I'll be clear. It's not okay just because the insult was directed at the argument, because it's rude and inflammatory either way. If you want to say the argument is bad, you can do that without using that kind of language. Just as well it'd be inappropriate to say it's a r------- argument and say "oh but I wasn't calling you that, so don't feel insulted"
First of all, you cannot compare that to what i said. Your using a term that's a disability, the term I used contextually means low to no intelligence. None of us are required to be buddy buddy with one another, furthermore I quite literally wanted nothing to do with Fujiwara and I even unfollowed the thread before being tagged by Glass to say me unfollowing a thread to avoid a conflict is "unreasonable."
The distinction here doesn't change the point of my analogy. If it would be rude to use against the person, don't use it against the argument. There are other ways of getting your point across.
It's also extremely bizarre to me that you're accusing Fuji of "twisting the truth" for saying you were warned twice, when your defense is... saying the person warning you the second time was simply wrong? I thought, based on your wording, that @Theglassman12 had issued a retraction, but he doubled down on the warning so Fuji is entirely correct.
A few minutes ago. The comment was deleted here.
Actually spare me your blind criticism here. The distinction here absolutely does change given the context, because context is what matters.
I'm assuming you didn't read the part where he was pointed out by multiple users that it was wrong? And how it wasn't even a warning? You're a staff member, do your job correctly and analyze the whole situation rather than working on a 4 second analysis. And I say that with all due respect, but right now your giving me shit for little to no reason other than "oh u weren't very nice."
here. Bloodly hell i even apologized for my behavior to her, and remained calm whereas she continued to antagonize me by throwing around accusations.
I am informing you that it is, in fact, a problem. So don't do that in the future.
Sure, let's review.
That's not a warning, again stop ignoring context here. The second one was after I had left, because me leaving a thread to avoid conflict is "hostile."
It's not a violation against the rules of the wiki to be "rude." it's against the rules to be personally aggresive, which again I wasn't.
literally ignoring me apologizing in the thread and the multitude of things Fujiwara did wrong.
I do think the warning is very much warranted. However, once again...
I don't think it's fair at all to act as though only one side was entirely wrong.
Gin set the stage for hostility very early, and went a lot farther than Fuji did. Bambu said his piece, the report was valid, let's not prolong this unnecessarily.
Then consider this my own report on Fuji for similar levels of hostility in the thread.
Okay, but you're also admitting it's not one-sided, so... Why is this being swept aside? If the issue is that this is dragging out Gin's situation, then fine, here's this:
Even as someone who is much stricter than many staff about rudeness, I consider this a nothing burger particularly considering the level of provocation. So I don't think any action is warranted.
I mean, it's a genuine belief on my end. I was actually just told by someone else that my wording could give the wrong impression (like this being out of spite, for instance), so I will say that if it came off that way, I apologize. I just thought Fuji's own comments were also report-worthy. If the consensus says otherwise, fair enough
It's locked now.
Leaving it up is fine, locking it was also a good enough idea.
Please don't delete Gin's goodbye message. Even if all the other messages are deleted, his goodbye shouldn't be. (Feel free to delete this comment, the message got through.)
You won't need to be concerned about that. I'll take care of it. As I said, I take full responsibility for her.
Sounds reasonable, if you checked with a bureau you should be fine to unban her outright at your leisure.I am writing this to inform everyone that I believe @Twisted_Little_Raven should be unbanned.
Now for any of ye old timey members, you might remember that name. She was a Bleach supporter, part of the old guard of them, along with Aizen and Gin. She got permanently banned, from what I can understand, for indecent behavior. She then instigated several trolling accounts through 2018-2019ish, perhaps a little beyond as well that I couldn't find with a quick search.
Now you may be saying: "Clearly this is a problematic user through and through, and she should remain permanently banned". Well, here's the thing. While it's true that her ban was originally permanent, it was actually shortened by Dragonmasterxyz, a now retired admin.
The reason her current ban is permanent is because she, herself, requested the ban, and was never able to have it lifted again due to her reputation (people thought it was just permanent period, instead of with a caveat) and also communications breaking down between her and staff members. Now, I should point out that she did still do sockpuppeting throughout the duration of her first revised ban (3 months), so she still has that blemish on her record, along with her original infraction.
However, we are by technicality keeping a user banned beyond the date of its expiry without them wanting to be banned anymore. I have also checked in with a user and a former bureau from to verify her story, and her recent behavior. I believe she is legible to be allowed to join the wiki again, on a trial period.
If said period goes badly as a result of her behavior, I will take personal responsibility, and she will be banned permanently again. But I do believe there is value to letting her at least try to show she's improved.
Assuming the bureau didn't get ousted in bad faith (literally impossible), then my point stands. Their story is valid, I think you can go ahead and do it.
While I understand where you're coming from and not going to say my word should override anyone else's. And it seems the ban was already lifted, but as mentioned. She has done some sock puppetting during the ban period and even a year after the permabanned was agreed she made more sock puppets. But the worst act was inappropriately posting "I'm surprised you haven't killed yourself" on a current Admin who was retired and struggling with suicidal depression at the time. And while that was more so being a proxy for someone who wrote the message, I still think the fact that simply delivering such a message at such a bad timing is something that speaks volumes.I am writing this to inform everyone that I believe @Twisted_Little_Raven should be unbanned.
Now for any of ye old timey members, you might remember that name. She was a Bleach supporter, part of the old guard of them, along with Aizen and Gin. She got permanently banned, from what I can understand, for indecent behavior. She then instigated several trolling accounts through 2018-2019ish, perhaps a little beyond as well that I couldn't find with a quick search.
Now you may be saying: "Clearly this is a problematic user through and through, and she should remain permanently banned". Well, here's the thing. While it's true that her ban was originally permanent, it was actually shortened by Dragonmasterxyz, a now retired admin.
The reason her current ban is permanent is because she, herself, requested the ban, and was never able to have it lifted again due to her reputation (people thought it was just permanent period, instead of with a caveat) and also communications breaking down between her and staff members. Now, I should point out that she did still do sockpuppeting throughout the duration of her first revised ban (3 months), so she still has that blemish on her record, along with her original infraction.
However, we are by technicality keeping a user banned beyond the date of its expiry without them wanting to be banned anymore. I have also checked in with a user and a former bureau from to verify her story, and her recent behavior. I believe she is legible to be allowed to join the wiki again, on a trial period.
If said period goes badly as a result of her behavior, I will take personal responsibility, and she will be banned permanently again. But I do believe there is value to letting her at least try to show she's improved.
