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Rule Violation Reports (New forum)

M3X_2.0 said:
Okay, it’s getting weird. A bunch of new users suddenly appears to agree with the thread.

It’s worth checking.
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That's not the only thread I've seen with a bunch of new users agreeing.

vsbattles.com

Problems regarding some COTE calculations

Ayanokouji and Horikita fall 10 meters: This calculation would work if Ayanokouji and Horikita directly fell to the ground from 10 meters distance but that's clearly not the case as Ayanokouji states that they "went tumbling down the slope". Ayanokouji does not tank the full energy of the fall...
vsbattles.com vsbattles.com

This thread seems to have the same elements.
 
GarrixianXD said:
That's not the only thread I've seen with a bunch of new users agreeing.

vsbattles.com

Problems regarding some COTE calculations

Ayanokouji and Horikita fall 10 meters: This calculation would work if Ayanokouji and Horikita directly fell to the ground from 10 meters distance but that's clearly not the case as Ayanokouji states that they "went tumbling down the slope". Ayanokouji does not tank the full energy of the fall...
vsbattles.com vsbattles.com

This thread seems to have the same elements.
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I saw one user with one message there, one user with 88 messages there, and then a bunch in the range of hundreds.

Is that really worth reporting over?

I don't want this thread getting overrun with baseless reports like this.
 
Agnaa said:
I saw one user with one message there, one user with 88 messages there, and then a bunch in the range of hundreds.

Is that really worth reporting over?

I don't want this thread getting overrun with baseless reports like this.
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Fair tbh, call off the case then.
 

Report Status Update​


User: Veronica

Report: Violating topic ban

Status: Open, people have suggested ban (DDM, Ant), topic ban extension (Bambu), either (CloverDragon), and both (Agnaa)

Thread: Funny Valentine Thread

Report: Suspicious agreements from new users

Status: Open, suggested no action (Agnaa)

User: Hollow Vanity

Report: Suspected Vapourrrrr sock

Status: Open, some suggested no action (Agnaa, Bambu), others did (Ovens)

User: Fujiwara

Report: Toxicity

Status: Open, most want a warning (KLOL, DDM, Crabwhale, Bambu), some want nothing (Agnaa), some were unclear (DarkGrath)

I'm going to continue considering all of these "open". Even though the Veronica case has agreement on a ban and topic ban extension, I'm the only one who has thrown out a number, and no-one has agreed to it.
 
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alright, alright

Fujiwara: Seems definitely in poor taste, I'd support a warning.

Funny Valentine Thread: I agreed elsewhere that it's suspicious and might be an indicator of something but on its own is not a violation nor worthy of actual action.

Veronica: Violating a topic ban is grounds to have said ban extended, makes sense to me. Further infractions should warrant outright ban time, however.
 
The Valentine thread is basically rejected at this point, although we should keep a closer look at the members involved with the FRA train because it really seems like a bunch of socks from the same user. Might as well close it.
 
I'd like to add sth about HollowVanity.
One, they've been making many calcs and fast. New members rarely know how calcs are made when they've only sent 70 messages thus far.
Additionally one could argue the pixel scaling is somewhat similar to Cloudygami's with the main difference being the fact that they now add the amount of pixels there.
Cloudy's pixel scaling, Hollow's pixel scaling

I would also like to add that they know and link this thread as an argument here.
The thread was closed on the 15th of August while Hollow joined last wednesday. Here's a question. How could he have known about this thread which was closed WAY before he joined and suddenly be able to pull it out and use it for calcs and arguments. Ain't that a bit sus? This was also a thread where Vapourr was very active.
 
Arceus0x said:
I'd like to add sth about HollowVanity.
One, they've been making many calcs and fast. New members rarely know how calcs are made when they've only sent 70 messages thus far.
Additionally one could argue the pixel scaling is somewhat similar to Cloudygami's with the main difference being the fact that they now add the amount of pixels there.
Cloudy's pixel scaling, Hollow's pixel scaling

I would also like to add that they know and link this thread as an argument here.
The thread was closed on the 15th of August while Hollow joined last wednesday. Here's a question. How could he have known about this thread which was closed WAY before he joined and suddenly be able to pull it out and use it for calcs and arguments. Ain't that a bit sus? This was also a thread where Vapourr was very active.
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erm pal I'm ngl your kinda just waffling.

I know how to make calcs fast because I'm in many debate servers meaning, I've made calcs multiple times and quickly (when your in a debate with someone you gotta be quick with calcs so I'm kind of a pro at making quick and good calcs). Vs Wiki isn't the only place where people debate and make calcs mate, dont get it twisted

My pixel scaling is similar to clouds because we both use paint, I'm not cloud broski, get some better evidence cause my pixel scaling is probably similar to 100 people since many people use paint as an app.

That thread was sent in a discod server I'm in, It was also sent to me by vapour who asked me to calc him the feat lol, if an ss is needed of that I can send it

Basically all your points are rubbish and make no sense, next time you make a report remember that our I.P doesn't match so its impossible for us to be the same person unless we move every time we join the wiki
 
Twisted_Little_Raven said:
Sent to me by vapour

Joined last Wednesday

Defends themselves like all vapour socks

Same discord

Familiar with vsb

Surprised you weren't banned already. Had me at last Wednesday joining the wiki
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Yeah mate, theres a couple other people on the wiki that were sent by vapour or recommended to join the wiki by vapour, I can tell you 3 rn

Yeah, thanks for pointing the obvious out

Erm, do you have examples of this pal ?

Yeah, do you want an inv to the server or sum ?!

I'm not though ? I didn't even know how to do that priority: 123 thingy until some guy told me, the wiki is kinda easy to learn though, stop acting like if you a new user you gotta act like some brainless bumb for a month

Okay pal, I guess every new user is vapour
 
Can we make an exclusive rule that bars all calcs from being evaluated if they come from Vapourrr's proxy?

In fact, if you so much as recieve a message from Vapourrr, your calc making privileges for TR should be stripped from you permanently.

I think this is fair.
 
Sir_Ovens said:
Can we make an exclusive rule that bars all calcs from being evaluated if they come from Vapourrr's proxy?

In fact, if you so much as recieve a message from Vapourrr, your calc making privileges for TR should be stripped from you permanently.

I think this is fair.
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I agree ngl, that guy is pure evil
 
M3X_2.0 said:
Both of you should chill and stop commenting on the RVR. It’s not the first time we deal with Vapourr creating socks so just wait for the IP check or a better decision.
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Ant already checked, there were no overlaps. However that would’t concretely prove.
 
Sir_Ovens said:
Can we make an exclusive rule that bars all calcs from being evaluated if they come from Vapourrr's proxy?

In fact, if you so much as recieve a message from Vapourrr, your calc making privileges for TR should be stripped from you permanently.

I think this is fair.
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I'm fine with that.

Although, I also think it's pretty clear HollowVanity is Vapourrrrr's latest account.
 
I think that's for the best. In the absolute worst case scenario we have simply banned an admitted close associate of two users who are both perma-banned for sock-puppeting, uses the same mannerisms, has the same aggro tendencies, focuses on the same verse, and is certain to be an issue moving forward. As the saying goes, if it quacks like a duck.
 
Umm as someone who regularly interacted with Vapour and who knew the other profile he made with the Solo leveling guy was probably him I don't really think this is an alt. They seem like completely different people. They do however have the same love for TR calcing to the high heavens, but this guy seems different.
 
Sir_Ovens said:
Can we make an exclusive rule that bars all calcs from being evaluated if they come from Vapourrr's proxy?

In fact, if you so much as recieve a message from Vapourrr, your calc making privileges for TR should be stripped from you permanently.

I think this is fair.
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This really isn't enforceable as a rule. A person who makes a calc doesn't have a monopoly on the validity of that calc - two people can hypothetically entirely independently of one another calc the same feat and get the same result, and the person who made it has zero bearing on whether the result is valid.

Obviously, the relevant context here is that Vapourrr has made poor calcs for TR, and we've seen that Vapourrr is using sockpuppet accounts to continue interacting with the wiki, thereby making more poor calcs. But that just means we need to get rid of the sockpuppets if/when they appear, and to reject the calcs as we would with any other invalid calc. If, hypothetically, Vapourr on a sockpuppet account made an entirely valid calc, and someone reposted that calc verbatim on the wiki after they were banned, rejecting that calc purely on the basis of who originally made it would be completely unreasonable.

Just keep an eye out for more sockpuppets and reject bad calcs as always. There is no need to single out Vapourrr.
 
The non-staff intrusions are getting out of hand. This is a remind that you should only comment here if you are directly involved in the report or have relevant information to provide. This is not a venue for non-staff to share their opinions of potential punishments.

And even if you are involved in a report, that isn't free license to post random nonsense here.
 
DarkGrath said:
This really isn't enforceable as a rule. A person who makes a calc doesn't have a monopoly on the validity of that calc - two people can hypothetically entirely independently of one another calc the same feat and get the same result, and the person who made it has zero bearing on whether the result is valid.

Obviously, the relevant context here is that Vapourrr has made poor calcs for TR, and we've seen that Vapourrr is using sockpuppet accounts to continue interacting with the wiki, thereby making more poor calcs. But that just means we need to get rid of the sockpuppets if/when they appear, and to reject the calcs as we would with any other invalid calc. If, hypothetically, Vapourr on a sockpuppet account made an entirely valid calc, and someone reposted that calc verbatim on the wiki after they were banned, rejecting that calc purely on the basis of who originally made it would be completely unreasonable.

Just keep an eye out for more sockpuppets and reject bad calcs as always. There is no need to single out Vapourrr.
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Valid or not, Vapourrr shouldn't even be able to get calcs added onto the wiki via proxy.

If people want to make TR calcs, go ahead. But if they have any connection whatsoever to Vapourrr (DMs, known associate, same Discord server, etc.), they should be barred from ever making TR calcs.

Like the man is permabanned. On principle he should have nothing to do with this site and we should not encourage any sort of loophole.
 
I think that is far too extreme. He's banned from participating on the wiki directly, so sockpuppets and calcs posted directly by him are a no, but you're proposing we essentially ban members from interacting with someone off site. Which is a definite overreach. If our memebers choose to interact with someone off site, as long as they're not also repeating that same banned behavior we have no right to punish them. If the math is good and the scaling is supported, the calcs should be just fine. If any of those aren't good, then we toss out those calcs for those reasons not because a banned member helped in their creation.
 
Mr._Bambu said:
Fujiwara: Seems definitely in poor taste, I'd support a warning.

Funny Valentine Thread: I agreed elsewhere that it's suspicious and might be an indicator of something but on its own is not a violation nor worthy of actual action.

Veronica: Violating a topic ban is grounds to have said ban extended, makes sense to me. Further infractions should warrant outright ban time, however.
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This seems fine to me btw.
 
I have to disagree with Hollow's ban.

Let's take Cyber_VERGIL, for example. We couldn't prove the IPs matched, but they had shared accounts, moments of dropping the persona, and stories that don't make sense/have holes in them. That's somewhat substantial evidence, and even then not everyone was entirely comfortable with it.

Hollow and Vapourrr just share somewhat similar interests (I say somewhat because they've only shown genuine interest in like 3 verses), a mercurial personality, parlance and probably a brain cell. Even their calc layouts for the same verse aren't similar.

If you really think he's guilty already, give him time to incriminate yet again.
 
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Yeah, I don't necessarily blame people who expect a greater amount of indications, but at some point "the unfortunate new user who is friends with Vapourrrrr and Cloud and calcs TR and has an aggression issue, mistakenly believed to be one of their many socks" becomes much like "the boy who cried wolf" to me.
 
Mr._Bambu said:
one feels
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See, this is my problem here, 'feels'. Not really anything substantial.

Also, Vapourrrr's last blog was August 2nd.
Mr._Bambu said:
There is evidence to be seen here
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I mean you're not technically wrong, as minimal it is, but my point is that this isn't anything close to hard evidence, let alone proof.
Mr._Bambu said:
a direct correlation between the two
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Half of the One Piece discussion thread are in discord group, and the one who admitted to even having the direct correlation in the first place was Hollow.
 
ByAsura said:
See, this is my problem here, 'feels'. Not really anything substantial.
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Do you think he hasn't had enough time to adapt his behavior? How many socks deep is the man, now? It's a turn of phrase, Asura.

I mean you're not technically wrong, as minimal it is, but my point is that this isn't anything close to hard evidence, let alone proof.
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I'm afraid we're often left to speculate on such things, yes. Before proper IP checking this was in fact all we had to work with, barring an outright confession. We still work with it often, given the prevalence of VPNs. What do you suggest we do for evidence, send out the SWAT teams?

Half of the OPM discussion thread are in discord group, and the one who admitted to even having the direct correlation in the first place was Hollow.
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So you agree, good.
 
Again, you're talking about a span of a month or less. It's not impossible, but it's far more unlikely than you suggest.

No. I suggest we ******* wait for anything remotely substantial, since this guy has a history of self-reporting and screwing up. Like holy hell man, I know we didn't just nuke people for this little evidence back then.

Bruh. I feel like you're just ignoring my actual points.

Anyway, I'm going to bed. Frankly, this is just silly.
 
HollowVanity said:
Yeah mate, theres a couple other people on the wiki that were sent by vapour or recommended to join the wiki by vapour
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This is true ^
In a Discord server I'm part of, Vapour, CloudYagami and many others discuss topics related to the extremely popular Tier 9-8 niche, such as Tokyo Revengers, Lookism, Classroom of the elites, etc. Quite a few of them share similarities with Vapour in how they behave, which is common among friends. However, they still have distinct qualities that set them apart. Many of these individuals are open to creating new accounts, and they tend to share a similar thought process, especially when it comes to scaling. I personally think that HollowVanity is among the newcomers who will create new accounts in the future.

Take that as you will. In my opinion, as bad as this sounds, nothijg is particularly rule breaking about this and they have no power over the scaling we do here anyway so don’t worry about anything like vote manipulation. All we can do is keep an eye on them. However, staff have the final say.
 
Arnoldstone18 said:
This is true ^
In a Discord server I'm part of, Vapour, CloudYagami and many others discuss topics related to the extremely popular Tier 9-8 niche, such as Tokyo Revengers, Lookism, Classroom of the elites, etc. Quite a few of them share similarities with Vapour in how they behave, which is common among friends. However, they still have distinct qualities that set them apart. Many of these individuals are open to creating new accounts, and they tend to share a similar thought process, especially when it comes to scaling. I personally think that HollowVanity is among the newcomers who will create new accounts in the future.

Take that as you will. In my opinion, as bad as this sounds, nothijg is particularly rule breaking about this and they have no power over the scaling we do here anyway so don’t worry about anything like vote manipulation. All we can do is keep an eye on them. However, staff have the final say.
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Can you send screenshots or at least invite one of the staff?
 
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