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  • I have a question. Does a infinitely sized universe with infinite timelines, realities, and realms qualify for Low 2-C?
    ThePirateKing777
    ThePirateKing777
    I think i see what your saying. So different times of the universe could quality as multiversal in a sense. Even if these said timelines or spacetime continuums are contained within "a greater universe" or something like that?
    Agnaa
    Agnaa
    Well, sometimes fiction does have misleading names like that, where "timelines" are contained within "a greater universe" which would effectively be a multiverse.
    ThePirateKing777
    ThePirateKing777
    Yeah I agree. Thanks for your time.
    Yo~ Just asking, it had nothing to do with fictions.
    Since afaik, is the extension of real number line is it uncountable? I mean being aleph-1 equivalent in set theory.
    GreatIskandar14045
    GreatIskandar14045
    Also I found this pic (a the compactification of real line from 0 to ∞), is this the same infinity? And is it uncountable?
    Agnaa
    Agnaa
    So for the last question, is infinity () has the same size as aleph-0?

    I have three sorta conflicting ways of answering this, and I'm not sure which is correct, but I'm pretty sure one of them is:
    1. Calculus and ZFC are completely different formal systems. It doesn't make much sense to ask whether one thing in one system has the same size as another thing in another, since they operate under fundamentally different rules.
    2. They have the same size, infinity in calculus is just "A number larger than all real numbers". ZFC takes that concept and then extends off of it using set theory, but the initial "Number larger than all real numbers" it declares is omega, which has a size of aleph-0.
    3. With the way infinity is treated in calculus, it could really be considered equivalent to any infinity in ZFC. Where there appear to be differences is merely because infinity just breaks a lot of stuff, but ZFC tries to find proper ways of handling it.
    Also I found this pic (a the compactification of real line from 0 to ∞), is this the same infinity? And is it uncountable?

    It's very similar, but the difference is that in that pic (of the projectively extended real line), positive infinity and negative infinity are the same. While with the topic of our earlier discussion (the affinely extended real line), positive infinity and negative infinity are distinct. However, it is still not uncountable.
    GreatIskandar14045
    GreatIskandar14045
    I see, thank you very much in advance.
    hey Agnaa
    sorry the bother but can you tell me all the weapons Monica Pinkston can transform/use?
    also why she has high mid- low high regen?
    and how many weapons she can transform at once?
    Sup. Does a character having the same number of dimensions (in his/her existence), as a temporal dimension, equate to Immeasurable speed? Like for example, a character has 7D existence, and the temporal dimension of that verse is also 7D. Logically that should be Immeasurable, since their existence allows them to move along those axes no problem, right?
    Agnaa
    Agnaa
    I have no idea.
    Yo Agnaa, since 2^aleph-1 is literally the power set of infinite^infinite, would it be infinite^infinite^infinite, or (infinite^infinite)^(infinite^infinite)?
    Agnaa
    Agnaa
    With the weird unnatural way you grouped it, "infinite^infinite^infinite" and "(infinite^infinite)^(infinite^infinite)" would be identical. But by default, exponentiation isn't grouped like the latter, and infinite^infinite^infinite^infinite, by default grouped as "infinite^(infinite^(infinite^(infinite)))" would be aleph-3.

    Also, I'm sure this is what you meant, but just in case, 2^aleph-1 isn't the power set of infinite^infinite, but aleph-1 is.
    GreatIskandar14045
    GreatIskandar14045
    I see thanks answering. So aleph-2 is (infinite^(infinite^(infinite)), right?
    Agnaa
    Agnaa
    Ye.
    Hey sorry for disturb your time, i wanna ask something.

    Does SCP-3125's passive attack can comparable to immeasurable speed?
    Agnaa
    Agnaa
    Because he didn't resist it, 682 was much weaker back then, 3309 just decided that it didn't want to be taken advantage of to remove every anomaly that The Foundation didn't like, so they empowered one instead of removing that. After that, The Foundation did stop using it willy-nilly. Basically, it's not an automatic process, it's the humans on the Swann layer deciding that an article is shit and deleting it.

    If you were to use the feat, it wouldn't just be "resisting EE and plot manip", it would be a far weaker 682 rewriting reality and history to make itself more powerful, and make it so that it was always more powerful.

    I don't know what you mean by "Fundamental Concept".
    RALFdoang
    RALFdoang
    I mean is Narrative in scp is an idenpendent concept just like Noosphere, and manipulating it will get CM1?
    Agnaa
    Agnaa
    I don't see a reason for that to be the case.
    Agnaa
    Agnaa
    I was in some threads about it 2.5-3 years ago but I soon lost interest in debating it. There's just too much lore & shit for me to want to go through, and I eventually wanted to have comprehensive knowledge about verses I continually discuss; I don't wanna be in CRTs for verses with lore I don't care about just because I enjoy the gameplay.

    Also, I haven't actually played dota in over 2 years. I played 2 matches 3 months ago and that's it. Haven't seen the anime (nor do I know anything about it besides that it exists), and haven't played Artifact in 1.5 years.
    Ecstasy_Amphetamine
    Ecstasy_Amphetamine
    too much lore
    That's the opposite of what Valve games have lol. Dota 2 lore is in a limbo right now and the anime isn't really helping us understand a vast majority of what makes up Dota 2's universe.

    Anyways, I understand your lack of interest on it. Stay safe bro.
    Agnaa
    Agnaa
    Reading 100+ hero bios is not what I booted up my DotA client for, basically. I know it'd end up being less lore than other series I debate, so ig it'd be more accurate to say "Too much lore for how much I care."

    You stay safe too, buddy.
    Hi Agnaa, one question about the Tiering system
    If the page Tiering system explanation has explained and accepted Aleph Hierarchy is equivalent to Aleph 2 is equivalent to Aleph 1's power set (so distance larger than add dimensions)
    So why are the verses using the hierarchy of Aleph numbers like SCP (5800 and acidverse) and Discord (old version and tier) only Low-1A and not 1A+ even though they possess uncountable infinite aleph numbers that apply to cosmology and has been accepted ? Not intending to upgrade (at least for now), just curious how the wiki treats it, I also consulted the Unsong Revision and still think it weird and nonsense
    Rabbit2002
    Rabbit2002
    Well, the fact that other worlds including these higher planes evolved from the main universe is not quite literal, but instead implies the universe itself is the anchor point of all other worlds, if without a main universe, these would not be "anchored" and vanish to Voru - unreal sea
    "This leads to an important note: our universe is what keeps all other anchored. If ours falls to Voruteut invasion, so do the rest. Escape through Ways is not on option."
    "

    The Voru​

    If one compares the Second Hytoth to an island, then the Voru is the sea of unreality surrounding it. No order governs it. Things defying our understanding pop in and out of being, sometimes lasting long enough to give the illusion of structure. It is possible to briefly enter the Voru — originating in reality grants degrees of stability — but in long durations it is destined for failure. Destabilization will set in, in the best cases causing death or, worse, turning one into a Voruteut.

    The largest opening to the Voru is the Voreik. Deliberate attempts and simple random fluctuations in reality can create further holes, but these stay short lived. Tales of multiverse travelers moving down so many dimensions that they fall out of existence and into the Voru have been told, but the validity of these have been debated. It is the same case with claims of spotting worlds in the Voru beyond the Second Hytoth.

    With these unknowns there is only one certainty: what lies out there cannot be allowed in."
    Agnaa
    Agnaa
    Yeah but it'd be really weird for each higher existential plane to be a higher infinity, which could casually nuke our universe with no issue, if our universe is the anchor point without which the rest would fall.
    Rabbit2002
    Rabbit2002
    But isn't it also the anchor point of infinite other universes? Things can also easily nuke our universe
    i heard about you from weekly battles. could you help me with scp-953. (i made it. just want you to help me with the speed and lifting strength cause i'm not sure)

    Agnaa
    Agnaa
    I can't be of much help with that since I'm not familiar with the SCP, but I can at least try to get it un-deleted.
    Pokemonfan807
    Pokemonfan807
    okay thanks.

    could you try.
    Greetings. Agnaa do you know where can I get medaka box light novel?
    Agnaa
    Agnaa
    Do you mean where you can order them in Japanese for yourself, or where you can read English translations?
    Secretly_domain
    Secretly_domain
    Yeah, I mean the English translations
    Agnaa
    Agnaa
    You can find the translations for both Good Loser Kumagawa novels here. Medaka Box Juvenile only has a few chapters translated so far, but if you want to get started, it's linked to here.
    Sorry to bother you Agnaa.

    I made a sandbox about the reactions page and I CRT'd it here. Your opinion would be extremely appreciated!
    Ayyy m8, I want your thoughts on something if you don't mind. Since you're one of the biggest experts of Medaka Box in the community (I've finished the manga a few months back myself), and just wanna know your thoughts on a certain match; that being Misogi vs Giorno. I can't make a thread on it since they all keep getting closed, so I'm just wondering who you think would win between the two of them. I personally lean Misogi, but more thoughts wouldn't hurt.
    Agnaa
    Agnaa
    It depends on interpretations of GER's mechanics that aren't fleshed out enough; namely, whether GER can revert actions whose cause has been erased, and whether GER always stops attacks before they land, even from infinite-speed opponents.

    If GER can revert erased causes and always stops attacks from infinite-speed opponents, then GER will undo everything Misogi tries to do, and stop Bookmaker before it lands, so it'll be inconclusive.

    If GER can't do one of those, then he'll either be unable to bring Giorno back from EE, or be unable to deal with Bookmaker.

    I think the match is a pretty bad one in the first place. They pretty much do the same thing, except Misogi's has more explanation, and has added abilities on top. Matching two characters who have the same power, except one has other broken powers on top of it is kinda bad form, and prolly why the threads were closed.
    Anthomideus
    I'm late lol. Anyways, thanks for the reply.
    Hey ^^ I’d like to ask you about separate universal space times if you’re free, it would would move this thread along.
    Comicgyal
    Comicgyal
    In a thread we’re having a bit of an argument, a god tier in the verse created 3 dimensions inside of this sphere. My claim is that these universes (the dimensions) are separate space times, not apart of the main spacetime. In their universe there are three realities layered over each other, each of which share a space time. So I’m saying that because these universes are not apart of this structural layer, it’s spacetime operates differently.

    Same for another realm called Muspelheim, which is a universe cut off from the flow of time (however time passes) that is also not included in the main structure. Because of this I believe that it’s timeflow is also different than the rest.

    Can you please give me your thoughts? I can provide scans if need be.
    Agnaa
    Agnaa
    Sorry that's too in the weeds of actual verse mechanics for me. I have a pretty bad track record at evaluating where series actually land within our system, I mostly just debate the nature of our system itself.
    Comicgyal
    Comicgyal
    Okay, thanks anyways!
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    Hey, about SCP
    1/ Why is the Uncountable infinite dimensions statement from Acidverse not higher than L1A? I mean throughout quote uncountably infinite number of aleph numbers and Space containing all the worlds/spatial dimensions corresponding to them is called "real world" without regard to any "more real" meaning and everything literally fills that space. The heavy implication is that the "Real world" is actually the world that is essentially a set of reals according to Paul Cohen and the inconsistency of CH with ZFC. And we know it's not just an Aleph-Aleph one, but a lot bigger. So why aren't they more than L1A?
    "Unfortunately, the world is not dynamic. Everything's already over, I've already read it. All of this? It's just going through the motions. This is just a tiny subset of the world at large. I'd call it the 'real' word, but it's just as real as we are in here. The larger space that we're in… much larger, in fact, uncountably infinite expanses in uncountably infinite dimensions… we fill that space. And yet, here, we're discretised. Collapsed into words and nothing more, even if we're something so much greater.

    See, sometimes the infinite can be reduced to something simpler. Look here: ℵ0 and ℵ1 and ℵ2 and so on. Simple, yes, but they can each contain the world. You can glimpse it, if you look hard enough. Just breathe in, breathe out. Think about infinity. Not just countable, but uncountable, and the dimension of it goes up into uncountability too. If you think you've really understood it, you aren't thinking hard enough. Sure, zoom past the pitstops. 5, 23, 3333. They're all beautiful, but so horrendously finite. Fly past it all and keep going and going. Minds have died wishing for a fraction of what I can see. So breathe slowly, and think about it.

    Really think about it, and the world seems like nothing.

    I hope you've been paying attention.

    ~ David Ferris"
    http://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/acidverse

    "A point of view which the author [Cohen] feels may eventually come to be accepted is that CH is obviously false. The main reason one accepts the axiom of infinity is probably that we feel it absurd to think that the process of adding only one set at a time can exhaust the entire universe. Similarly with the higher axioms of infinity. Now {\displaystyle \aleph _{1}}\aleph _{1} is the cardinality of the set of countable ordinals, and this is merely a special and the simplest way of generating a higher cardinal. The set {\displaystyle C}C [the continuum] is, in contrast, generated by a totally new and more powerful principle, namely the power set axiom. It is unreasonable to expect that any description of a larger cardinal which attempts to build up that cardinal from ideas deriving from the replacement axiom can ever reach {\displaystyle C}C.

    Thus {\displaystyle C}C is greater than {\displaystyle \aleph {n},\aleph _{\omega },\aleph _{a}}\aleph_n, \aleph\omega, \aleph_a, where {\displaystyle a=\aleph {\omega }}a = \aleph\omega, etc. This point of view regards {\displaystyle C}C as an incredibly rich set given to us by one bold new axiom, which can never be approached by any piecemeal process of construction. Perhaps later generations will see the problem more clearly and express themselves more eloquently."

    2/ There are many claims implied heavily that the Tree of Knowledge is really the entire SCP narrative written by Swan 001. So if this is true then TOK is really L1A and God tiers can be scaled from them?
    Rabbit2002
    Rabbit2002
    One question: Is Isabel's profile declared to be nuked? Would this affect the crts associated with her (actually I was going to do something more like scalling and add hax for God tiers instead Tiers, however this worries me)
    Agnaa
    Agnaa
    I don't think there's plans to nuke Isabel's profile.

    I asked Ultima about what you said about the acidverse quote, here's his response:
    He seems to be interpreting the use of "real world" there as meaning "set of reals." No clue why, though.

    Rest just seems to be him referring to Forcing, which is a method in set theory where you can extend the Universal Set of ZFC with new elements and basically inflate the continuum to be any size you want.

    But, again, I've got no clue why he is making all these associations. The text doesn't seem to make reference to any of that.
    Rabbit2002
    Rabbit2002
    Thanks for this
    If the ultima said so then I can ignore it
    One question is related to the CRT of the God tiers hax: does this make the Tier higher or is it just an extremely VIP type 2 concept?
    So, the big difference between pre-Pattern (the High Mythic era) physics and Pattern physics is that High Mythic physics were top down vs reality's bottom up physics model.

    In the real world, you have a basic set of principle and actors, and different permutations of those gets you different things at different organizational levels. Different configurations of atoms make up different molecules, different configurations of subatomic particles create different types of atoms, ect. Also, everything that is shares the same model.

    The High Mythic worked more along the lines of Platonic Forms, with the caveat that not all Forms are equal. Each Form defines the fundamental essence of what it is to be a particular thing, which finds expression at lower orders of organization. These expressions are referred to as Shadows. It should be noted that Shadows can also be Forms at their order of organization.

    Interactions between Forms and Shadows are largely ad hoc affairs, determined by the Forms and Shadows involved. If you have two Shadows of the same Form, they will interact according to the principles of that Form. In other cases1, they're gonna have to figure out how they interact. This is less a process of physics and more a process of politics, and the Shadow that is part of the highest Form involved will almost always get to set the terms.

    Example 1
    In reality, you walk along the surface of a planet. You can trace that down across organizational layers and you'll find the same actors and principles at work in each. Both you and the planet have protons, neutrons and electrons for example. The principles of the electro-weak that keep you from falling through the earth apply to both you and planet.
    In the High Mythic, lets say that you are a Z-Level expression of the Z+1 Form of Humanity, walking across the surface of the Earth, which is ultimately an expression of the Z+2 Form of planet.
    Lets say this is the first interaction of Human and Planet at any Z level.
    Humanity starts off by contacting the Z+1 Shadows of Planet that Earth is a Shadow of. Human explains the basics of what Humanity is, in particular the concept of "walk". Planet has seen concepts similar to "walk" before, and decides that the precedents allow expressions of Human to exercise "walk" on expressions of Ground.
    Human explains that it would really like to exercise "walk" on expressions of Sky as well. Sky chimes in that it has not previously agreed to this, having a strict contract with "fly" and its affiliated concepts. Human does not posses "fly", but wishes to move through Sky so it becomes insistent. It wishes to exercise "walk" with Sky.
    Planet informs Human that it is bigger, stronger and has precedent on its side. Human seeks mediation from other Forms at Z+1 and Z+2, but they all agree that Planet is in the right.
    Therefore, expressions of Human can "walk" on expressions of Ground, but not Sky. Furthermore, Sea and its subsidiaries chimes in to inform Human that, while in the past it has allowed some Forms to express "walk" with it, Human can piss off for giving Sky so much trouble.
    A Form or Shadow's place in the hierarchy is not fixed. Forms that share an organizational level can band together, combining their concepts into a Tribe. Once a Tribe has reached a certain conceptual weight they have a few options. They can bud, creating a new Form at their organizational level, or they can ascend, creating a new higher level Form crystallized around the concepts of the Tribe.
    It is important to note that the new Form will be more than the sum of its parts. The Form will begin to express new Shadows of its own. Usually, Forms that were not Shadows of already existing Forms will become Shadows of this new Form.

    Example 2
    Human (at Z+2 in this example), wishes to traverse Sea. A Z+1 Shadow of Human is the Form Craftsman. Craftsman gets together some Z+1 old friends: the Forms Rowboat, Plank (a budding of Craftsman, Saw and several Z+1 Shadows of Wood), Nail, Hammer and a few others, and forms a Tribe. That Tribe then ascends, propelling Rowboat upwards into the Z+2 Form Ship.
    Ship begins to cast Shadows. The first is Rowboat, the Form it used to be. In addition, it begins casting Sailing Ship, Steamship, Ironclad, Kayak, ect.
    Ship is grateful to Human, so agrees to negotiate with Sea. Ship gains the right to exercise "sail" with Sea. However, since Sea is still bitter about Human giving Sky trouble, Sea demands that if Ship allows Human the right to "walk" or "ride" on it, then Ship has to accept Sea's right to "sink" Ship. This is problematic, because Human had already agreed to "drown" in exchange for the right to "swim"
    One final note is that higher Forms are not beholden to their Shadows. You cannot damage the Form Ship by damaging a particular expression of Ship.

    Example 3
    In reality, you build a wooden sailing ship. Then you take away all the planks you used to build the ship. Then you try to sail to England2. You are an idiot that jumped into the ocean carrying a bunch of sails and nails and what have you, because the ship no longer exists..
    In High Mythic, Plank leaves the Tribe that created Ship. It is still possible for Ship to express Shadows that include concepts from Plank.
    The Pattern is an anomaly in this system. It is a basal level Form that extends its Shadows upwards through the organization levels instead of down. Additionally, its conceptual mass is immense, giving it near overwhelming negotiating power (in the same way a gun grants someone negotiating power when deciding of another party lives or dies). Lastly, and most horrifically from the -C perspective, the Pattern can effect higher Forms through their Shadows. This is a bit like being able to knock someone down by kicking their mother's shadow in the legs.

    More humorously, the Pattern is the Platonic Ideal of Order standing on its head and kicking the legs out from under all the other Ideals.
    Agnaa
    Agnaa
    Rabbit2002
    Rabbit2002
    Light and Dark exist, but HWMD and HWML have no connection to them, but are instead states of One Supreme Being that is unconscious and conscious. Consciousness/self-awareness of that entity is God/Light/All-Might is the very Concept of existence, Unconscious is Darkness or nothingness/Absence of Everything representing the sleep of that Entity. Isabel is light and All-Death is darkness, but due to the transduality nature of that entity, each is simultaneously all that the other has (All-death is a child of Darkness but he is also Darkness itself and everything that was and will exist in Light and Darkness)
    In the beginning, there was darkness. All was formless waste and empty void - The quiet nothing without time or place, the gentle sleep that has no waking.

    All was still.

    Nothing stirred in the darkness.

    Then there was light.

    The light separated the Darkness Above from the Darkness Beneath, and there was disparity between them. Between the darkness and the light there was also disparity, and shadows flickered therein.

    The light shone in the darkness, and was not overcome. Likewise the darkness was not destroyed, but given form both Above and Below.

    From the darkness came the Eldest, the All-Death. He came from the darkness and was of the darkness and was the darkness, and nothing to come might pass beyond him. Vast and mighty was he, that no other might comprehend the reach of his arm, or the length of his gaze.

    The Eldest sat by the light and watched it for a time, for he found the light good.

    The All-Death was not proud, firstborn though he was. He encompassed all that was and would be within the light and the dark, and so knew the manner of its turning and the hour of its passing. Only he might care for the light and what was to come, for only the Death of All Things might reach so far and be so just.

    He wakes Isabel. He leads her up the mountainside. He can go no further, but the way will lead home, he says. He does not say goodbye, vanishing in a swirl of snow when Isabel’s head is turned.

    In the cave, there is darkness.

    In the darkness, there is nothing.

    It is not the absence of light; it is the dark of the absence of everything.

    Voices rise from the darkness. A chorus, a chant, an old song rising up from nothing…

    And Isabel whispers…

    “I raised up my hand…

    …And there was fire.”

    The flame dances, and in its light, there is Isabel and the multitudes of memory. Each Wonder-Maker and Fire Bringer back to the beginning, unbroken and unforgotten. She is of their number, and they are of her. She knows the secret now. Behind all things that exist, there is existence.

    She will save her friend.

    Q: What is Yahweh, the Judeo-Christian god?

    A:
    Essentially, it is a sort of self-aware echo. Essentially, there had been some of the more direct influence in the past ("Yo Adam check out this shit it's neato"), and it reverbed around for quite some time.

    She sank into the darkness, and faded.

    And she heard a voice. Two voices. More. A chorus, rising up from the dark.

    I know of the names of the stars

    And sung the animals their names
    And discerned the course of the winds
    I hold the heart of all stories within my breast

    And mark the kinship of the beasts of the land
    And know the land as friend
    Who first looked up?

    Who first loved?
    Who held the first child?
    It was I.

    It was I.
    It was I.
    Who seeks beyond the horizon? (It is I)

    Who makes real the future? (It is I)
    Who carries the past? (It is I)
    By wonders untold, the gift to create wonder

    It was I
    Who was gifted in humility
    In creation I am made

    In creation I am whole
    In creation, I create
    And the span of humanity rests in me

    For I raised up my hand

    “And there was fire…” Isabel whispered. A flame, delicate and small, flickered to life in her palm. She picked herself up off the ground, and the fire in her hand grew brighter, warmth and light pouring out, casting away the darkness.

    She stood in a vast cave, the hollow heart of the mountain, now illuminated by the fire in her hand. Statues of stone, plaster, copper, steel, wax, clockwork, plastic, wood, refuse, and rubber filled the floor, peeked out of alcoves, clung to stalactites, sat carved in pillars. Paintings were spread across the walls in oil and ash and store-bought tempera, mosaics across the floor in tile and shell and bone. Men and women of the whole spectrum of humanity, from every age, from every place, from every time, thousands upon thousands upon tens of thousands upon more. Among these were other figures. Assistants, apprentices, companions, human and animal alike, all as varied as their employers.

    Isabel walked alongside the stream towards its source, and was awed.

    In the center of the cave, there was a pool of water, fed by a spring, and a great stone column that reached up to the shadowed dome of the ceiling. A face of the column had been cut to provide a flat face, and upon it, Isabel saw an image of herself, standing there, legs akimbo, fists on hips, grinning goofily. Emma stood next to her, unflappable as always, and Jeremy sat at her feet, chewing on a squeaky toy.

    At the base of the pillar was a smaller stone, upon which was, in black and ochre, the figure of a man in furs, holding a spear in one hand, and a fire in the other, alongside a great grey wolf.

    “It’s me…” Isabel murmured. “It’s all me…it’s always been me…” She whirled around. “It’s all me! Memories of you! You’re all me! All of this is me!” She no longer saw statues and paintings, but a vast multitude, their faces as familiar as her own. She knew them. She knew their names, their histories, the twined and bundled paths of their lives. Each facet of their souls was a face of her own.

    She knew each and every wonder they had made. She knew them all, the greying bishop with a sack full of toys and his fat, red-coated brother. The girl with deep orange hair and purple thigh-high boots, obscured by a cloud of moths. The dusty woman with a bonnet, sitting atop her medicine wagon. The smirking man with waves of hair and an accordion. The dark woman with a headscarf, who smelled of ink and paper. The serious, pale woman with a worn guitar and a weathered soul. The ancient tinkerer with his clockwork animals. The entrepreneur from the north in her flamboyant blue sealskins. The lanky man in a tacky purple suit, with top hat and cane. The girl with braces and glow in the dark sweater, sitting atop a wild boar. The old man and his wolf, and on and on down through the thousands.

    And her father. Jeremy sat at his feet. The corgi waddled over, to Isabel, barked, and she picked him up.

    “Don’t you ever do that again, young man,” she said with mock sternness. She looked over to where she saw the image of her father – herself – standing. He gave her a nod.

    And that was that.

    Isabel stood there in the presence of all her other selves, her spirit now unified with theirs, and knew precisely who she was, what she was doing, and where she was going.

    She was Isabel Wonder-Maker, and she was going to find her friend.

    Youngest and Middle appear for a moment startled, but accept the sign that has been made. Their duties completed, they fade into their own deaths and coalesce back into the dark form of the Eldest.

    There is nothing at all now. Only the Death of All, and the Maker of Wonders.

    She holds out her hand.

    “Shall we dance?”

    All-Death takes it gently.

    “As we did in the beginning.”

    They dance there at the end, eldest son of greatest dark and the light that was his opposite. They spin and twirl about each other, orbiting bodies drawn closer. Their forms brush, intertwine, become one. There is no beginning nor end to the light or darkness now, only the soft notes of completion.

    Fade to black.

    After a time, Isabel speaks:

    “The end of the world goes like this: Everyone lived happily ever after.”
    Agnaa
    Agnaa
    The person I asked on Discord about that is convinced and think that HWMD/HWML should be downgraded from that.
    Can I get ultima profile username?or his tags please.
    Teezar
    Teezar
    Sorry I meant on discord
    Agnaa
    Agnaa
    You should ask him directly, I don't feel comfortable giving out someone else's information like that.
    Teezar
    Teezar
    He said I should send him the scans I want to. But I told him in his discord as I don't wanna post them here. He hasn't replied when I asked him.
    I don't wanna start creating links that's why. But I understand.
    Hello, Agnaa. I’m having a bit of a problem. Someone is insisting I upgrade the characters from this verse to 9-B+ yet they’re not doing a very good job helping me understand why. Would you like to see the conversation? Or maybe is there somewhere else I can go to ask about this?
    Agnaa
    Agnaa
    If you link me the conversation I might give it a glance, but if it's too long/involved I won't.
    SuperDino85
    Hello Agnaa, i have a question about kumagawa speed, the profile said that he can make his time zero with all fiction, is it infinite speed or not ?
    Touryu
    Touryu
    Hello again, is there a scan for it (inf speed)? Or it is something that written on the guidebook?

    And how do you resist Bookmaker in general?

    What range is needed to affect kumagawa soul in Ajimu classroom? Or how do you kill him permanently?
    Touryu
    Touryu
    Would you like to answer my other question agnaa? Especially number 3.
    Sorry for interrupt
    Agnaa
    Agnaa
    Oh sorry, I didn't realize you'd asked me questions, since this is quite far down on my profile.
    1. The second GLK chapter has it, but I don't have scans of it on me, and it'd take a while to find.
    2. You resist Bookmaker by resisting its effects. Power Null resistance stops the power null, Stat Reduction resistance stops the stat reduction, Sealing resistance stops both of those, Durability Negation stops him from spawning it inside someone, it'd be harder for Kumagawa to land but the opponent wouldn't be immune.
    3. I don't think Kumagawa's "soul" goes to Ajimu's classroom. It seems to be the presence of the Ajimu in his heart that he sees when unconscious/dying.
    4. You kill Kumagawa permanently with resurrection nullification, power null, EE, nonexistent attacks, and acausal attacks.
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    Hello, Sr I wanna apologize with you due to my behaviur in the deletion thread. I was a bit Grumpy due to the profile I worked on during a month to be deleted, thanks for understand..
    Yo, I saw the thread about Big Bangs being Low 2-C, and saw it was a staff thread, so I wanted to get your feedback about this as well as something to potentially have addressed in the thread: Couldn't Einstein's theory of general relativity, which in essence says that time, space and matter are co-relative, be used to justify a Low 2-C Big Bang?
    Agnaa
    Agnaa
    Nope. There are two main issues with that:
    1. We need to account for how verses which incorrectly present the big bang as just an explosion of physical matter.
    2. Low 2-C isn't just "space and time were affected", it requires a character to affect the entire timeline, which for a big bang requires generating time and space when they didn't exist before, not just expanding them.
    Space and time being linked doesn't change any of this.
    ZoroNotZolo
    ZoroNotZolo
    Interesting. I was just wondering out of curiosity. Thanks for the feedback, though!
    Hello, is an infinite^infinite 4D plane being equate to 5D plane works the same as "0^0 = 1"?

    Since I heard the innacessible difference between lower and higher dimensions is like 0 to 1, which the 0 being the non-existent of extra spatial axis.
    Accel0305
    Accel0305
    Okay, I see. In that case, the part that I just emboldened from my previous message would also hold false, correct?
    Agnaa
    Agnaa
    The AP advantage is arguable. And frankly, I'd expect hax to matter a lot more.
    Accel0305
    Accel0305
    Yeah, fair point. Thanks for the clarification
    Hello. I'm reading the Upscaling Thread and I have a suggestion. I'll use the Mountain level Tier as the my example.

    The Tier starts at 100 Megatons and the limit is 1000 Megatons. 1000 + 100 = 1100/2 = 550, this is the number we give a +. If the 2/4 of Tier is enough to get a +, what if we consider 3/4 to be enough to upscale?

    275 is 1/4, 550 is 2/4 and 825 is 3/4 of the Tier. 825 Megatons is 1.21212121212x below 1000 Megatons. It's based on the current system we use.

    That's my suggestion.
    Agnaa
    Agnaa
    I've both posted, and responded to this suggestion in the thread.
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    Hello Agnaa,
    I did a tally for staff opinion in the upscaling thread.

    Keep upscaling within a specific multiplier to next tier (4): DemonGodMitchAubin (1.5x, fine with 1.3x), Antvasima (1.5x is a strict guideline with enough leeway), KLOL506 (1.1x to 1.3x), Schnee_One (1.5x, fine with 1.3x)

    Keep upscaling but didn't recommend a specific upper limit (8): AKM sama, Mr._Bambu, Shadowbokunohero, DarkDragonMedeus, Agnaa, Soldier_Blue, Armorchompy (finds 1.3x too conservative, but prefers no set multiplier), LordGriffin1000

    Remove upscaling (6): Damage3245, Qawsedf234, DontTalkDT (thinks it will probably be a pain to apply though), Antoniofer, Abstractions, Wokistan

    Overall it is agreed upon that there should be more scrutiny when applying upscaling to a character, and those who want to keep upscaling prefer a case-by-case basis.
    Damage (and possibly Qawsedf234) is fine with universal 'stomp multipliers' which are applied regardless of tier increase, but prefers removing upscaling.
    Hi there, I just wanted to ask what is the range of SCP-3143’s ‘flattening’?
    Agnaa
    Agnaa
    Probably around a few kilometers. Its best feat is flattening a site, but I don't think we get exact measurements for it.
    OriginFox
    OriginFox
    Oh okay, thanks.
    Hello, I had a small question regarding the cosmology of SCP. Was this blog ever addressed in a thread and if so, could you perhaps link it? Thank you.
    Agnaa
    Agnaa
    I remember addressing it somewhere, let me see if I can dig it up...

    It had way more issues than just the chaoskampf thing.
    Agnaa
    Agnaa
    I addressed it in this reply.

    In short, the quotes either aren't as high as he says they are, can't combine in the way he suggests, aren't usable due to rating issues, or already scale to everyone they legitimately scale to on the profiles as they are.
    Guardian_Doge
    Guardian_Doge
    Thank you Agnaa!
    Hey agnes, sorry to bother but I have a question on 3812

    How high is he into 1-A+ and how fast he transcends cus I have found different stuff out there

    Some say he is not that high and that his transending takes time, while other say he is infinitely into 1-A+ and trandsend instantly
    Sorry to bother you but do you still wanna do that monogatari CRT?
    Agnaa
    Agnaa
    Oh shit that's awesome.

    We don't see him doing it without permission, but he's the source of Azra Livbar's powers, they both do the same spirit world stuff, and she's done it to people presumably without their permission (many of them are confused when they're first sent over, and she once sent thousands over at once and I doubt she asked them all for permission).

    tl;dr probably but we don't get explicit confirmation.
    ThisThingisReallyBroken
    ThisThingisReallyBroken
    hmm...

    Thanks dude!
    Agnaa
    Agnaa
    (Also, if you wanna keep messaging me can you make a new post? It's hard for me to check for replies here since people have left newer posts on my profile)
    Agnaa
    Agnaa
    It's fine, the original mediawiki page was more than enough to figure out how to use it.

    I'll repost my old explanation of the blog post comments thing which includes screenshots.

    Blogs used to display the number of total comments rather than just the number of comment threads. Right now it's the latter which makes checking for blog evaluations much more annoying. If you don't quite get what I mean, in this screenshot it shows my blog as having two comments, while it used to show it having 17 comments, as it had that many replies in two comment chains. Since calc members often leave follow-up evaluations in replies, this makes it more difficult to know when members have commented further.
    Agnaa
    Agnaa
    By the way, another little annoyance I found, despite my default editor being the source editor, and despite it almost always defaulting to that, whenever I create a blogpost it defaults to the new visual editor, and when switching to the source editor after typing in that visual editor, instead of switching it instead displays an error that "This blog page does not exist".

    Is there anyone I should be forwarding this to instead of handing it to you directly?
    NoGround
    NoGround
    Yep, we got that bug on the list of things to fix. Had it for a while now, but atm, since it's just a minor annoyance, the priority is pretty low. Fandom knows, though. Thanks =)

    Btw I also sent that feature request in for blogposts, but as you probably guess bugs take priority over Feature Requests atm. Replies have been added to Notifications, though. (now they just need to make Notifications customizable so we can stop getting annoying upvote notifications)
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    Your comment: https://vsbattles.com/threads/steve-upgrade.80269/post-2734202
    I think the update is going to change that. Maybe just maybe...

    Nether Theory:
    Devs have said that the nether is not below the Overworld the eight to one ratio was inspired by the wheel of time book series and the advancement we need to go deeper is a reference to the movie inception where deeper doesn't refer to physical altitude there's also the advancement subspace bubble in reference to this mechanic further disproving the theory. Also I clearly remembered that in the Minecon 2019 Livestream answered that the Nether is separate dimension. But I forgot the time stamp.

    Aquatic Update:
    Before:
    -The people says Packed/Blue Ice doesn't melt is game mechanic.
    -The people says infinite basalt/cobblestone generator is game mechanic.
    After:
    -Packed Ice and Blue Ice doesn't melt because it's extremely necessary to have variants of Ice in the game. Packed ice is slippery, causing most entities to slide, including items. Blue ice is a solid block similar to packed ice and ice, but much more slippery and essential block to create basalt generator. Ice produces water when broken is Works As Intended, MC-100036. Packed ice produces water when broken is A Bug, MCPE-10385. Breaking ice creates water source block in the Nether is A Bug, MCPE-15052.
    -The basalt generator solidifies the fact that Minecraft physics was made to distinguish between Water and Blue Ice as they made basalt/cobblestone generator. By that logic then Minecraft physics was made to distinguish between all ice. Ice block, ice made from Frost Walker and Snow from the ground were the only thing that melt as Works As Intended. Packed Ice and Blue Ice was never made realistic. But it's safe to say that Snow Block never melt is game mechanic. But Blaze, Enderman and Strider that interacts snowy weather is weirdly Works As Intended, MC-194697 and MC-176689. Which further solidifies the fact that was made to distinguish between basalt generator and cobblestone generator, same thing to snowfall and rain. Therefore it's less about "temperature" and more about "physical interaction" between entities, items, blocks and biomes.

    Nether Update:
    Before: The people says respawn is game mechanic.
    After: The respawn anchor solidifies the fact that respawning is canon. The end poem be like "always has been"

    It has been clear a lot of game mechanic features being made become canon further in their updates.
    Now. This is my thoughts/prediction about Cave and Cliffs Update.

    In Cave and Cliffs Update:
    If the Bundles filled with item's weight can interact with more elaborate in redstone mechanics such as pressure plate, redstone comparator and maybe dispenser, it will further solidifies that stacks/slot/inventory is canon.

    I just wanna know your thoughts.
    Imma bookmark this talk cuz I making a collection of Minecraft Trivia.

    How All Fiction isn't 4D if it can erase the Consept of time itself?
    Agnaa
    Agnaa
    Because erasing the concept of time doesn't make an ability 4-D. It's just concept manip on time, no 4-D potency is required for that.

    You may as well ask "How isn't All Fiction 4D if it can freeze pools?"
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