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Currently, KCM Minato is accepted as scaling to KCM2 Naruto, and the reasoning for such is as follows.
"Equal in strength to Kurama Mode Naruto, as he has the other half of Kurama’s power. When he lent some of his chakra to Naruto, the Kyuubi cloaks were noted to be bigger and stronger than ever before. KSM Naruto and Kurama Mode Minato were able to destroy Juubito's Chakra Arms and crack his TSO shield with their combined attack, but it is unclear if Naruto's Senjutsu chakra enhanced Minato beyond his regular capabilities or not. Additionally, he should only be as strong as BM Naruto, since Naruto is confirmed to have better control over Kurama's chakra"
Before I get to why KCM Minato is definitely above KCM2 and should be BSM level, let me talk about why the current justification shouldn't be used to hold Minato back at all.
With those debunks sorted, what supports that KCM Minato is relative to BSM Naruto? Well it's quite simple. They just attack in tandem, ramming their Rasengan into Juubito's chakra arms with comparable force, given that the lines indicating pushing all across the Rasengan and KA arms are very uniform and without a particular difference on the left side versus the right side, meaning that it's being done in sync. Additionally, when they're blown away by the explosion of the Rasengan, they're sent flying just as far and Minato's Avatar seems to have deformed about as much as Naruto's, if not less so as his isn't flickering. All in line with Minato being a powerful support to Naruto, meaning he should at least be close in strength (and I know 98 TT is close to 100 TT, but Naruto's only rated as such because he can't quantifiably be placed higher; he's much stronger than KCM2 Naruto given how much a boost Sage Mode provides, unlike when compared to KCM Minato).
In addition, Minato has individual feats supporting him being on this level. Even when mentally nerfed, he and his clone withstood a kick from Unstable Juubito who scales to 196.7 Teratons, which is especially impressive since clones (even with a mode amping them) consistently go down in one hit that breaches their durability, yet this clone remained active until Juubito blew it up with a TSO. In his team attack with BSM Naruto, he slapped away Stable Juubito's chakra arms, which obviously doesn't mean he's AS strong as Juubito, but is more evidence of him downscaling to baseline High 6-B like Naruto, especially since we know these aren't a weak jutsu by any means. Chakra arms from a weaker Juubito easily shattered Hashirama's Deity Gates (when not even properly formed) and the Four Crimson Rays Formation (albeit with more arms than what Minato countered, but still pretty insane).
With all that covered, this is my revision suggestion updated after staff input (I added speed and LS since KCM Minato is pretty much in a scaling vacuum, so him being upgraded doesn't really affect anyone else, but I'm fine with leaving it if staff say I should wait for those revisions. Will add references when adding to the profile).
Agree: Robo432343, Padaruyos, speedster352, Arkenis, Golden_Void, Tdjwo, Stryker861, Apollonir.Scale, possibly: Giannysmag, SlendVeny, HelloThere1089, Nierre
Disagree: Arc7Kuroi, Spectra_Schiffer
Neutral: Naeblish495, DavidTPPM (is fine with possibly or likely), LifeRiderthe1 (agrees with the chakra point)
"Equal in strength to Kurama Mode Naruto, as he has the other half of Kurama’s power. When he lent some of his chakra to Naruto, the Kyuubi cloaks were noted to be bigger and stronger than ever before. KSM Naruto and Kurama Mode Minato were able to destroy Juubito's Chakra Arms and crack his TSO shield with their combined attack, but it is unclear if Naruto's Senjutsu chakra enhanced Minato beyond his regular capabilities or not. Additionally, he should only be as strong as BM Naruto, since Naruto is confirmed to have better control over Kurama's chakra"
Before I get to why KCM Minato is definitely above KCM2 and should be BSM level, let me talk about why the current justification shouldn't be used to hold Minato back at all.
"Equal in strength to Kurama Mode Naruto, as he has the other half of Kurama’s power."
The fact that they have the same amount of chakra amping them does not mean they're comparable amps linearly. Chakra volume isn't the only factor in strength, manipulation matters too, and as we see with the Juubi, you can be more than the sum of your parts, and this power of chakra combination applies to even a mindless monster, letalone someone with high intelligence and chakra control like Minato. An obvious example from around this point in the story is Sasuke. Both his Senjutsu Susanoo and Perfect Susanoo are comparable to BSM Naruto, with the only difference other than stage being that Jugo amped Sasuke in the former situation. Obviously Jugo's power is a literal speck to BSM Naruto, so if the mix didn't provide a Susanoo greater than the sum of its parts, the Perfect Susanoo would logically be much stronger than SEMS Sasuke and thus BSM Naruto, but it's not presented as such.
There's also evidence that KCM specifically is a nonlinear boost as it's a significant amp for even Six Paths Naruto, allowing him to fight 2E Juubidara when he previously couldn't overwhelm injured Pre-God Tree Juubidara physically, a difference vastly greater than what would be provided by 50% Kurama's base power plus a little chakra from the other Bijuu. If it was an amp determined by your base strength, there's absolutely no problem with KCM Minato~BSM Naruto. Alive Minato would just have to be above WA SM Naruto, which he definitely is, as Minato~/>V2 Ay>V1 Ay~KCM Naruto>SM Naruto. Not saying it is a multiplier, just putting it out there that it would explain the difference.
The fact that they have the same amount of chakra amping them does not mean they're comparable amps linearly. Chakra volume isn't the only factor in strength, manipulation matters too, and as we see with the Juubi, you can be more than the sum of your parts, and this power of chakra combination applies to even a mindless monster, letalone someone with high intelligence and chakra control like Minato. An obvious example from around this point in the story is Sasuke. Both his Senjutsu Susanoo and Perfect Susanoo are comparable to BSM Naruto, with the only difference other than stage being that Jugo amped Sasuke in the former situation. Obviously Jugo's power is a literal speck to BSM Naruto, so if the mix didn't provide a Susanoo greater than the sum of its parts, the Perfect Susanoo would logically be much stronger than SEMS Sasuke and thus BSM Naruto, but it's not presented as such.
There's also evidence that KCM specifically is a nonlinear boost as it's a significant amp for even Six Paths Naruto, allowing him to fight 2E Juubidara when he previously couldn't overwhelm injured Pre-God Tree Juubidara physically, a difference vastly greater than what would be provided by 50% Kurama's base power plus a little chakra from the other Bijuu. If it was an amp determined by your base strength, there's absolutely no problem with KCM Minato~BSM Naruto. Alive Minato would just have to be above WA SM Naruto, which he definitely is, as Minato~/>V2 Ay>V1 Ay~KCM Naruto>SM Naruto. Not saying it is a multiplier, just putting it out there that it would explain the difference.
"When he lent some of his chakra to Naruto, the Kyuubi cloaks were noted to be bigger and stronger than ever before."
First of all, this is obviously not an antifeat for Minato, but more importantly it's actually somewhat implicative that Minato is stronger than Naruto, as he'd already lost KCM at this point, and needed chakra from Minato's half of Kurama to return. So the cloaks were mostly powered by Minato's chakra, yet were notably stronger than when KCM2 Naruto powered them.
First of all, this is obviously not an antifeat for Minato, but more importantly it's actually somewhat implicative that Minato is stronger than Naruto, as he'd already lost KCM at this point, and needed chakra from Minato's half of Kurama to return. So the cloaks were mostly powered by Minato's chakra, yet were notably stronger than when KCM2 Naruto powered them.
"KSM Naruto and Kurama Mode Minato were able to destroy Juubito's Chakra Arms and crack his TSO shield with their combined attack, but it is unclear if Naruto's Senjutsu chakra enhanced Minato beyond his regular capabilities or not."
That statement is completely baseless and untrue. Naruto only adds chakra to the Rasengan, giving it senjutsu, not Minato's Kurama Avatar.
That statement is completely baseless and untrue. Naruto only adds chakra to the Rasengan, giving it senjutsu, not Minato's Kurama Avatar.
"Additionally, he should only be as strong as BM Naruto, since Naruto is confirmed to have better control over Kurama's chakra"
This isn't even in reference to KCM Minato, who hadn't appeared yet. Kurama said that Naruto is better at transferring chakra, which isn't the same as using chakra to amp yourself. Both are related to chakra control, but aren't identical. It's like using a statement that someone has faster hand sign weaving than someone else to say they're also faster at running. Both are related to speed, but different skills are used for the different actions.
This isn't even in reference to KCM Minato, who hadn't appeared yet. Kurama said that Naruto is better at transferring chakra, which isn't the same as using chakra to amp yourself. Both are related to chakra control, but aren't identical. It's like using a statement that someone has faster hand sign weaving than someone else to say they're also faster at running. Both are related to speed, but different skills are used for the different actions.
With those debunks sorted, what supports that KCM Minato is relative to BSM Naruto? Well it's quite simple. They just attack in tandem, ramming their Rasengan into Juubito's chakra arms with comparable force, given that the lines indicating pushing all across the Rasengan and KA arms are very uniform and without a particular difference on the left side versus the right side, meaning that it's being done in sync. Additionally, when they're blown away by the explosion of the Rasengan, they're sent flying just as far and Minato's Avatar seems to have deformed about as much as Naruto's, if not less so as his isn't flickering. All in line with Minato being a powerful support to Naruto, meaning he should at least be close in strength (and I know 98 TT is close to 100 TT, but Naruto's only rated as such because he can't quantifiably be placed higher; he's much stronger than KCM2 Naruto given how much a boost Sage Mode provides, unlike when compared to KCM Minato).
In addition, Minato has individual feats supporting him being on this level. Even when mentally nerfed, he and his clone withstood a kick from Unstable Juubito who scales to 196.7 Teratons, which is especially impressive since clones (even with a mode amping them) consistently go down in one hit that breaches their durability, yet this clone remained active until Juubito blew it up with a TSO. In his team attack with BSM Naruto, he slapped away Stable Juubito's chakra arms, which obviously doesn't mean he's AS strong as Juubito, but is more evidence of him downscaling to baseline High 6-B like Naruto, especially since we know these aren't a weak jutsu by any means. Chakra arms from a weaker Juubito easily shattered Hashirama's Deity Gates (when not even properly formed) and the Four Crimson Rays Formation (albeit with more arms than what Minato countered, but still pretty insane).
With all that covered, this is my revision suggestion updated after staff input (I added speed and LS since KCM Minato is pretty much in a scaling vacuum, so him being upgraded doesn't really affect anyone else, but I'm fine with leaving it if staff say I should wait for those revisions. Will add references when adding to the profile).
Attack Potency: At least Country level+ with Kurama Mode (Should be comparable in strength to Kurama Mode Naruto, as he has the other half of Kurama’s power.[46] Additionally, he should only be as strong as BM Naruto, since Naruto is confirmed to have better control over Kurama's chakra[49][50][Note 3]), possibly Large Country level (Fought in tandem with Kurama Sage Mode Naruto to repel and destroy Juubito's Chakra Arms, as well as crack his TSO shield, and was called a powerful support to Naruto[48]. When he lent some of his chakra to Naruto, the Kyuubi cloaks were noted to be bigger and stronger than ever before despite Naruto needing chakra from Minato to even enter Kurama Mode[47]. However, it's unclear how much of Kurama's power Naruto had at this point)
Speed: At least Sub-Relativistic...far higher with Kurama Mode (Fought in tandem with Kurama Sage Mode Naruto and countered Juubito's Chakra Arms. He and his clone reacted to Unstable Juubito's kicks)
Lifting Strength: At least Class G (Should be comparable to Kurama Mode Naruto), possibly higher (Might be comparable to Kurama Sage Mode Naruto)
Striking Strength: At least Country level+ with Kurama Mode (Should be comparable to Kurama Mode Naruto), possibly Large Country level (Might be comparable to Kurama Sage Mode Naruto and repelled Juubito's Chakra Arms)
Durability: At least Country level+, possibly Large Country level with Kurama Mode (Comparable to his striking strength. Tanked the explosion caused by his and Kurama Sage Mode Naruto's combined Rasengan. He and his clone withstood Unstable Juubito's kicks)
Speed: At least Sub-Relativistic...far higher with Kurama Mode (Fought in tandem with Kurama Sage Mode Naruto and countered Juubito's Chakra Arms. He and his clone reacted to Unstable Juubito's kicks)
Lifting Strength: At least Class G (Should be comparable to Kurama Mode Naruto), possibly higher (Might be comparable to Kurama Sage Mode Naruto)
Striking Strength: At least Country level+ with Kurama Mode (Should be comparable to Kurama Mode Naruto), possibly Large Country level (Might be comparable to Kurama Sage Mode Naruto and repelled Juubito's Chakra Arms)
Durability: At least Country level+, possibly Large Country level with Kurama Mode (Comparable to his striking strength. Tanked the explosion caused by his and Kurama Sage Mode Naruto's combined Rasengan. He and his clone withstood Unstable Juubito's kicks)
Agree: Robo432343, Padaruyos, speedster352, Arkenis, Golden_Void, Tdjwo, Stryker861, Apollonir.Scale, possibly: Giannysmag, SlendVeny, HelloThere1089, Nierre
Disagree: Arc7Kuroi, Spectra_Schiffer
Neutral: Naeblish495, DavidTPPM (is fine with possibly or likely), LifeRiderthe1 (agrees with the chakra point)
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