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Before I get into any of the scaling, I wanna make a note about FKS backscaling from the WA, which I'll be countering a lot of. The most common response to this is that there were only a few days/weeks between the FKS and the war so characters shouldn't have gotten that much stronger. And that is true, and without sufficient evidence it doesn't make sense to assume characters got a lot stronger. But in the WA, a large number of characters power cliffed, from Kakashi becoming an absolute god who could spam Kamui and other jutsu to Guy being able to destroy Madara's Humanoid Susanoo to Mei matching Edo Madara's fire style who's superior to Edo Tobirama who's superior to EMS Sasuke who's superior to MS Sasuke who was more of a rival to FKS Mei, etc. There's a ton more examples, many of which I'll be going into here. The fact that WA scaling for many characters contradicts their FKS counterpart necessitates that they did indeed get stronger or it's just an inconsistency. And if there exist two explanations, while one leads to everything being consistent compared to another that's just an excuse more than anything, the former would obviously take precedence. To backscale FKS characters to their WA counterparts, you also have to prove they didn't get stronger, despite being in preparation for a literal war. It's the burden of proof of the person arguing FKS X~WA X, and you really can't prove they did or didn't get stronger considering Shonen powercliffing, which is why the concept of backscaling that's done a lot on this wiki is just not that good. A very popular example of why backscaling is iffy especially to the WA is with Ay. V1 Ay matched if not outsped/overpowered KCM Naruto, meanwhile 3T FKS Sasuke was matching and reacting to him just fine. So is MS Sasuke way stronger than KCM Naruto? No, Ay just got stronger. With that note out of the way, onto the meat of the revision.
Wonder if this'll flop like the others...
- It was stated by Suigetsu that they had only just surpassed their mentors, which possibly means Suigetsu and Jugo also surpassed Orochimaru, which I suppose is fine since Suigetsu could damage Guruguru Yamato who was stalemating the ninja alliance. Sasuke just surpassing Orochimaru would likely be referring to Skeletal Susanoo Sasuke as that's the last version of Sasuke that Suigetsu saw fighting.
- If not him, it should at least be referring to Base MS Sasuke surpassing him. Cause Suigetsu should know FKS Sasuke's 3T strength, as he saw that before the summit when fighting Obito, so it wouldn't have been "only now" that Sasuke surpassed Orochimaru. Plus, another thing that supports Orochimaru being on MS Sasuke's tier instead of being totally surpassed is that Suigetsu was very worried about Orochimaru's return despite knowing all about Susanoo and Amaterasu and the MS in general.
- A counterargument to this is that Blind Sasuke was relative to FKS Base Naruto, who's superior to Base Sannin level. But there's two things to keep in mind here. One, there was poison in Naruto's body at this point. And two, Sasuke was getting massively stronger throughout the FKS arc as he received hatred amps. So Base Post Danzo fight Sasuke being stronger than Orochimaru doesn't contradict FKS MS Sasuke being relative. I propose that Sasuke gets At least 7-B at the beginning of the summit, 7-A by the end of the Danzo fight via hatred amps (I'll discuss why 7-A shortly).
- If not him, it should at least be referring to Base MS Sasuke surpassing him. Cause Suigetsu should know FKS Sasuke's 3T strength, as he saw that before the summit when fighting Obito, so it wouldn't have been "only now" that Sasuke surpassed Orochimaru. Plus, another thing that supports Orochimaru being on MS Sasuke's tier instead of being totally surpassed is that Suigetsu was very worried about Orochimaru's return despite knowing all about Susanoo and Amaterasu and the MS in general.
- A counterargument to this is that Blind Sasuke was relative to FKS Base Naruto, who's superior to Base Sannin level. But there's two things to keep in mind here. One, there was poison in Naruto's body at this point. And two, Sasuke was getting massively stronger throughout the FKS arc as he received hatred amps. So Base Post Danzo fight Sasuke being stronger than Orochimaru doesn't contradict FKS MS Sasuke being relative. I propose that Sasuke gets At least 7-B at the beginning of the summit, 7-A by the end of the Danzo fight via hatred amps (I'll discuss why 7-A shortly).
- At a lowball, Orochimaru~>3T FKS Sasuke, and with the Chidori (a pretty standard part of his arsenal, so it should be counted in Suigetsu's assessment of Sasuke), 3T Sasuke's able to damage V1 Ay. So V1 Ay and people relative to him should be at most Sannin tier. I know V1 Ay later knocked back KCM Naruto a bunch, but that just upscales WA Ay. FKS Ay should be Sannin level in V1 and significantly above in V2, and V1 WA Ay should be KCM level. This also means Fused Kisame and V1/V2 Bee are 7-A pre-WA via Bee having relative AP to V1 Ay in V1, and Ay damaging the Ribcage Susanoo that could tank Gaara's sand attacks.
- Base WA Ay's durability should be At least 7-A, possibly high 7-A for taking less damage from the LS transportation than Tsunade.
-FKS Kakashi is 7-A via catching Sasuke's Chidori arm, and knocking him around, at times without even having the Sharingan out. This is considered an antifeat for Kakashi and a feat for Sasuke for some reason, because apparently Sasuke took "no damage." But how often do attacks from relative characters hurt you when you block the attack? I'll tell you. Hardly ever. Plus, despite Sasuke blocking, Sasuke's expression still seems pained. If anything, he should be 7-A+ with Sharingan, MS, and Raikiri for being eternal rivals with Guy, who's 5 times stronger with the Gates via the accepted 5x multiplier. If you don't think Base Guy is 7-A and only reaches Kakashi's level with the Gates, then just look at him knocking away Kisame and slightly hurting him in Base, who could temporarily stalemate Guy's Hirudora and survive the direct explosion, albeit with a lot of damage (that sounds like a High 7-A+ feat I know, I'll explain it soon). That's not something a 7-B could do. As for Kakashi in the WA, I think he's High 7-A+, but that's a discussion for another time cause that's too complicated to get into and better deserves it's own CRT.
-Base Kisame's durability should downscale from the V2 Lariat since it didn't completely break his torso, and that Lariat is significantly above baseline 7-A. So At least 7-B durability. WA Kisame should be 7-A+ though, downscaling from 7th Gate Guy. Why not High 7-A+ you ask? Well, because KCM Naruto heavily injured him with a single punch. Guy got much stronger throughout the war. So why is it even a 7-A+ feat? Because Guy is eternal rivals with Kakashi. Proof for Guy getting stronger throughout the series is 30% Kisame previously manhandling Base Guy, whereas Base WA Guy knocked away a much stronger 100% Kisame and slightly damaged him.
- Gaara should be 7-A (in his new FKS key that should exist) via being able to knock back Base MS Sasuke and hold back his attacks, as well as pressure him into using the Susanoo, and blocking V2 Ay's kick which could break the Ribcage Susanoo (and upscaling from BoS ofc).
- Susanoo Sasuke's durability should scale to Gaara, as he blocked Gaara's attacks with it. Base MS Sasuke should also just be 7-A since his Chidori amped blade could pierce through Gaara's sand, and he could temporarily withstand Gaara's sand burial before needing to use the Ribcage.
-FKS Naruto and DF Sasuke were implied to be equal. This isn't referring to their base forms, as they saw each other's true strengths during their clash. This is obvious with how Naruto said "It's all clear," after trading blows with Sasuke. This is supported by Naruto saying he needed Nine Tails' chakra to fight him. Which would mean some form of MS Sasuke is probably High 7-A. I'd say most likely with the Humanoid Susanoo, which upscales Danzo (or more accurately, keeps him the same)
- While PA/FKS SM Naruto should keep his current rating, WA SM Naruto should get At least High 7-A because his Rasengan could dent the 3rd Raikage and push away his arm even if he didn't do much damage.
- FKS Mei is 7-A for melting the Susanoo. And her WA self might be physically High 7-A, considering she kicked back Zetsu who could hold and temporarily restrain KCM Naruto, and he fought Mei after being kicked back, who obviously used ninjutsu at some point. "Oh, but Zetsu is fodder, he got cut in half by Chojuro!" Except that's not really an antifeat considering it was offguard and WA Chojuro>FKS Chojuro, who could push back Sasuke's Susanoo. Obviously MS Sasuke's Ribcage Susanoo is nowhere near Edo Madara or KCM Naruto level (at least when I'm finished with things
), but it does show Chojuro and by extension Zetsu are not fodder, especially since Chojuro grew his sword massively to cut Zetsu.
- Base WA Ay's durability should be At least 7-A, possibly high 7-A for taking less damage from the LS transportation than Tsunade.
-FKS Kakashi is 7-A via catching Sasuke's Chidori arm, and knocking him around, at times without even having the Sharingan out. This is considered an antifeat for Kakashi and a feat for Sasuke for some reason, because apparently Sasuke took "no damage." But how often do attacks from relative characters hurt you when you block the attack? I'll tell you. Hardly ever. Plus, despite Sasuke blocking, Sasuke's expression still seems pained. If anything, he should be 7-A+ with Sharingan, MS, and Raikiri for being eternal rivals with Guy, who's 5 times stronger with the Gates via the accepted 5x multiplier. If you don't think Base Guy is 7-A and only reaches Kakashi's level with the Gates, then just look at him knocking away Kisame and slightly hurting him in Base, who could temporarily stalemate Guy's Hirudora and survive the direct explosion, albeit with a lot of damage (that sounds like a High 7-A+ feat I know, I'll explain it soon). That's not something a 7-B could do. As for Kakashi in the WA, I think he's High 7-A+, but that's a discussion for another time cause that's too complicated to get into and better deserves it's own CRT.
-Base Kisame's durability should downscale from the V2 Lariat since it didn't completely break his torso, and that Lariat is significantly above baseline 7-A. So At least 7-B durability. WA Kisame should be 7-A+ though, downscaling from 7th Gate Guy. Why not High 7-A+ you ask? Well, because KCM Naruto heavily injured him with a single punch. Guy got much stronger throughout the war. So why is it even a 7-A+ feat? Because Guy is eternal rivals with Kakashi. Proof for Guy getting stronger throughout the series is 30% Kisame previously manhandling Base Guy, whereas Base WA Guy knocked away a much stronger 100% Kisame and slightly damaged him.
- Gaara should be 7-A (in his new FKS key that should exist) via being able to knock back Base MS Sasuke and hold back his attacks, as well as pressure him into using the Susanoo, and blocking V2 Ay's kick which could break the Ribcage Susanoo (and upscaling from BoS ofc).
- Susanoo Sasuke's durability should scale to Gaara, as he blocked Gaara's attacks with it. Base MS Sasuke should also just be 7-A since his Chidori amped blade could pierce through Gaara's sand, and he could temporarily withstand Gaara's sand burial before needing to use the Ribcage.
-FKS Naruto and DF Sasuke were implied to be equal. This isn't referring to their base forms, as they saw each other's true strengths during their clash. This is obvious with how Naruto said "It's all clear," after trading blows with Sasuke. This is supported by Naruto saying he needed Nine Tails' chakra to fight him. Which would mean some form of MS Sasuke is probably High 7-A. I'd say most likely with the Humanoid Susanoo, which upscales Danzo (or more accurately, keeps him the same)
- While PA/FKS SM Naruto should keep his current rating, WA SM Naruto should get At least High 7-A because his Rasengan could dent the 3rd Raikage and push away his arm even if he didn't do much damage.
- FKS Mei is 7-A for melting the Susanoo. And her WA self might be physically High 7-A, considering she kicked back Zetsu who could hold and temporarily restrain KCM Naruto, and he fought Mei after being kicked back, who obviously used ninjutsu at some point. "Oh, but Zetsu is fodder, he got cut in half by Chojuro!" Except that's not really an antifeat considering it was offguard and WA Chojuro>FKS Chojuro, who could push back Sasuke's Susanoo. Obviously MS Sasuke's Ribcage Susanoo is nowhere near Edo Madara or KCM Naruto level (at least when I'm finished with things
), but it does show Chojuro and by extension Zetsu are not fodder, especially since Chojuro grew his sword massively to cut Zetsu.- They fought Hanzo while weaker than they are currently and survived. Jiraiya considered it "unbelievable" that Hanzo could be taken down by a single person, despite being aware of the Five Kage (at this time, Gaara, Ay, Ohnoki, and Mei should all be 7-A). So the Sannin should downscale from High Kage level. Thus, them being at least somewhat relative to the FKS Kage makes sense. Hanzo is 7-A too because of this. Same with Mifune for beating Edo Hanzo who shouldn't scale too far below his normal strength. While this doesn't upscale him, support for his impressive strength is him clashing with 3T Sasuke, forcing him to use the Chidori blade. This means FKS Mifune is downscaled to At least 7-B while WA Mifune is straight up 7-A. WA Mifune with a buff from Naruto casually sliced through the God Tree branches, lending credence to the idea of his strength. These same branches gave Tobirama and Bee some trouble. Mifune being High 7-A with a Kurama chakra buff lines up perfectly with him being 7-A normally, as Kurama's chakra is vaguely more than a 3x buff.
- Tsunade thought she could stop or at least hold off Ay after seeing him fight in V1 for an extended period of time. This would mean the Sannin are High 7-A though, which I disagree with, so what this really implies is that WA Tsunade got stronger. Still though, if WA Tsunade~/>WA V1 Ay, it would make sense that pre-WA Tsunade~/>FKS V1 Ay, so the idea that Sannin~FKS Kage remains consistent.
- Orochimaru fought and held back against the 3rd Kazekage puppet.
Which would imply that he didn't think a weapon with High Kazekage level AP wasn't enough of a threat to go all out. Also Orochimaru tanked a Shinra Tensei right to the face here, so pretty clear High Kage level stuff as well (cause Pain was single body and thus FP). This is consistent with the fact that Orochimaru defeated Rasa. Normally you could just say it was an assassination, but with him both killing Rasa and being able to fight the 3rd Kazekage while holding back, it's pretty clear he does scale to those characters, so the Kazekages should be 7-A instead of High 7-A+.
- Post-Rasa fight Gaara may be the exception via Madara fight scaling. Because of this, Muu and Gengetsu can either keep their current Likely High 7-A+ rating or get downgraded to At least 7-A, possibly High 7-A+. I'd say 7-A is more likely though, considering how badly a single Rasengan from KCM Naruto wrecked Muu, and Naruto is only High 7-A.
- Sasori should also scale to 7-A via 3rd Kazekage scaling instead of just 7-B with his other puppets. His antifeats against Sakura are because she was resolve amped. It was definitely not an assassination since it was stated the 3rd Kazekage was a difficult opponent. If he was a difficult opponent, that means the 3rd had a chance to fight back and use Iron Sand, and still lost. Chiyo would also be upscaled to 7-A from this, although maybe not completely since she struggled a lot despite Sasori's heart not fully being in it and having a partner. At least 7-B+ should be fine as she downscales from a bit above baseline. Which lines up perfectly with her in her prime fighting Hanzo a lot who's 7-A.
- Old Hiruzen scales to Orochimaru so he's upscaled to 7-A. So would his Prime and Edo self. Old Hiruzen scaling this high is not inconsistent as he's implied to be the strongest of the Five Kage even in his old age. The former statement is about Old Hiruzen despite what many think, since it was stated they took him on with his reputation as the strongest Kage in mind. AKA Orochimaru thought he was a High Kage level threat and was fine fighting him.
-Old Hiruzen being the strongest Kage is backed up by him being calm and collected while facing who he thought was Rasa, but as soon as he realized it was Orochimaru, his eyes became bloodshot and he somewhat lost his composure. You could just interpret this reaction as due to the fact that Orochimaru was his student, but his calmness against "Rasa" definitely implied he thought he could take him.
- Jiraiya has jutsu with incredible power beyond that of the other nations. It's a fan translation though, so if someone wants to translate it, that'd be cool to confirm if it's right.
- Konan's durability scales to Jiraiya from tanking Jiraiya's fire style attack, and her AP would change to At least 7-A, likely High 7-A+ from injuring Obito (since Obito's durability scales to Minato who scales above the Sannin). Her scaling this high lines up with her being able to casually defeat Sasori (when he had the 3rd Kazekage) who's 7-A.
- Obito upscales to 7-A from Konan via stabbing through her.
- As mentioned earlier, Base Minato is At least 7-A, likely High 7-A+, and should be At least High 7-A+ in SM. This is because after fighting alongside WA Kakashi for an extended period of time, thus knowing his strength, he was concerned about Kakashi being hit by his SM Rasengan. Plus, Kakashi was pressured to use Kamui despite being nearly blind already and being able to tank hits from V2 Jinchuriki that are High 7-A and trade blows with Obito who's High 7-A+. And despite it being teleported ON CONTACT, it still caused significant damage to Kakashi.
It was also able to easily go through Gaara's sand and still retain enough force to injure Kakashi. I know it went through the sand because Minato was right in front of Juubidara and the sand wall was in front of Juubidara too. And in a previous panel, you can see that Kakashi is basically facing Madara head-on at a parallel angle. In other words, the sand wall would've been in front of him when Juubidara kicked the SM Rasengan at him. The anime version is just the icing on top.
- It was stated Sasuke surpassed Alive Itachi with the EMS (we know it's referring to Alive Itachi since Edo Itachi wasn't around when Sasuke implanted his eyes). Which means Itachi was superior to any version of MS Sasuke, including Humanoid/Armored Susanoo Sasuke. So he'd upscale from 7-A (Alive Itachi>AS Sasuke>HS Sasuke>SS Sasuke>FKS SS Sasuke>Orochimaru) and probably High 7-A via DF Sasuke~SM Naruto. He also bodied Orochimaru both as a kid and while dying, more 7-A feats. Possibly High 7-A, considering Itachi cut off Orochimaru's hand while Orochimaru tanked a Shinra Tensei from FP Tendo. He also scared Orochimaru so much that he left the Akatsuki, whereas Orochimaru was at least willing to see if he could get strong enough to defeat Pain and even said "At least, not yet" in reference to not being able to take action against him. This implies Early Akatsuki (or P1 ig) 3T Itachi is superior to FP Tendo. This scaling has a lot of consistency. Itachi~/>DF Sasuke~FKS SM Naruto~>PA SM Naruto~FP Pain
- Tsunade thought she could stop or at least hold off Ay after seeing him fight in V1 for an extended period of time. This would mean the Sannin are High 7-A though, which I disagree with, so what this really implies is that WA Tsunade got stronger. Still though, if WA Tsunade~/>WA V1 Ay, it would make sense that pre-WA Tsunade~/>FKS V1 Ay, so the idea that Sannin~FKS Kage remains consistent.
- Orochimaru fought and held back against the 3rd Kazekage puppet.
Which would imply that he didn't think a weapon with High Kazekage level AP wasn't enough of a threat to go all out. Also Orochimaru tanked a Shinra Tensei right to the face here, so pretty clear High Kage level stuff as well (cause Pain was single body and thus FP). This is consistent with the fact that Orochimaru defeated Rasa. Normally you could just say it was an assassination, but with him both killing Rasa and being able to fight the 3rd Kazekage while holding back, it's pretty clear he does scale to those characters, so the Kazekages should be 7-A instead of High 7-A+.
- Post-Rasa fight Gaara may be the exception via Madara fight scaling. Because of this, Muu and Gengetsu can either keep their current Likely High 7-A+ rating or get downgraded to At least 7-A, possibly High 7-A+. I'd say 7-A is more likely though, considering how badly a single Rasengan from KCM Naruto wrecked Muu, and Naruto is only High 7-A.
- Sasori should also scale to 7-A via 3rd Kazekage scaling instead of just 7-B with his other puppets. His antifeats against Sakura are because she was resolve amped. It was definitely not an assassination since it was stated the 3rd Kazekage was a difficult opponent. If he was a difficult opponent, that means the 3rd had a chance to fight back and use Iron Sand, and still lost. Chiyo would also be upscaled to 7-A from this, although maybe not completely since she struggled a lot despite Sasori's heart not fully being in it and having a partner. At least 7-B+ should be fine as she downscales from a bit above baseline. Which lines up perfectly with her in her prime fighting Hanzo a lot who's 7-A.
- Old Hiruzen scales to Orochimaru so he's upscaled to 7-A. So would his Prime and Edo self. Old Hiruzen scaling this high is not inconsistent as he's implied to be the strongest of the Five Kage even in his old age. The former statement is about Old Hiruzen despite what many think, since it was stated they took him on with his reputation as the strongest Kage in mind. AKA Orochimaru thought he was a High Kage level threat and was fine fighting him.
-Old Hiruzen being the strongest Kage is backed up by him being calm and collected while facing who he thought was Rasa, but as soon as he realized it was Orochimaru, his eyes became bloodshot and he somewhat lost his composure. You could just interpret this reaction as due to the fact that Orochimaru was his student, but his calmness against "Rasa" definitely implied he thought he could take him.
- Jiraiya has jutsu with incredible power beyond that of the other nations. It's a fan translation though, so if someone wants to translate it, that'd be cool to confirm if it's right.
- Konan's durability scales to Jiraiya from tanking Jiraiya's fire style attack, and her AP would change to At least 7-A, likely High 7-A+ from injuring Obito (since Obito's durability scales to Minato who scales above the Sannin). Her scaling this high lines up with her being able to casually defeat Sasori (when he had the 3rd Kazekage) who's 7-A.
- Obito upscales to 7-A from Konan via stabbing through her.
- As mentioned earlier, Base Minato is At least 7-A, likely High 7-A+, and should be At least High 7-A+ in SM. This is because after fighting alongside WA Kakashi for an extended period of time, thus knowing his strength, he was concerned about Kakashi being hit by his SM Rasengan. Plus, Kakashi was pressured to use Kamui despite being nearly blind already and being able to tank hits from V2 Jinchuriki that are High 7-A and trade blows with Obito who's High 7-A+. And despite it being teleported ON CONTACT, it still caused significant damage to Kakashi.
It was also able to easily go through Gaara's sand and still retain enough force to injure Kakashi. I know it went through the sand because Minato was right in front of Juubidara and the sand wall was in front of Juubidara too. And in a previous panel, you can see that Kakashi is basically facing Madara head-on at a parallel angle. In other words, the sand wall would've been in front of him when Juubidara kicked the SM Rasengan at him. The anime version is just the icing on top.
- It was stated Sasuke surpassed Alive Itachi with the EMS (we know it's referring to Alive Itachi since Edo Itachi wasn't around when Sasuke implanted his eyes). Which means Itachi was superior to any version of MS Sasuke, including Humanoid/Armored Susanoo Sasuke. So he'd upscale from 7-A (Alive Itachi>AS Sasuke>HS Sasuke>SS Sasuke>FKS SS Sasuke>Orochimaru) and probably High 7-A via DF Sasuke~SM Naruto. He also bodied Orochimaru both as a kid and while dying, more 7-A feats. Possibly High 7-A, considering Itachi cut off Orochimaru's hand while Orochimaru tanked a Shinra Tensei from FP Tendo. He also scared Orochimaru so much that he left the Akatsuki, whereas Orochimaru was at least willing to see if he could get strong enough to defeat Pain and even said "At least, not yet" in reference to not being able to take action against him. This implies Early Akatsuki (or P1 ig) 3T Itachi is superior to FP Tendo. This scaling has a lot of consistency. Itachi~/>DF Sasuke~FKS SM Naruto~>PA SM Naruto~FP Pain
Konan is well aware of the 5 Kage, yet she says that Pain is invincible. The databook echoes this sentiment. This is despite him currently being weaker than the Gokage and far slower than V1 Ay, who fought relatively on par with Sasuke who was stated to be weaker than Pain. And that's likely with the MS taken into consideration, letalone 3T Sasuke.
-Zetsu never imagined that Pain would be taken down and couldn't foresee the possibility of Nagato dying
-Mei melted Sasuke's Ribcage Susanoo about as much as she melted Madara's Humanoid Susanoo, despite the latter possessing exponentially greater durability
-The infamous KCM Naruto~3T Sasuke argument
-Bee thinks V2 Ay can one shot KCM Naruto, and yet he can't one shot Ribcage Susanoo Sasuke, who's far weaker than the Sasuke that Naruto could supposedly beat with KCM
-I don't agree with Minato's current scaling, but with it, you can argue Minato is dogshit fodder compared to the Gokage, despite him being held in an incredibly high regard by just about everyone
-Konoha was stated to be the strongest village as of the time of the 3rd databook (which covered up to volume 43, meaning Jiraiya was dead and Naruto didn't have SM), which wouldn't be the case if every other village had High 7-A+ characters
-The Gokage LITERALLY STATED they were far stronger than at the FKS
-Zetsu never imagined that Pain would be taken down and couldn't foresee the possibility of Nagato dying
-Mei melted Sasuke's Ribcage Susanoo about as much as she melted Madara's Humanoid Susanoo, despite the latter possessing exponentially greater durability
-The infamous KCM Naruto~3T Sasuke argument
-Bee thinks V2 Ay can one shot KCM Naruto, and yet he can't one shot Ribcage Susanoo Sasuke, who's far weaker than the Sasuke that Naruto could supposedly beat with KCM
-I don't agree with Minato's current scaling, but with it, you can argue Minato is dogshit fodder compared to the Gokage, despite him being held in an incredibly high regard by just about everyone
-Konoha was stated to be the strongest village as of the time of the 3rd databook (which covered up to volume 43, meaning Jiraiya was dead and Naruto didn't have SM), which wouldn't be the case if every other village had High 7-A+ characters
-The Gokage LITERALLY STATED they were far stronger than at the FKS
Orochimaru - 7-A, higher with Eight Branches Technique and Kusanagi Sword, possibly High 7-A durability via tanking a Shinra Tensei
Pre-WA Tsunade - At least 7-A in Base since she damaged Sick Orochimaru, not his prime self who tanked the Shinra Tensei
WA Tsunade - At least 7-A, likely High 7-A, High 7-A+ with 100 Healings
Jiraiya - 7-A in Base, High 7-A in SM
Old Hiruzen - 7-A, higher with Enma
Edo Hiruzen - same as above (for now, hopefully that'll change in the other thread...)
Prime Hiruzen - At least 7-A, likely far higher
Guruguru Yamato - 7-A
FKS Sasuke - At least 7-B, higher with Chidori. 7-A with the MS and Ribcage/Skeletal Susanoo. 7-A by the end of the Danzo fight via hatred amps, higher with Chidori and MS, likely High 7-A with higher versions of the Susanoo
EMS Sasuke - At least 7-A, likely High 7-A, High 7-A+ with the EMS, higher with Susanoo
Alive Itachi (Part 1) - At least 7-A, likely High 7-A, higher with MS and Susanoo
Alive Itachi (Part 2) At least 7-A with the Susanoo via scaling above Orochimaru's strongest form in P2 (idk where to scale his P2 base, I'd say that's 7-A too since he was holding back against Sasuke and him being above Orochimaru is still narratively implied in P2, but eh)
FKS Kakashi - 7-A, 7-A+ with Sharingan, MS, and Raikiri
Danzo - At least 7-B, At least 7-A, likely High 7-A with Wood and Wind Style
WA Suigetsu - At least 7-B, possibly 7-A
WA Jugo - At least 7-B, likely 7-A
FKS/Early WA Gaara - 7-A
WA Gaara - High 7-A+ from the Madara fight onwards
Muu/Gengetsu - keep their ratings or At least 7-A, possibly High 7-A+
FKS Ay - 7-A in V1, higher in V2
WA Ay - same as currently, except change his durability to 7-A/High 7-A
FKS Bee - 7-A in V1/V2
FKS Kisame - 7-B, At least 7-B durability, 7-A when fused
WA Kisame - 7-A+, higher when Fused.
BoS Guy - 7-B, higher with the 1st Gate, At least 7-B+ with the 6th Gate
FKS/BoW Guy - 7-A, 7-A+ with the 1st Gate, higher with the 6th Gate, even higher with the 7th Gate
FKS Mei - 7-A
WA Mei - High 7-A, with High 7-A+ ninjutsu
Black/White Zetsu combined - At least High 7-A, possibly High 7-A+
Sasori - 7-A
Chiyo - 7-B, At least 7-B+/7-A with puppets, 7-A in her prime
Hanzo - 7-A
FKS Mifune - At least 7-B
WA Mifune - 7-A
Base PA Naruto - 7-A
WA SM Naruto - At least High 7-A
Konan - At least 7-A, likely High 7-A+
Obito - At least 7-A
Minato - At least 7-A, likely High 7-A+/At least High 7-A+ in SM
Other characters that scale far above the Sannin (like SM Naruto level or above)- probably still High 7-A/+
Pre-WA Tsunade - At least 7-A in Base since she damaged Sick Orochimaru, not his prime self who tanked the Shinra Tensei
WA Tsunade - At least 7-A, likely High 7-A, High 7-A+ with 100 Healings
Jiraiya - 7-A in Base, High 7-A in SM
Old Hiruzen - 7-A, higher with Enma
Edo Hiruzen - same as above (for now, hopefully that'll change in the other thread...)
Prime Hiruzen - At least 7-A, likely far higher
Guruguru Yamato - 7-A
FKS Sasuke - At least 7-B, higher with Chidori. 7-A with the MS and Ribcage/Skeletal Susanoo. 7-A by the end of the Danzo fight via hatred amps, higher with Chidori and MS, likely High 7-A with higher versions of the Susanoo
EMS Sasuke - At least 7-A, likely High 7-A, High 7-A+ with the EMS, higher with Susanoo
Alive Itachi (Part 1) - At least 7-A, likely High 7-A, higher with MS and Susanoo
Alive Itachi (Part 2) At least 7-A with the Susanoo via scaling above Orochimaru's strongest form in P2 (idk where to scale his P2 base, I'd say that's 7-A too since he was holding back against Sasuke and him being above Orochimaru is still narratively implied in P2, but eh)
FKS Kakashi - 7-A, 7-A+ with Sharingan, MS, and Raikiri
Danzo - At least 7-B, At least 7-A, likely High 7-A with Wood and Wind Style
WA Suigetsu - At least 7-B, possibly 7-A
WA Jugo - At least 7-B, likely 7-A
FKS/Early WA Gaara - 7-A
WA Gaara - High 7-A+ from the Madara fight onwards
Muu/Gengetsu - keep their ratings or At least 7-A, possibly High 7-A+
FKS Ay - 7-A in V1, higher in V2
WA Ay - same as currently, except change his durability to 7-A/High 7-A
FKS Bee - 7-A in V1/V2
FKS Kisame - 7-B, At least 7-B durability, 7-A when fused
WA Kisame - 7-A+, higher when Fused.
BoS Guy - 7-B, higher with the 1st Gate, At least 7-B+ with the 6th Gate
FKS/BoW Guy - 7-A, 7-A+ with the 1st Gate, higher with the 6th Gate, even higher with the 7th Gate
FKS Mei - 7-A
WA Mei - High 7-A, with High 7-A+ ninjutsu
Black/White Zetsu combined - At least High 7-A, possibly High 7-A+
Sasori - 7-A
Chiyo - 7-B, At least 7-B+/7-A with puppets, 7-A in her prime
Hanzo - 7-A
FKS Mifune - At least 7-B
WA Mifune - 7-A
Base PA Naruto - 7-A
WA SM Naruto - At least High 7-A
Konan - At least 7-A, likely High 7-A+
Obito - At least 7-A
Minato - At least 7-A, likely High 7-A+/At least High 7-A+ in SM
Other characters that scale far above the Sannin (like SM Naruto level or above)- probably still High 7-A/+
Wonder if this'll flop like the others...
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