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I'd advocate for a permaban. Dude just seems like a troll
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I permabanned himSorry for commenting here but as someone who understands the language (turkish) of the vandalizing user, I would like to say a few things.
-Vandalizing user states that if Yhwach's changes to him profile are reverted, he will vandalize again. (repeatedly)
-Judging by speech, he's (definitely he) probably quite young or totally troll.
-He is quoting a channel that produces content that normalizes sexuality on youtube and that has great toxicity.
In conclusion, I don't think such a person would really benefit the wiki. I think, like Dread said, either keep an eye on him or ban him.
Heavily disagree, especially seeing as Fuji's more aggressive responses were in response to Pein outright provoking her, including mocking her and insulting her intelligence. I'd say Pein's done more in the rule-breaking department than Fuji here.Regarding Pein, I do not think that he seems to have done any actual rule-breaking behaviour here, and that calling him a m-f is considerably worse than anything that he did.
Thanks. Pretty popular page so idk why it was unlocked to begin with tbhAnyway, I locked the Yhwach page.
Noted, but being annoyed and somewhat condescedning is not sufficient to get him banned, a moderate instruction warning at most, and Fujiwara still blatantly behaved considerably worse here."Of course, understanding issues and getting defensive when they are called out on their BS, classic battleboarding moments. You should probably stop giving opinions on what you cannot understand."
"Oh you did not understand a single thing"
"The ones actually knowledgeable on Tier 2 understood me well enough" (implying Fuji isn't knowledgeable on this just because she didn't fully get what they were trying to communicate)
How does this not come off as condescending? Pein frankly has had a bit of a history, from my experience, of being condescending toward people that don't agree with them (claiming they just "didn't read their posts properly" and the like), trying to act as though they weren't acting in such a way, and then getting away with it.
I will like you to find this specific report. Since I cannot remember ever doing such a thingI will say that Pein has done this sort of thing before, where they'll go out of their way to mock my intelligence (such as calling me a child and saying they'd just ignore any evidence I posted because they believed I was a wanker). I can find the specific report when I find the time.
I will say that Pein has done this sort of thing before, where they'll go out of their way to mock my intelligence (such as calling me a child and saying they'd just ignore any evidence I posted because they believed I was a wanker). I can find the specific report when I find the time.
I've done some cleaning on the page earlier tonight, hope that page is free of editing errors nowAnyway, I locked the Yhwach page.
I find this extremely disingenuous, since me telling Pein that I don't give a shit about them coming into my DMs to bother me about me agreeing with them is also me being blunt by nature. Feels odd to let one example slide and not another, especially when I was never picking a fight with Pein to begin with and just responded when she started hounding me over this for no reason.I do not think that trying to reason with Fujiwara via private messages remotely counts as genuine harrassment. It was probably tone deaf/ill-considered, sure, but Pein is not an ill-intended member, just blunt by nature.
Are you really just taking Pein's word for it and that's it? Especially when it comes to the "misrepresented the situation in order to get them banned" part? Like, that's an obvious way in which someone who has done something wrong would try to defend their wrongdoing.I did not say that you should be punished. I just said that it would be a massive double-standard to punish Pein when you behaved worse and also apparently misrepresented the situation in order to get them banned.
Thank you, I genuinely have forgotten this, read through it and I can remember clearly now you saying "I have zero reasoning" and "learn to ******* read" and my reply was you should stop acting like a child when someone disagrees with them.Anyways, here is the report I was referring to
I am not trying to defend my wrongdoings here, she indeed misrepresented the situation when she sent my messages and not her own messages that prompted the replies, she literally acted like she did nothing wrong and it was all me and that I have been warned previously. I was wrong to say "she cannot understand" and that sounds insultive, that much I accept and know, but at the same time you also need to accept that she is wrong for calling a "mf-er". And saying "I don't give a shit" to me sincerely trying to explain something she did wrong to her.Are you really just taking Pein's word for it and that's it? Especially when it comes to the "misrepresented the situation in order to get them banned" part? Like, that's an obvious way in which someone who has done something wrong would try to defend their wrongdoing.
I absolutely did not do that. Do not twist this situation into something it isn't.No, I checked through the screencaptures that Pein provided, and if I recall correctly, Fujiwara initially presented the situation as if she had done nothing wrong here, which was not the case.
While I think we both have different opinion on what makes personal insults or insults, i will only address thisbut I would consider the "************" there more of an exclamation rather than a personal insult.
On past behaviours though, I can say I have no warning in all my years here.if Pein has already been warned in recent times for similar issues, or if this behaviour persists past this point.
Maybe it just a matter of interpretation. I think "Holy shit, I said..." and "Goddamnit, I said..." both fit equally well, implying that it's more of an exclamation.While I think we both have different opinion on what makes personal insults or insults, i will only address this
"************ I said...." is not an exclamation, it is "name calling"
There are from both sides. I could create a list of each to provide a transparent overview.Have there been any other reports of either Pein or Fuji in the past? I noticed that the report Fuji linked was from about a year and two months ago, and it was also a report regarding Pein's conduct towards Fuji, which makes me think that the two of them have been in conflict with one another for some time.
That would be greatly appreciated. Any elaborative context is welcome.There are from both sides. I could create a list of each to provide a transparent overview.
So, again. This is the same exact people, too.I have to ask.
Why does being “a consistently helpful member” seem to be this… pseudo-shield to try and object people from being punished, and why does it matter here? Fujiwara is clearly distressed by what was said, in-great detail, but he’s allowed leniency because… he’s helpful scaling… characters that don’t exist…?
I will rephrase that and more or less what I repeated; "Have been helpful and productive member" is not a shield. "They still are and working really hard to be" are better shields. And more so shields for some occasional slip ups resulted from overstress; nothing is really a shield for like full blown toxicity. We use present and future as holding more weight over than the past, combined with weighing how helpful/contributive they consistently and relative to how often and/or hard they misbehave.Being a helpful or productive member is not a shield for toxicity. It’s what we expect
Wasn't this a report on Pein and not me?