still don't think that means Obito's AP is necessarily greater than Pain's, just his abilities.Even at that time, he's considered stronger than when he fought Minato, and Minato considered that Obito a greater threat than Pain. Based on his ability as a shinobi, he concluded that he was just using Pain, meaning he's superior.
Just because it was big doesn't necessarily mean it was full power: Nagato was undoubtedly holding back to test Orochimaru.He felt the full force of a Shinra Tensei from FP Tendo. And was he barely trying? He used a preeeeetty big one.
At least in the anime, he ran away and hid. In a battle, he'd likely hide to properly perform the technique.No? He just ran away.
We don't know that for certain, and he wouldn't need to make it larger against Itachi. I was just saying hypothetically.Considering that right after saying this, the CT fell apart and he admitted CT didn't work, it's probable that he was overestimating himself.
What? That doesn't make sense that the Totsuka Blade could just negate durability and destroy the core. There's no proof it has that power. If it did, then why didn't Itachi just let himself be sucked up and use the Totsuka Blade to destroy it himself when he fought Edo Nagato?
Well, he could still use them to paralyze Itachi regardless.No, they pierced Base Naruto. SM Naruto easily destroyed those rods.
I wasn't saying that either. Itachi>Obito>Pain isn't an AP scale, it's an overall ability scale.
Idk, the STs Pain used against Naruto and Kakashi didn't even seem to be that big. He might've just known Orochimaru could regen. It's not like he simply gave a light push to repel him, he pushed him hard enough that the lower half of his body morphed into white snakes after all.
Yeah but you see, Itachi isn't a mindless rampaging beast like Naruto is. He isn't just gonna let Pain hide. Obviously if he sees Pain try to hide or flee, he's gonna pursue him.
It literally does not have a physical form. Why would physical durability matter? And it having dura neg is consistent with the fact that Zetsu compared its attack to the Yata Mirror's infinite defense, and said it makes him invincible, and the databook also says the attack is perfect, can cut down ANY enemy, and that all attacks lose their meaning against the spirit weapons.
Idk about that, Itachi's more durable than the highest attack power we've seen from those rods. And anyways Pain's not tagging him with that when he has MS amped reaction speed.
valid vote with valid reasoning
Not a go to move in character, and the Totsuka Blade ignores durability so it could pierce the core. Idk if the fight would even get to that point tbh.
