Bijuu Mode Minato VS EMS Madara

[MinatoSparkle]

Alive with Kurama Minato VS VOTE Madara w/o Kurama

Minato: 0

Madara: 3

Inconclusive

Minato has access to any kunai he's placed across the shinobi world, and has kunai spread across the battlefield. His knowledge is general tales of Madara's legendary power so he knows to be wary, but nothing too specific. Madara knows Minato has FTG (but not all of of the ways Minato can use it, only to the extent that he has seen Tobirama use FTG), and that he has the moniker "The Yellow Flash." Mindset for both is in character. Speed is not equalized. Location is a random forest. Starting distance is 20m. Minato has mastered BM to the point that he can keep it active extensively, about as long as Bee can keep it activated. If Minato teleports away from the battlefield for an extended period of time it's a loss but if it's just to evade an attack and return it's not.

Speed and Versatility vs Power and Experience, who wins?

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

This should be moved to Fun & Games since Alive Minato with Kurama doesn't exist, which means this isn't getting added.

 

[Shadyboi0]

Hashirama=EMS Madara > KCM2 .

Why is this a fight?

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Hashirama=EMS Madara > KCM2 .

Why is this a fight?

And that's not even including the Perfect Susano'o which is stronger than Full Kurama at the time.

 

[Purgy]

Can't Minato technically use BSM and body Madara? He has both Sage Mode and KCM2 which is all that's required.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Can't Minato technically use BSM and body Madara? He has both Sage Mode and KCM2 which is all that's required.

He's never been shown combining those things, even with nothing stopping him from trying it since when he used Sage Mode he just kinda blinked and turned it on.

 

[MinatoSparkle]

This should be moved to Fun & Games since Alive Minato with Kurama doesn't exist, which means this isn't getting added.

I just mean without immortality since Madara doesn't have any sealing jutsu we know of. I could make it Edo but then it's an easy victory...Minato just straight up outlasts. He could literally just stand still in his base form and do nothing as Madara keeps destroying his body and when Madara runs out of stamina Minato goes in for the kill.

Hashirama=EMS Madara > KCM2 .

Why is this a fight?

Because BM Minato>BM Naruto, and it's not all about power

And that's not even including the Perfect Susano'o which is stronger than Full Kurama at the time.

I mean, there are ways around that. It's not like Madara goes straight into PS at the start of every fight. And if Minato manages to place a mark on Madara then the PS will be rendered nearly useless as Minato can just teleport inside of it. Plus if he doesn't, Minato doesn't have to engage the PS with his avatar in a headon fight. That's Naruto's style, not Minato's. He'll probably stick a kunai into the PS and use guiding thunder to redirect Madara's sword swing into his PS. Or he can just continously run/teleport away since he's faster, and while Madara's stamina is very high and he fought Hashirama for a long time, only a few minutes of that time was actually with the PS active, as he only activated it after Hashirama summoned his wood golem and when it was destroyed we didn't see him manifest it again. If Madara sees that Minato just continues to avoid his attacks, he'll probably get tired of the cat and mouse game and try a different strategy. Plus, can Madara's PS actually harm the Kurama avatar? It tanked the juubi laser when used by BM Naruto (who is weaker), and that's a 6-B attack, while Madara's PS is only Low 6-B.

Can't Minato technically use BSM and body Madara? He has both Sage Mode and KCM2 which is all that's required.

Probably. But idk if he would BODY Madara. He'd win for sure, but it'd be a fight.

 

[Shadyboi0]

Because BM Minato>BM Naruto, and it's not all about power

Do you think BM Minato > BSM Naruto?

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Do you think BM Minato > BSM Naruto?

No...but that doesn't have anything to do with the debate. EMS Madara doesn't have any feats superior to BSM Naruto. And even if he did, simple X>Y and Y>Z thus X>Z scaling doesn't work in a battle like this where the fighters' skillsets and fighting styles are so different. Like I said, that kind of scaling may work for someone like Naruto who often relies on raw power, but not Minato.

 

[Shadyboi0]

Madara via more experience, and susanoo.

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Madara via more experience, and susanoo.

I mean, there are ways around that. It's not like Madara goes straight into PS at the start of every fight. And if Minato manages to place a mark on Madara then the PS will be rendered nearly useless as Minato can just teleport inside of it. Plus if he doesn't, Minato doesn't have to engage the PS with his avatar in a headon fight. That's Naruto's style, not Minato's. He'll probably stick a kunai into the PS and use guiding thunder to redirect Madara's sword swing into his PS. Or he can just continously run/teleport away since he's faster, and while Madara's stamina is very high and he fought Hashirama for a long time, only a few minutes of that time was actually with the PS active, as he only activated it after Hashirama summoned his wood golem and when it was destroyed we didn't see him manifest it again. If Madara sees that Minato just continues to avoid his attacks, he'll probably get tired of the cat and mouse game and try a different strategy. Plus, can Madara's PS actually harm the Kurama avatar? It tanked the juubi laser when used by BM Naruto (who is weaker), and that's a 6-B attack, while Madara's PS is only Low 6-B.

 

[Shadyboi0]

BM Naruto (who is weaker), and that's a 6-B attack, while Madara's PS is only Low 6-B.

It was BSM that tanked it.

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

It was BSM that tanked it.

Nah, it was actually BM. It's on his profile atm.

 

[Shadyboi0]

Nah, it was actually BM. It's on his profile atm.

Do i need to go rewatch the war arc?

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Do i need to go rewatch the war arc?

mayb. Or just read scans.

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

Do i need to go rewatch the war arc?

I don't recommend it, it's bad for one's health.

 

[MinatoSparkle]

I don't recommend it, it's bad for one's health.

lol it's not that bad. Just inconsistent a lot.

On a different note who do you think would win?

 

[MinatoSparkle]

bump

 

[MinatoSparkle]

bumpity

 

[MinatoSparkle]

bijuubump

 

[MinatoSparkle]

ok well people don't seem to be drawing to this fight much so I'm gonna add some of my thoughts. This is a toughie, but I think Minato could win in a high diff battle. I already talked about how Minato would counter the PS, which also couldn't break his avatar state.

Besides that, he has the clear speed advantage. He's already a top tier in Base, then stack BM on top of that and he'll be blitzing around the battlefield like Guy was against Juubidara. He's more tactical, has more finesse in combat, and could take advantage of Madara's battle attitude to land an attack eventually when they've both stopped using their avatar state (no that was not an intentional ATLA reference although it was a fortunate mistake). I could also see Madara being like "Ha do you think the move Tobirama invented will be enough to stop me?" Then his smile drops as he discovers Minato has learned more ways to use FTG and uses it to wound or kill him.

 

[SuperGodzilla_Kaiju_King]

I feel like the OP is trying very hard to get Minato to win, it's actually outright fanfiction for him to master it to Bee's level while alive and already have a bunch of kunai around, but they're pretty futile efforts since he can't really do anything.
KCM Naruto got bodied numerous times by Edo Madara let alone alive so Minato isn't doing any better in that regard, Madara's got FAR superior stamina, he'd have a REALLY hard time sealing Madara given how powerful he is which presumes he catches him and Madara just sits there long enough for something like the Reaper Death Seal to work....which he wouldn't. Madara most likely wouldn't play games with Minato since he'd have no real reason to, he doesn't know the guy and Minato just uses things he's already seen before like the Flying Raijin and Minato's all about hacks so Madara wouldn't really have fun with him. The TSO reaction feat doesn't really disprove much of anything here since that was with Guy beating on Madara and the TSOs lose control/speed away from the user. There's also just the perfect Susano'o which is kinda just GG since it rivals/surpasses the full Kurama while also not being in a rabid rage and not thinking right via a genjutsu. And said Kurama needed to be suppressed for Minato to seal him, which the Susano'o blocks out. Minato's teleportation would let him zip around for awhile but you kinda need gold medal mental gymnastics to think Madara wouldn't catch on eventually. And he doesn't really have any other wincons.

 

[MinatoSparkle]

I feel like the OP is trying very hard to get Minato to win, it's actually outright fanfiction for him to master it to Bee's level while alive and already have a bunch of kunai around, but they're pretty futile efforts since he can't really do anything.
KCM Naruto got bodied numerous times by Edo Madara let alone alive so Minato isn't doing any better in that regard, Madara's got FAR superior stamina, he'd have a REALLY hard time sealing Madara given how powerful he is which presumes he catches him and Madara just sits there long enough for something like the Reaper Death Seal to work....which he wouldn't. Madara most likely wouldn't play games with Minato since he'd have no real reason to, he doesn't know the guy and Minato just uses things he's already seen before like the Flying Raijin and Minato's all about hacks so Madara wouldn't really have fun with him. The TSO reaction feat doesn't really disprove much of anything here since that was with Guy beating on Madara and the TSOs lose control/speed away from the user. There's also just the perfect Susano'o which is kinda just GG since it rivals/surpasses the full Kurama while also not being in a rabid rage and not thinking right via a genjutsu. And said Kurama needed to be suppressed for Minato to seal him, which the Susano'o blocks out. Minato's teleportation would let him zip around for awhile but you kinda need gold medal mental gymnastics to think Madara wouldn't catch on eventually. And he doesn't really have any other wincons.

I just don't want people to be like "Minato runs out of BM so Madara gg." And I gave Madara a pretty big advantage too. The element of surprise is a pretty big aspect of FTG's effectiveness, so him knowing about he has it beforehand gets rid of FTG blitz gg.

Equating Naruto to Minato is very false. Also does Madara have far superior stamina? All we know is that he fought Hashirama for a while. People always say it was 24 hours but I didn't find any proof of this. Even if it was true, most of that wasn't fought with their avatars, which takes up way more chakra than regular jutsu. The best stamina scaling for Madara is being comparable to Hashirama who said BM Naruto had almost as much chakra as him, and that was when he was drained, so it's really not that big a difference.

Minato wouldn't need to seal him as he's not an edo. Also Madara always plays fun and games. No reason to assume he wouldn't. He also didn't know Naruto, Bee, and Guy, or the Five Kage (other than Ohnoki) but he played with them.

Guy beating on Madara wouldn't make his TSO slower. And it wasn't nearly far away enough from Madara to slow down.

Did you read what I said about Madara not being really able to significantly damage the avatar though? Since Naruto (who's weaker than Minato) could tank this

Base Minato while heavily drained couldn't seal Kurama without assistance. With BM it's a different story. And he does have wincons

I mean, there are ways around that. It's not like Madara goes straight into PS at the start of every fight. And if Minato manages to place a mark on Madara then the PS will be rendered nearly useless as Minato can just teleport inside of it. Plus if he doesn't, Minato doesn't have to engage the PS with his avatar in a headon fight. That's Naruto's style, not Minato's. He'll probably stick a kunai into the PS and use guiding thunder to redirect Madara's sword swing into his PS. Or he can just continously run/teleport away since he's faster, and while Madara's stamina is very high and he fought Hashirama for a long time, only a few minutes of that time was actually with the PS active, as he only activated it after Hashirama summoned his wood golem and when it was destroyed we didn't see him manifest it again. If Madara sees that Minato just continues to avoid his attacks, he'll probably get tired of the cat and mouse game and try a different strategy. Plus, can Madara's PS actually harm the Kurama avatar? It tanked the juubi laser when used by BM Naruto (who is weaker), and that's a 6-B attack, while Madara's PS is only Low 6-B.

Besides that, he has the clear speed advantage. He's already a top tier in Base, then stack BM on top of that and he'll be blitzing around the battlefield like Guy was against Juubidara. He's more tactical, has more finesse in combat, and could take advantage of Madara's battle attitude to land an attack eventually when they've both stopped using their avatar state (no that was not an intentional ATLA reference although it was a fortunate mistake). I could also see Madara being like "Ha do you think the move Tobirama invented will be enough to stop me?" Then his smile drops as he discovers Minato has learned more ways to use FTG and uses it to wound or kill him.

Honestly Madara is pretty overrated and BM Minato underrated. BM Minato doesn't seem THAT impressive since most of his time in the war was in a dazed state. And just because Madara's PS is stronger than the BM avatar doesn't mean that's all there is to the battle. In a battle with brute force characters this might apply, but I believe I said this before. Minato is not a brute force fighter. He's a ninja.

 

[SuperGodzilla_Kaiju_King]

Boy oh boy ALL of that is wrong.

Yeah you're right. Naruto has better feats. And is stronger than Minato in base. And has a better bond with Kurama. Alive Madara>Edo Madara >>>BM Naruto>>BM Minato then.
Using the anime Madara and Hashirama fought for multiple hours at least, a full day isn't really supported but that's far more than Minato.
Naruto who also fought for numerous hours on end? Which Minato can't do? And that's edo Hashirama who has even less chakra?

Yeah he would, his AP sucks in comparison and he doesn't have many other options.

Because he didn't with Hashirama, Tobirama or anyone who really posed a threat? Madara knowing Minato has Tobirama's technique would make him care more than against Kage who suck and he literally called babies.

It does. Guy wasn't going full speed and they were pretty far away from Madara.

This is stupid for multiple reasons. LESS than HALF of Kurama's chakra let Naruto take that attack. The PS scales to the FULL Kurama meaning it's TWICE as strong and would also blatantly take that attack. This is further confirmed by just the full body one taking the Ten Tails' cataclysm explosion.

Heavily drained....by using the FTG, a contract seal and a couple Rasengans. No he doesn't.

Naruto's stronger than Minato, what are you talking about?

And? His hacks are worse and he has less potent offensive abilities. Madara's got better AP, resistances, durability AND hacks. Minato's AT BEST got better speed and only with teleportation....which Madara has seen MANY times before. What's Minato supposed to do? All he can do is try sealing him. Nothing else will work.

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Boy oh boy ALL of that is wrong.

Yeah you're right. Naruto has better feats. And is stronger than Minato in base. And has a better bond with Kurama. Alive Madara>Edo Madara >>>BM Naruto>>BM Minato then.
Using the anime Madara and Hashirama fought for multiple hours at least, a full day isn't really supported but that's far more than Minato.
Naruto who also fought for numerous hours on end? Which Minato can't do? And that's edo Hashirama who has even less chakra?

Yeah he would, his AP sucks in comparison and he doesn't have many other options.

Because he didn't with Hashirama, Tobirama or anyone who really posed a threat? Madara knowing Minato has Tobirama's technique would make him care more than against Kage who suck and he literally called babies.

It does. Guy wasn't going full speed and they were pretty far away from Madara.

This is stupid for multiple reasons. LESS than HALF of Kurama's chakra let Naruto take that attack. The PS scales to the FULL Kurama meaning it's TWICE as strong and would also blatantly take that attack. This is further confirmed by just the full body one taking the Ten Tails' cataclysm explosion.

Heavily drained....by using the FTG, a contract seal and a couple Rasengans. No he doesn't.

Naruto's stronger than Minato, what are you talking about?

And? His hacks are worse and he has less potent offensive abilities. Madara's got better AP, resistances, durability AND hacks. Minato's AT BEST got better speed and only with teleportation....which Madara has seen MANY times before. What's Minato supposed to do? All he can do is try sealing him. Nothing else will work.

How does having a better bond mean he's stronger? Minato's BM didn't perform worse at all compared to Naruto.

It was pitch black at night at the start and end of their fight in the manga, so there's no evidence of a huge time gap.

Most of Naruto and Minato's chakra comes from Kurama so they're comparable. And edo Hashirama has even more chakra if anything. Take Itachi for example. He spammed MS techs as an edo without any noteable drain.

His AP is half Madara's PS, but greater when they're both in humaoid form. And he has many options. He has so much variety with FTG.

He said "Let's keeping dancing!" to Hashirama. Implies playing around. And he was infuriated at Tobirama for killing Izuna so that makes sense. He also said the kage were quite impressive but still didn't end it.

It was his 5th sekizo so it would be even FASTER and stronger if anything. And they were close.

Like 5 meters at most.

Just because Madara's Madara's AP ~ Kurama doesn't mean the same is true for durability as Kurama's durability is much greater than his AP. Also fodder shinobi with cloaks and KCM1 Naruto also survived the ten tails cataclysm so that doesn't prove anything.

He used a lot more than that. He supressed Kurama's chakra during childbirth, used FTG 10 times, used FTG guiding thunder which takes a lot of chakra, a rasengan, a bijuu level contract seal, summoned Gamabunta that Naruto who could make 1000 clones couldn't do alone, transported Kurama which in his own words takes a lot of chakra, made a barrier neither Kurama nor Hiruzen could break

and after all that he could still seal Kurama with some assistance. So at full power and with BM, he'd absolutely be able to seal Kurama or Madara. Probably with even a normal sealing jutsu.

That is based on a statement referring to chakra transferal skill, and BM Naruto, not Base Naruto.

No, Minato has better durability scaling, hax (what hax does Madara even have? Base genjutsu?), versatility, intelligence, speed both normally and with teleportation, and has a better mindset for battle. What does resistance even mean?

 

[SuperGodzilla_Kaiju_King]

If you're appealing to the page, base Naruto>base Minato so BM Naruto>BM Minato. And it's a well known fact that the more Kurama bonds with Naruto the stronger they get. That was stated during their first bond.

You do know the night lasts at least 8 hours right? That's a lot of time.

Itachi the Uchiha with ridiculously bad stamina, a chakra eating disease and who had already abused the Sharingan!? How does that mean Hashirama had more chakra?

Chakra amps all stats so I dunno what you mean. If the PS>=100% Kurama, why would an exhausted 50% Kurama have more durability? Madara would literally SCALE. Alive blind Madara also took hits from all the Bijuu so yeah there's that too.

Not really, he fought Hashirama to the death at full power MANY times.

6th gate Lee threw the Kunai, which got in front of Guy. So does Lee scale to Juubidara too!? Or....outlier. Furthermore, Minato considered Guy's speed to be inhuman while Madara could react to him. And that's Sage Mode which has better reactions than BM.

Madara was much closer to the epicenter and Naruto used the chakra of all the tailed beasts to defend them and himself. And again that was just with the armored Susano'o, not the Perfect.

Still sounds like garbage stamina in comparison.

No he doesn't. He scales to less than half of Madara and so durability would be the same. Base Madara is over ten times base Minato, plus 2x the Kurama amp at full power. All the crap on his profile, which is a lot more than Minato has. How does Minato have better versatility? Precog? Clones? All the nature types Madara has?! He has three tricks. Good tricks, but three tricks. Normally? Madara blitzes really bad. Teleportation depends on a very clear OUTLIER. "Better mindset for battle" what does that even mean? He's known everything Minato's got up his sleeve for decades.

 

[MinatoSparkle]

If you're appealing to the page, base Naruto>base Minato so BM Naruto>BM Minato. And it's a well known fact that the more Kurama bonds with Naruto the stronger they get. That was stated during their first bond.

You do know the night lasts at least 8 hours right? That's a lot of time.

Itachi the Uchiha with ridiculously bad stamina, a chakra eating disease and who had already abused the Sharingan!? How does that mean Hashirama had more chakra?

Chakra amps all stats so I dunno what you mean. If the PS>=100% Kurama, why would an exhausted 50% Kurama have more durability? Madara would literally SCALE. Alive blind Madara also took hits from all the Bijuu so yeah there's that too.

Not really, he fought Hashirama to the death at full power MANY times.

6th gate Lee threw the Kunai, which got in front of Guy. So does Lee scale to Juubidara too!? Or....outlier. Furthermore, Minato considered Guy's speed to be inhuman while Madara could react to him. And that's Sage Mode which has better reactions than BM.

Madara was much closer to the epicenter and Naruto used the chakra of all the tailed beasts to defend them and himself. And again that was just with the armored Susano'o, not the Perfect.

Still sounds like garbage stamina in comparison.

No he doesn't. He scales to less than half of Madara and so durability would be the same. Base Madara is over ten times base Minato, plus 2x the Kurama amp at full power. All the crap on his profile, which is a lot more than Minato has. How does Minato have better versatility? Precog? Clones? All the nature types Madara has?! He has three tricks. Good tricks, but three tricks. Normally? Madara blitzes really bad. Teleportation depends on a very clear OUTLIER. "Better mindset for battle" what does that even mean? He's known everything Minato's got up his sleeve for decades.

That is based on this statement.

Which neither refers to power nor Base Naruto. And when was it stated? Show me a scan.

Yeah but the darkness of it doesn't stay the same the whole 8 hours. It's possible it was a few hours, but it's headcanon to just assume that.

Because Itachi while alive would not be able to do nearly as much as that, showing edos have more chakra. Also if YOU'RE appealing to this site, it lists edos chakra as nigh unlimited.

That's not how it works. Different things have different properties. Just because Early Shippuden naruto had 4x more chakra than Kakashi doesn't mean his AP was 4x higher. And Blind Madara only tanked hits from the Bijuu with SM, which is a massive amp to durability. EMS Madara only has High 7-A durability.

Yeah and?

Classic argument I've seen before. That's not nearly as impressive and requires far less precision because he could see them approaching each other from a fair distance away and Minato even said "Great timing Lee," which implies luck involved, because Lee knew generally when to threw but could've been slightly off. But for Minato he had to teleport at the EXACT moment they touched him and not a moment later or sooner or they would've hit Guy/blown up.

Minato never called Guy's speed inhuman. That was Gaara.

If anything, Minato didn't seem that impressed. There was no exclamation marks, just a calm ... There was never any surprised expression either. 7th Gate Guy isn't Minato level.

Who says Madara was much closer to the epicenter? And who says that makes it stronger? Besides Naruto was pretty close to the center too. It's not an antifeat, but it's far too vague and subjective to be considered a solid durability feat, as even Base Madara's durablity is considered High 7-A, which is as much as KCM Naruto. And what proof is there that Naruto used all the tailed beasts chakra? He didn't start doing that until he entered SPSM.

Is it really? The chakra necessary for most of that stuff is pretty unknown, so it's hard to say how much chakra he has exactly. But it's definitely extremely high compared to an average shinobi, and he has half of Kurama's chakra too.

The PS has no durability feats beyond Low 6-B, and his page only considers his durability Low 6-B, so you're gonna have to definitively prove his durability is 6-B because "being stronger than BM" isn't nearly enough. Kurama is more durable than strong. But there's no proof the same is true of the PS.

Base Minato is irrelevant since we're not talking about him. Human form BM Minato is stronger than Human form Madara, that's the point I was making. Which matters since if they engage in cqc and Minato places a mark on him that's gonna be a massive advantage.

Madara has a lot of abilities on his profiles, but number of abilities doesn't equal amount of hax. And does Madara have more than Minato? Madara only has access to abilities he has in one massive key, while Minato has access to abilities from 4 of his keys. Either way, when I'm referring to versatility I'm not referring to just number of abilities either, I mean the different ways Minato can use his arsenal for the victory, as Madara in character doesn't fight in as creative a way as Minato. I'm mostly referring to FTG just because of how versatile that is.

Um....Madara blitzes Minato really bad? I think you got the order mixed up. BM Minato>>Minato>Tobirama>Madara. Is this about Tobirama's shadow clone "blitzing" BM Minato and you thinking Madara is almost as fast as him? Because seriously, when will people remember that Minato. Was. Dazed. Besides, you objectively can't use that to say Tobirama is faster than Minato since just before, Minato showed he had a faster shunshin than Tobirama and Tobirama used shunshin to get to the TSO. I expect a reply like "WHAT!? Of course he used FTG!" But how would he? There was no marking at the spot where the TSO was exploding. He only placed a marker on Minato after this. His closest marking was on Obito, who was fairly far away, so no matter what, Tobirama did have to use shunshin to get to the TSO. And he runs slower than Minato.

And better mindset for battle means Minato tries to go for the kill right from the start (he's basically in character bloodlusted), while Madara tends to test out his opponents first and is rather casual. Despite you saying otherwise, he has clearly shown this on many occasions. Like I said, the five kage, BM Naruto (this is the best example, since Minato has the same power but Madara didn't fight that seriously against Naruto), Bee, Guy, Edo Hashirama, to an extent against Six Paths Naruto and Sasuke, the Bijuu, etc.

Why do you think Madara knows everything Minato has up his sleeve? He doesn't. Especially not his SM or BM powers.

 

[Fastestthingalive50]

Hashirama=EMS Madara > KCM2 .

Why is this a fight?

I don't wanna be that guy, but it's not really =.

 

[MinatoSparkle]

I don't wanna be that guy, but it's not really =.

Oh yeah.

 

[MinatoSparkle]

bump

 

[SuperGodzilla_Kaiju_King]

I'm not gonna deal with all that stupidity cause it's all blatantly wrong. Waste someone else's time.

 

[MinatoSparkle]

I'm not gonna deal with all that stupidity cause it's all blatantly wrong. Waste someone else's time.

Says the person who legit thinks Base Naruto>Minato. Who also says Madara would blitz the BM amped Yellow Flash.

 

[MinatoSparkle]

bump

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Bump, and I think I've realized that the PS is even more of a non factor than I thought. It's very possible that he wouldn't even need a mark on Madara to get past it. He could just touch the PS and teleport it away, leaving Madara defenseless. Alternatively he could mark the PS and then teleport into it on the other side then summon the Avatar, blowing up the PS from the inside, or just jump up to Madara and attack him.