Rule Violation Reports (New forum)

[Agnaa]

I find these new segments quoted by Bambu less rule-violatey than the parts quoted by Grath in the last report. And even those I struggle to consider a violation (closest I get would be "you know damn well what they mean, let's not pretend otherwise" for alleging the other interlocutor is deliberately lying, and "Because of people like you apparently" for making stat disagreement a personal matter). The hypocrisy is lame, but doesn't make it a violation imo.

In general, I don't view calling an argument bad (as calling something a strawman is), to be an insult or a particularly concerning allegation. I don't want to chill the ability of users to engage with arguments.

 

[GarrixianXD]

Reporting @Ped2018's behaviour here:

https://vsbattles.com/threads/devil-may-cry-a-lore-revision.175933/post-6945812

 

[Agnaa]

Reporting @Ped2018's behaviour here:

https://vsbattles.com/threads/devil-may-cry-a-lore-revision.175933/post-6945812

I, personally, saw those posts as a mild infraction. Not one that I really care about, so I was happy to leave it with just Glassman's informal warning.

But I understand if others want to do something more.

 

[Dereck03]

The most I could see was bit of tantrum on Ped's part, so I'm fine with Glassman's informal warning.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Reporting @Ped2018's behaviour here:

https://vsbattles.com/threads/devil-may-cry-a-lore-revision.175933/post-6945812

That's absolutely worthy of a warning. It's literally three responses of just the middle finger emote in a row.

 

[Ped2018]

It was two, actually, i deleted the quoted one because it seemed too personal and then made the "third one".

 

[Mr. Bambu]

It was two, actually, i deleted the quoted one because it seemed too personal and then made the "third one".

That's still three, but duly noted. Still worthy of a formal warning, can't exactly be allowing that to supplant discussion.

 

[Tatsumi504]

This is less of a report than it is a complaint and request for assistance. There's a growing problem that needs to be addressed before it gets any worse and it's prejudice against a group of supporters, that group being MGnF.

Certain individuals have made it their modus operandi to spread prejudice and hatred against anyone who remotely supports the verse with accusations such as this

MG fans think anyone who disagrees with them cannot read from all my interactions with them, as seen in Tatsumi's post and all of them's posts. They provide a toxic environment for arguing on the site with snide remarks.

If one were to check my replies (1st, 2nd) in the thread, not once did I ever accuse pain of not reading yet he has chosen to single me out specifically for some reason even after we've reached an impasse where after 1 or 2 replies we stop trying to convince each other and wait for staff.
Ironically, all their responses are indicative of one not actually reading the thread and I will also point out that the most recent report against pain was also on the issue of not reading someone's OP which pain admitted to so the so called accusations are no where near being baseless.
Here, pain's second reply moved to accusing me of insulting any and all opposition meanwhile, if one were to read my OP, you'll find that I did no such thing. It doesn't end with pain alone, @DaReaperMan chose to stick his nose where it didn't concern him thinking I was antagonizing someone who disagreed with me not realizing @NousGalia is a fellow MG goon as he calls us and wasn't disagreeing with me.

If one were to look into overall behavior, Pain is on the warning tracker meanwhile I'm not despite having a healthy amount of messages sent. Prior to the fiasco with Fujiwara, I was effectively nonexistent on this thread and have continued to remain so after.
In the last(?) spat we had against Fujiwara, staff had to step in on a personal level after investigating some things, it was found that the opposition were in fact ignoring things that were pretty basic so once again, our accusations aren't baseless. If my behavior is found to leave much to be desired as they've accused me of in the threads I've sent then dish out a warning or any fitting punishment, I'll take it, I simply request something be done about this stigmatization and false accusations before it develops into something like the last one again.

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

This is less of a report than it is a complaint and request for assistance. There's a growing problem that needs to be addressed before it gets any worse and it's prejudice against a group of supporters, that group being MGnF.

Certain individuals have made it their modus operandi to spread prejudice and hatred against anyone who remotely supports the verse with accusations such as this

If one were to check my replies (1st, 2nd) in the thread, not once did I ever accuse pain of not reading yet he has chosen to single me out specifically for some reason even after we've reached an impasse where after 1 or 2 replies we stop trying to convince each other and wait for staff.
Ironically, all their responses are indicative of one not actually reading the thread and I will also point out that the most recent report against pain was also on the issue of not reading someone's OP which pain admitted to so the so called accusations are no where near being baseless.
Here, pain's second reply moved to accusing me of insulting any and all opposition meanwhile, if one were to read my OP, you'll find that I did no such thing. It doesn't end with pain alone, @DaReaperMan chose to stick his nose where it didn't concern him thinking I was antagonizing someone who disagreed with me not realizing @NousGalia is a fellow MG goon as he calls us and wasn't disagreeing with me.

If one were to look into overall behavior, Pain is on the warning tracker meanwhile I'm not despite having a healthy amount of messages sent. Prior to the fiasco with Fujiwara, I was effectively nonexistent on this thread and have continued to remain so after.
In the last(?) spat we had against Fujiwara, staff had to step in on a personal level after investigating some things, it was found that the opposition were in fact ignoring things that were pretty basic so once again, our accusations aren't baseless. If my behavior is found to leave much to be desired as they've accused me of in the threads I've sent then dish out a warning or any fitting punishment, I'll take it, I simply request something be done about this stigmatization and false accusations before it develops into something like the last one again.

Nothing Pein said in the entire thread is report-worthy. If it were, I would've called them out right there and then.

DaReaperMan's comment is also not report-worthy, he is calling out behavior he finds wrong out of the simple fact he didn't know you were colleagues or were goofing around (in fact, didn't seemed so to me either, but since the comment was fairly tame I let it pass).

As for your specific comments, I don't appreciate the constant accusations of being disingenuous. Pein has a different interpretation. That is it.

 

[PrinceofPein]

Pain is on the warning tracker meanwhile I'm not despite having a healthy amount of messages sent

This is dishonest, you were topic banned from MG due to your toxic behaviours and insults. You are not on the warning tracker cause it was not added

I will also point out that the most recent report against pain was also on the issue of not reading someone's OP which pain admitted to so the so called accusations are no where near being baseless.

This is unrelated, but the report was seen as baseless, and nothing of note is happening.

Here, pain's second reply moved to accusing me of insulting any and all opposition meanwhile, if one were to read my OP, you'll find that I did no such thing. It doesn't end with pain alone, @DaReaperMan chose to stick his nose where it didn't concern him thinking I was antagonizing someone who disagreed with me not realizing @NousGalia is a fellow MG goon as he calls us and wasn't disagreeing with me.

If one were to look into overall behavior, Pain is on the warning tracker meanwhile I'm not despite having a healthy amount of messages sent. Prior to the fiasco with Fujiwara, I was effectively nonexistent on this thread and have continued to remain so after.
In the last(?) spat we had against Fujiwara, staff had to step in on a personal level after investigating some things, it was found that the opposition were in fact ignoring things that were pretty basic so once again, our accusations aren't baseless. If my behavior is found to leave much to be desired as they've accused me of in the threads I've sent then dish out a warning or any fitting punishment, I'll take it, I simply request something be done about this stigmatization and false accusations before it develops into something like the last one again.

You are here claiming someone is spreading hatred against you but here is literally what your posts contains

Beyond that is Anos feat of destroying the future world which pain wrote off as merely destroying possibilities in other words, hax which is untrue. The sheer confidence and mental gymnastics needed to say this is just baffling

This make all tier 2 and above feats impossible as well so this was frankly a stupid point presented out of desperation.

Now while all these can be said as you attacking the argument, so it nothing of note. You made it personal when you referred to as a narcissist cause I created a thread and got MG downgraded from 2-A to low 2-C. My arguments were deemed sufficient and accepted.

so I'll once again say that the downgrade thread was an absolute hogwash built on ignorance, lacking context and insight, narcissism(?) and a false sense of certainty.

In fact you also said anyone who makes an argument that you do not agree with it obtuse (slow and unintelligent)

Anyone who continues to make this argument is either just being obtuse or plainly stonewalling.

And that is after you said you edited that post 10 times to remove hostile remarks and all, I only wonder what the first post would have been like. But that is not all, this is MG fans in generally and just some snide comments you guys like making
@Tatsumi504 said to someone who disagreed with him

Stop cluttering my thread if you can't read it

@DemonKing021 said this in reply to me creating a thread to remove 2-A

Pein is one hell of a hater.. I thought last thread clarified it.

@EldemadeDityjon also said this

Besides, it's funny to see that the only agreement in that thread came from Tensura supporters, who have constant hate for MG. None of the knowledgeable members or supporters from other fandoms even agreed with Pain's headcanon.

Also, from the way they those people argue, you can already tell they are not open-minded to opposing arguments and are the type who like to push their own points no matter how wrong they are.

So do not come here and make some claim like you are a victim; I still stand by what I said; you and some MG fans think anyone who disagrees with you is stupid, hates MG or cannot read.

Also, this is not just for this recent 2 threads but just what you and some other fans of MG have been like in general. There is a reputation here and it is hard to simply wipe it off.

Edit: Just an addition
Let us not forget you @EldemadeDityjon calling me the R-word the first time I did the downgrade from 2-A to low 2-C for the verse. Or @EldemadeDityjon calling me stupid for creating a thread. I am not making a report for this or wanting anyone to be punished for what they said some time ago off-site; I just want it to be factored into the evaluation so everyone can know how they view anyone who disagrees with them.
Even though I have been treated like this in the past by MG fans, I read every thread with open mind and see the evidence one by one, and if it does not hold up to what I interpreted the standard to be, I have to disagree. It is called difference in opinion, that's how a battleboarding site works, it is not a cause for hard feelings.

@Tatsumi504 this is also you
Saying things like
1. For all the mentally weak people in this thread
2. Think a little bit
3. Each time you open your mouth your ignorance on the verse becomes clearer and clearer.
4. Man, this just keeps getting better and better. First staff and now a complete bystander is contradicting themselves. LMAO.
5. https://vsbattles.com/threads/a-small-discussion-on-maou-gakuin-resistances.154042/post-5775451

Oh. My. God. How is telling someone to think rude in anyway? Did you consider your teachers rude If they told you to think about something? Have you never had these directed at you before; "use your medula" "are you incapable of thinking for yourself", "make better use of your brain"? What word would you prefer I use? Ponder? Theorise?
This is the way I talk. All the jargon I end up typing here doesn't even amount to 1% of the vocabulary I use on a daily basis.
Shall I switch to the broken English I actually use in close circles and show you what true rudeness looks?

Also @Tatsumi504

I will not make fun of anyone who possesses some form of disability but I can only consider people who think of usage of the word "Ignorance" and being told "to think" as being mentally weak/vulnerable. There are places in the world where much more serious stuff is happening and this level of conversation is what bothers you? No thank you. I might just leave while leaving a comment that is clearly rude so that the accusation can be justified in your part.

 

[Tatsumi504]

Nothing Pein said in the entire thread is report-worthy. If it were, I would've called them out right there and then.

I did say it wasn't a report but a complaint and request

DaReaperMan's comment is also not report-worthy, he is calling out behavior he finds wrong out of the simple fact he didn't know you were colleagues or were goofing around (in fact, didn't seemed so to me either, but since the comment was fairly tame I let it pass).

I didn't say anything was wrong with it either. It was an example to show a constantly reoccurring pattern.

As for your specific comments, I don't appreciate the constant accusations of being disingenuous. Pein has a different interpretation. That is it.

If you would be so kind as to highlight where exactly? I'm the one having accusations directed at me while he was replying to others.

If one were to check my replies (1st, 2nd)

Pain singled me out specifically for throwing accusations but my only 2 comments on the thread shows no such thing. You've missed my point entirely

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

I did say it wasn't a report but a complaint and request

I didn't say anything was wrong with it either. It was an example to show a constantly reoccurring pattern.

So this is a waste of time.

If you would be so kind as to highlight where exactly? I'm the one having accusations directed at me while he was replying to others.

It only makes sense considering you didn't read the other thread and pain is leaving out the main arguments behind it.

Pain has also conveniently left out her clairvoyance as against standard precognition.

You're just choosing to ignore the thread to favor your headcanon.

Quit this flimsy distortion.

So just willingly ignore volume 7 where her powers were actually fleshed out in detail? Interesting but that is your style ig

here
All these comments trying to paint Pein as hiding, distorting or ignoring info, with the finishing touch of "that is your style".

You've missed my point entirely

The point is quite simple: Nothing needs to be done here. You need to stop antagonizing. Prove Pein is wrong and leave it at that.

 

[Tatsumi504]

This is dishonest, you were topic banned from MG due to your toxic behaviours and insults. You are not on the warning tracker cause it was not added

"Dishonest" but I never denied I was topic banned. I did mention the fiasco with Fujiwara as well. Said topic ban that was a result of you and fujiwara blowing what I said out of proportion.

While on the topic of Fujiwara, the first report against stemmed from her in which she lied that I had been reported multiple times trying to get me banned, unfortunately for her though, she encountered the sad reality that there were zero complaints about me and now in the end, she is the one who's permanently banned.

This is unrelated, but the report was seen as baseless, and nothing of note is happening.

The point was to highlight a recurring issue when it comes to you.

You are here claiming someone is spreading hatred against you but here is literally what your posts contains

Yes, expressing astonishment on my end is now spreading hateful remarks. Last I checked, calling an argument stupid isn't the same as calling someone stupid.

Now while all these can be said as you attacking the argument, so it nothing of note. You made it personal when you referred to as a narcissist cause I created a thread and got MG downgraded from 2-A to low 2-C. My arguments were deemed sufficient and accepted.

I perceive you as a narcissist, that's all there is to it.

In fact you also said anyone who makes an argument that you do not agree with it obtuse (slow and unintelligent)

And now you're twisting my words again like you always do. I said anyone who persisted on that single point, go ahead and quote where I said "anyone who disagrees with me".

And that is after you said you edited that post 10 times to remove hostile remarks and all, I only wonder what the first post would have been like.

A grave accusation as usual. As I remember correctly, my only edits to that long essay were to input staff votes. I'm pretty sure said staff can view a posts edit history so I'm imploring someone, anyone with the ability to do so, go through the original OP and see the heinous insults I hurled at anyone disagreeing with me.
Let's see if this too doesn't end up as another one of your numerous accusations against me.

But that is not all, this is MG fans in generally and just some snide comments you guys like making
@Tatsumi504 said to someone who disagreed with him

What a surprise, the same message I made clear for all to see when I linked dareaperman's message quoting it and was not me antagonizing someone who disagreed with me but chastising a fellow MG goon who was cluttering the thread

@DemonKing021 said this in reply to me creating a thread to remove 2-A

@EldemadeDityjon also said this

When did my existence begin to overlap with any of these two individuals?

So do not come here and make some claim like you are a victim; I still stand by what I said; you and some MG fans think anyone who disagrees with you is stupid, hates MG or cannot read.

At least now we have some progress. It is no longer "you MG fans" but "some of you MG fans". The distinction I sought is finally being made, now the name of good natured individuals won't be soiled for associating with a worthless individual such as myself.

Also, this is not just for this recent 2 threads but just what you and some other fans of MG have been like in general. There is a reputation here and it is hard to simply wipe it off.

When did I deny this or ask that it be wiped off?

Edit: Just an addition
Let us not forget you @EldemadeDityjon calling me the R-word the first time I did the downgrade from 2-A to low 2-C for the verse. Or @EldemadeDityjon calling me stupid for creating a thread. I am not making a report for this or wanting anyone to be punished for what they said some time ago off-site; I just want it to be factored into the evaluation so everyone can know how they view anyone who disagrees with them.
Even though I have been treated like this in the past by MG fans, I read every thread with open mind and see the evidence one by one, and if it does not hold up to what I interpreted the standard to be, I have to disagree. It is called difference in opinion, that's how a battleboarding site works, it is not a cause for hard feelings.

And we've recently come to respect that difference in opinion haven't we (you and I)? You state your thoughts, I give a counter, repeat at most 2x and stop, did it in this thread and the one before and yet...

@Tatsumi504 this is also you
Saying things like
1. For all the mentally weak people in this thread
2. Think a little bit
3. Each time you open your mouth your ignorance on the verse becomes clearer and clearer.
4. Man, this just keeps getting better and better. First staff and now a complete bystander is contradicting themselves. LMAO.
5. https://vsbattles.com/threads/a-small-discussion-on-maou-gakuin-resistances.154042/post-5775451

Also @Tatsumi504

Yeah all things that led to my topic ban, in other words, I already served the punishment for it.

Now you've still failed to address why you singled out my name only, accusing me of saying you didn't read when I have done no such thing. That was the crux of my complaint. If anything, your supposed beef in this one should've been with @EldemadeDityjon and @DemonKing021 still, my name was the only one personally brought up and to that I ask, "for what reason?"

 

[PrinceofPein]

@LephyrTheRevanchist has pointed out the constant snide remarks you have been making and I pointed out the insults you made also.
I will let staffs decide the rest.

 

[Tatsumi504]

So this is a waste of time.

Not necessarily.

here

I see, thank you. I I were to offer a rebuttal to this notion...

It only makes sense considering you didn't read the other thread and pain is leaving out the main arguments behind it.

Was me talking to planck. If a thread is built up to be counter, wouldn't you say it is only right to actually show what you're a countering? A healthy chunk of it was left out without putting the main argument

Pain has also conveniently left out her clairvoyance as against standard precognition.

But I didn't lie though? Pain didn't mention it and it was infact one of the main points of the thread.

You're just choosing to ignore the thread to favor your headcanon.

Out of line, I accept

Quit this flimsy distortion.

Same here, if they're interpreting the scan differently, there's nothing left for me to say

So just willingly ignore volume 7 where her powers were actually fleshed out in detail? Interesting but that is your style ig

In truth pain did close the OP of with "the scans are from volume 6 chapter (insert chapter), for those who want to read meanwhile, the other thread covered volume 6 & 7 with 7 being where the greater chunk of information lies. If that not willfully ignoring , leaving out information to you then I rest this particular case.

All these comments trying to paint Pein as hiding, distorting or ignoring info, with the finishing touch of "that is your style".

Duly noted, now I know where I went wrong at least.

The point is quite simple: Nothing needs to be done here. You need to stop antagonizing. Prove Pein is wrong and leave it at that.

My not antagonizing though? Pein was talking with @DemonKing021 where he offhandedly commented/implied the former didn't read the OP and yet only I was singled out specifically

MG fans think anyone who disagrees with them cannot read from all my interactions with them, as seen in Tatsumi's post and all of them's posts. They provide a toxic environment for arguing on the site with snide remarks.

"Tatsumi's post" already zeros in on me, "all of them's post" further adds me again to a group that said pein cannot read. Disregarding past cases, where exactly did I say pein cannot read in the thread? That's my issue

 

[Tatsumi504]

@LephyrTheRevanchist has pointed out the constant snide remarks you have been making and I pointed out the insults you made also.
I will let staffs decide the rest.

Disregarding past cases, where exactly did I say pein cannot read in the thread? That's my issue

 

[CloverDragon03]

I feel it'd be disingenuous for me to not leave a comment here, because although it wasn't mentioned, this does come from me as well. So here goes.

Yes, I did in fact make claims about MG supporters earlier regarding their behavior to people who disagree with them. It was late at night for me, so perhaps I had less of a filter than I normally do, but honestly... Largely speaking, I stand by what I said. At the very least, I feel this way about the MG supporters I've had experiences with. It's a lot of "you didn't read", "you're biased against MG", and all that stuff. It's like they're trying to gatekeep the verse, and idk if this is just me, but when I see such a degree of gatekeeping it makes me thing they have something to hide - like a faulty rating they know to be faulty but still want to keep.

Take Tatsumi and Pein's whole debacle right now, for example. It was mentioned before that Pein had warnings while Tatsumi didn't have any issues prior to this MG stuff when Fuji came along. But, if I may be so blunt, that's quite literally because Fuji was among the first to actually question the MG ratings and abilities. I got treated the same way too, for daring to question the "Logic Manipulation" of Venuzdonoa or the 2-A rating for the Land of Traces. It's like if someone goes against the MG supporter base's grain, it's not enough to disagree with them, but they must be made into absolute buffoons for daring to question anything about the verse.

I don't think Tatsumi's accusations of prejudice hold weight. I don't lie like that. I see no point in it. If I'm saying something like this, it's because I genuinely believe it to be rooted in truth

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

I just got off work and came home. I opened the wiki to see what’s happening, and, damn, someone brought up 2 year old stuff that was already resolved back in the day as supporting arguments to make MG fans look bad. Great way to start off the weekend.

I don't really care about the current drama going on here since you mentioned me. I'm just going to justify myself.

@EldemadeDityjon also said this

So do not come here and make some claim like you are a victim; I still stand by what I said; you and some MG fans think anyone who disagrees with you is stupid, hates MG or cannot read.

Could you stop leaving out context when you report someone or argue something? You're cherry-picking my words, that's all. I literally mentioned why I think you are not open minded.

spammed random threads, calling out around 20 random staff members on their walls

It's a waste of time, knowing that some random staff member might come and agree with it (infact 2 staffs already agreed before even waiting for other supporters to produce any counters it already shows how much of waste of time participating in that thread

If you were open-minded and arguing in good faith, I don’t think you would spam your CRT links on 10-20 staff members’ walls, asking them to evaluate without addressing counterarguments or engaging in a proper debate like a fair debater should. You didn’t even wait for supporters to show up or post in the discussion thread or on their walls to hear their side of the arguments. You tried to push the thread through with staff votes alone. So, I’m not sure how any of my comments suggesting you’re not open-minded toward opponents' arguments are incorrect.

From your behavior above, I don't see any open-minded spirit from you. If you want me to change my point of view on you, start by asking for input from supporters and engaging in a proper debate instead of trying to push the thread forward with only random staff input and your arguments alone. Also, stop playing the victim. If you can’t handle others having opinions about your character, then stop mischaracterizing others.

First of all, how is this report-worthy? Or bad behavior when I'm just expressing my perspective on you being unfair in the recent thread situation.

Edit: Just an addition
Let us not forget you @EldemadeDityjon calling me the R-word the first time I did the downgrade from 2-A to low 2-C for the verse. Or @EldemadeDityjon calling me stupid for creating a thread. I am not making a report for this or wanting anyone to be punished for what they said some time ago off-site;

I don't know what current offsite rules are

Gyazo

gyazo.com

This is you from two years ago insulting other people's mothers on Discord. I don't care about the past, so I'll just drop it. I just wanted to show that you're not a saint when it comes to offsite behavior. However, this is in the past and related to Discord so I don't want to continue discussing it. So I request staff to ignore this. I just wanted to remind pain of her own behaviour in the past.

But I'm pretty sure you already reported mine, and I already corrected my behavior in the past. So stop bringing up stuff from two years ago to make me feel like some bad guy here. Have I ever interacted with you in this manner since then?

Try bringing up something new. It seems like you're stuck in the past or seeking sympathy by bringing up old issues. You claim to be open-minded but contradict yourself by using outdated matters to support your claims without acknowledging that the person you're reporting might have changed.

I'll let the staff handle it. I just wanted to share my perspective. Either way, I'm done. I have better plans for the weekend than debating about past behavior that's already been resolved. I've changed since then.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

I agree with what Lephyr and CloverDragon are saying. And do not think Tatsumi's report was very valid.

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Reporting @SuperSonicTL for what I consider to be pretty clear-cut vote manipulation in this thread.

-He put the ones that disagreed with Low 1C as Agreeing with 2A and neutral as low 1C
-Completely ignored the opposition in counting votes.
-He more or less admitted he didn't even count the opposition or just simply forgot they existed.

More proof here, here, here, here, and here.

He did it again here.

So yeah, I think this is a pretty clear case.

For anyone wondering, this is the actual vote tally counted by Agnaa.

Edited to include more evidence.

 

[Agnaa]

As I mentioned in my summary post of the votecount situation here, I don't think it's right to say Sonic "completely ignored the opposition in counting votes". Sonic undeniably counted 6 of the votes correctly, including two votes from the opposition. Although, they did pretty clearly count three votes incorrectly, all of which were opposed to parts of the thread.

Given Sonic's lack of previous warnings (at least according to the tracker), I'm fine with just leaving this at a warning.

Although I would hope that any attention it gets here could bring staff to help resolve it; votes are pretty deadlocked, yet Sonic has already applied the thread, including a part which was accepted by 4 staff but rejected by 5.

 

[Sir_Ovens]

Yeah I do think a stern warning is in order.

As for the thread, I'd like to opt for a rollback considering the existence of a standard change revision that directly ties into the outcome of it.

 

[Agnaa]

Okay so after having that pointed out, Sonic redid the tally, misrepresenting it again, and being incorrect about how they misrepresented things originally, in a way that would've made themselves seem better.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Yeah, that is not a good practice to ignore people's clear stances.

 

[SuperSonicTL]

I just made the tally how I felt it to be. I fixed that part later as well. What y'all want me to do more about it?

 

[CloverDragon03]

I just made the tally how I felt it to be. I fixed that part later as well. What y'all want me to do more about it?

Rather than make the tally about how you feel it to be, you should be making the tally as it actually is

 

[SuperSonicTL]

Rather than make the tally about how you feel it to be, you should be making the tally as it actually is

The only point that was wrong on my part was Deagon because he didn't made his reasoning well and just kept going back to Ultima's previous reply from a previous thread that was irrelevant by virtue after he confirmed he didn't read the context and it can either be 2C or L1C unlike previous thread where he seemingly disagreed only.

Glass was more of a matter of not being clear as he just said he is fine with it.

Same with Firestorm who never stated he is being neutral or downright disagreeing with L1C rating so how am I supposed to put him into disagreement for confirmation?

As for Ovens, I accidently forgot to put it there soo that's a mistake from my part. I fixed it right on spot after Agnaa pointed it out.

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

The only point that was wrong on my part was Deagon because he didn't made his reasoning well and just kept going back to Ultima's previous reply from a previous thread that was irrelevant by virtue after he confirmed he didn't read the context and it can either be 2C or L1C unlike previous thread where he seemingly disagreed only.

Glass was more of a matter of not being clear as he just said he is fine with it.

Same with Firestorm who never stated he is being neutral or downright disagreeing with L1C rating so how am I supposed to put him into disagreement for confirmation?

As for Ovens, I accidently forgot to put it there soo that's a mistake from my part. I fixed it right on spot after Agnaa pointed it out.

Not gonna lie, I don't think Firestorm could be more clear than this.

At least 2-B, likely 2-A

So yeah...

 

[SuperSonicTL]

If it seems like I'm being dishonest, then so be it. I'm perfectly fine letting that thread close without a conclusion and revert everything back to 2C if that's the way it has to be. Just say it once to me.

But in return, I want the container revision CRT to be taken into consideration before everything.

 

[SuperSonicTL]

Not gonna lie, I don't think Firestorm could be more clear than this.

So yeah...

Take a look again. He didn't specified if he downright disagree or is neutral about it. You can't take anything for guaranteed.

Again, just one reply is all it takes for me to fix the message & that's without mentioning all the mods who have been tagged into that thread to reiterate their opinions. There is literally no advantage for me to misrepresent votes anyway after that. I didn't put Glass previously in agreement as well back then so that's that.

Not much evidence? I also asked the mods to close all the threads without any conclusion that was supposed to add materials over the verse and blamed one of the supporters from my end as well in the process & it was me that spammed everyone to look into that general revision thread when others left it to rot.

And mind you it's me that it is likely me who is going to apply these downgrades that the other dude forgot to take responsibilities for it as well. I just want to do things right. That's without mentioning I barely have any experience beforehand with such CRT threads and so, if my replies counter isn't showing it already.

 

[Da3ggman]

And mind you it's me that it is likely me who is going to apply these downgrades that the other dude forgot to take responsibilities for it as well. I just want to do things right. That's without mentioning I barely have any experience beforehand with such CRT threads and so, if my replies counter isn't showing it already.

Bro.....you can put all of this in one message; you're kinda cluttering the thread right now.

 

[SuperSonicTL]

Bro.....you can put all of this in one message; you're kinda cluttering the thread right now.

Sorry, my bad. But the point still stands, there is literally no advantage for me to do this all. Infact, it is me who should point out why nobody is taking those thread seriously enough, neither this CRT that was created to address it only to be ignored later down the line.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

A quick look-through of the situation makes this look worse than you, SuperSonic, present it as. I would be content to issue a short ban (say, two weeks to a month) given the repeated nature of the offense. I'm open to the idea that this is somehow a cascading misunderstanding but it seems enormously unlikely, at this point.

 

[SuperSonicTL]

Fair enough.

 

[Unoriginal777]

Hello all,

If I were to add my humble input on the situation I would say that a ban feels unnecessary for a first time offense on an issue such as this. It's very clear to me that confusion occurred along the way in the cataloguing of votes which is not impossible to happen when intent/words can be used carelessly at times on the internet which in turn leads to misinterpretation of the situation (i.e. like conveying sarcasm on the internet) and again I would reiterate that this is a first time offense for a new member so you really should consider letting Sonic off with a warning since he's still adjusting to the culture of the site. I myself would hate to make a first mistake and to my horror get banned for a month after I apologized and realized the error of my ways immediately. A warning is best in such cases and if the issue still persists then a ban is imminent and fair to exercise as a deterrent.

In any case, while I have the attention of mods that are active for the time being I'd like to encourage that they need to be more active CRT threads they reply at; especially when said threads concern scaling standards for the whole site. This thread for example started by @LordGriffin1000 is of great significance as it presents a quandary that must be confronted for tier 2 standards moving forward and ironically this issue is one which @SuperSonicTL had brought to light through his push tier 2-A or Low 1-C DMC. So at the very least for the sake of making things clearer concerning DMC scaling going forward it would be wise to really engage with this thread rather then leave it to gather dust. It's your call either way VSBW.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Hello all,

If I were to add my humble input on the situation I would say that a ban feels unnecessary for a first time offense on an issue such as this. It's very clear to me that confusion occurred along the way in the cataloguing of votes which is not impossible to happen when intent/words can be used carelessly at times on the internet which in turn leads to misinterpretation of the situation (i.e. like conveying sarcasm on the internet) and again I would reiterate that this is a first time offense for a new member so you really should consider letting Sonic off with a warning since he's still adjusting to the culture of the site. I myself would hate to make a first mistake and to my horror get banned for a month after I apologized and realized the error of my ways immediately. A warning is best in such cases and if the issue still persists then a ban is imminent and fair to exercise as a deterrent.

In any case, while I have the attention of mods that are active for the time being I'd like to encourage that they need to be more active CRT threads they reply at; especially when said threads concern scaling standards for the whole site. This thread for example started by @LordGriffin1000 is of great significance as it presents a quandary that must be confronted for tier 2 standards moving forward and ironically this issue is one which @SuperSonicTL had brought to light through his push tier 2-A or Low 1-C DMC. So at the very least for the sake of making things clearer concerning DMC scaling going forward it would be wise to really engage with this thread rather then leave it to gather dust. It's your call either way VSBW.

This isn't a new member, he joined the forum in late 2023- over a year ago. I would also be content to write it off as a mere mistake had it not been reiterated upon Agnaa fixing the vote tally, and had it not left out some fairly explicit votes (Firestorm's).

This isn't the place to recruit for CRTs, and also, I am not chipping in to more tier 2 nonsense- it is the least important part of the site, one's limited time to contribute can be better spent elsewhere. You are permitted to speak on this thread further regarding SuperSonic's report (should you have some evidence or new insight on the matter), do leave CRT recruitment for non-management threads.

 

[SuperSonicTL]

This isn't a new member, he joined the forum in late 2023- over a year ago. I would also be content to write it off as a mere mistake had it not been reiterated upon Agnaa fixing the vote tally, and had it not left out some fairly explicit votes (Firestorm's).

Just because I joined the forum in late 2023 doesn’t mean I’ve been actively using it since then. This is literally my first time navigating pages like this. You can check my contribution history on Fandom over it if it isn't clear enough.

As for the tally, I had my own reasoning for why I did it which I already explained above. There were no “explicit” cases, none of them were clear-cut. I’ve seen people jump from 2C straight to L1C for one reason or another. As for Firestorm, he said "likely 2A" but haven't elaborated on L1C part at all, there could be a possibility he doesn't know that tier much & left it as neutral, I can't just put him into disagreement without his confirmation. This isn’t just a simple revision as we are literally discussing two tiers at the same time if the tally in itself wasn’t clear to begin with. Besides, Agnaa was already reviewing it so what was even the point of me being sneaky there? I literally was waiting for his input in that thread? He asked me once and I fixed it on the spot. You guys only need to bring it up once you know...

 

[Unoriginal777]

Just because I joined the forum in late 2023 doesn’t mean I’ve been actively using it since then. This is literally my first time navigating pages like this. You can check my contribution history on Fandom over it if it isn't clear enough.

As for the tally, I had my own reasoning for why I did it which I already explained above. There were no “explicit” cases, none of them were clear-cut. I’ve seen people jump from 2C straight to L1C for one reason or another. As for Firestorm, he said "likely 2A" but haven't elaborated on L1C part at all, there could be a possibility he doesn't know that tier much & left it as neutral, I can't just put him into disagreement without his confirmation. This isn’t just a simple revision as we are literally discussing two tiers at the same time if the tally in itself wasn’t clear to begin with. Besides, Agnaa was already reviewing it so what was even the point of me being sneaky there? I literally was waiting for his input in that thread? He asked me once and I fixed it on the spot. You guys only need to bring it up once you know...

Good point actually. Jotting down a likely 2-A as neutral is definitely not a sign of malice @Mr. Bambu. If Sonic were trying to be malicious wouldn't he just assume that @Firestorm808 liked Low 1-C as well. But not only did @SuperSonicTL not even give DMC the benefit of the doubt by giving it another likely 2-A supporter, but also relegated said supporter to being neutral which is as fair as it gets with vagueness. Seems to me you're reaching a bit far on that count @Mr. Bambu as likely 2-A cannot just become doesn't against 2-A instantly or else had the shoe been on your foot and you attempted to convey the message that way I'd be bringing you here for an arguable charge on vote forgery.

 

[SuperSonicTL]

Anyway I’ll make sure it doesn’t happen again and hope to get another chance

 

[GrathOfLux]

A quick look-through of the situation makes this look worse than you, SuperSonic, present it as. I would be content to issue a short ban (say, two weeks to a month) given the repeated nature of the offense. I'm open to the idea that this is somehow a cascading misunderstanding but it seems enormously unlikely, at this point.

I agree with this assessment of the situation. The defence of the issues here has so far revolved around being mistaken numerous times due to purportedly vague votes - but not only are several of their claims about legitimate error put forward so far very hard to believe, it also consequentially leads me to think that SuperSonicTL is not being very honest about their position in this issue. A brief ban period to deter any motivation to cause further issues in this regard is in order.