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This is the sequel of this and this since in both threads a conclusion has never been reached so I'll try to summarize the main issues with all the calcs in the speed section:
Izana dashes at Mikey:
"Izana attempted to blitz Mikey after his appearance in the Tenjiku fight, but the attack was blocked by Mikey, however, the speed was so great that it absolutely terrified the other characters there"as the calc says this and treat "absolutely terrified" as a blitz which doesn't really look like one since they kinda react to it and nothing really suggests Izana traveled that distance before they could react despite "he's fast".
The calc uses 0,029 s as reaction when it's calc stacking following this rule "Examples of calc stacking that can not be applied: Character A moved so fast that character B couldn't react to him. So character A needs to have crossed the distance until he could be seen by character B again in the time that character B requires to react. Since we know from a calculation how long character B needs to react we can calculate the speed of character A based on that." Since there are no statements implying they have that reaction and the only way to prove it is from other calcs
Takemichi dodges a kick (2) :
First why is this even here when the other calc has been removed? (is literally the same feat)
The pixel scaling is completely wrong since to find the distance between Takemichi and the kick a line has been traced between the nose and the foot implying the kick is coming from the front when we clearly see the kick is coming from the side so angsizing is the only valid way to calculate that distance
The calc itself implies that Takemichi is several time faster than Mikey when he literally is barely dodging those kick, Mikey is also still superior than him in speed since he is top 1 in the verse and Mikey even scales up from this feat when the feat says he is slower than Takemihci, also I'll link this thread since it explains many issues of calculating this type of feat
Draken saves Takemitchi from bullets:
Only the speed of the bullet isn't assumed ("I estimate 1 meter for his starting point and 0.4 meter for projectile shot.").
We don't really know what happened and the only thing we know is that Draken was in there, we don't even know if he just blitzed the guy or if he truly ran after the first bullet was shoot
Another problem of this calc is that if the result was truly correct it doesn't make sense that Senju wasn't able to do anything in first place and needed Draken to come in when she should be faster than him, in less words it doesn't make sense that a character who is 4x time faster than a bullet couldn't just take Takemichi to go away and avoiding those bullets which are 4x times slower than her while also being several meters away.
Izana saves Kakucho from bullets:
The main problem here is that we don't know when Izana started to run and we just assume he started only after the first bullet was shoot when the context of the feat is that Izana's body moved by its own in order to protect Kakucho and the most reasonable time when he started to run is when he realized Kakucho was going to die and we have Kisaki saying die! so I have no idea why we just assume his body waited until the bullet was shoot. It's more likely the panels of Kisaki shooting and Izana pushing Kakucho are happening at the same time since the onomatopoeias are shared in both.
Kakucho is actually rated as supersonic/supersonic+ so dodging that bullet by his own shouldn't be a problem at all but still he couldn't and needed Izana's help to do it so I don't get why Izana should be worried about him in this situation
South deflects an umbrella:
"For the speed of the umbrella, I'm going to use baseline subsonic speed, because Senju is top tier character in the verse (a verse where even mid tiers can be scaled above baseline FTE) and the panel is drawn with a lot of motion blur, indicating that the umbrella was thrown at a very high speed." that's just a crazy assumption considering the speed you can move has nothing to do with the speed you can throw something and there aren't sources to find a reliable speed for a thrown umbrella especially when an umbrella isn't a thing meant to be thrown, also a point that has been made to justify that the umbrella is subsonic is that South couldn't properly percive it which implies that South can't percive subsonic speed but still the calc scales him to supersonic+, which doesn't make sense.
Also I want to point out that god tiers in the verse consider a pistol a dangerous weapon when low-mid tiers are supposed to be at least as fast as a bullet and god tiers are easily 3-4x times faster (scan)
We see Takemichi and Draken worried about Mikey when Izana was pointing at him with a gun and we know Mikey is supposed to be able to no diff a bullet in case Izana shot based on calcs results, especially Draken always fought on Mikey's size and knows what he is capable of, also Draken himself is supposed to be able to dodge that and still in this situation he is worried for Mikey who can easily blitz him which doesn't make sense at all
In the other scans we see Draken right after Draken saves Takemitchi from bullets that calls a gun "a dangerous weapon", so Draken who from that calc is supposed to be 3x time faster than that bullet calls the same gun he could outspeed a dangerous weapon? It just doesn't make sense and Takemichi who is supersonic to supersonic+ states "they went as far as using a gun" when he and Senju could easily dodge that by their own.
Conclusion:
The calcs have many issues which are already been discussed in the previous threads and all the CGMs comments I saw imply the calcs are bad and have many problems :
- Comment 1
- Comment 2
- Comment 3
- Comment 4
- Comment 5
+ the author doesn't mean his character to be faster than a bullet but still these calcs scale them even 3-4x tme faster than a bullet.
NOTE:
Considering the only purpose of this thread is to reach a conclusion and not to discuss the calcs again it would better if someone who participated the last threads could summarize the points made by who wants to keep the calcs on the verse and just to wait for staff input. ( otherwise this thread will also became a mess like the other one)
Izana dashes at Mikey:
"Izana attempted to blitz Mikey after his appearance in the Tenjiku fight, but the attack was blocked by Mikey, however, the speed was so great that it absolutely terrified the other characters there"as the calc says this and treat "absolutely terrified" as a blitz which doesn't really look like one since they kinda react to it and nothing really suggests Izana traveled that distance before they could react despite "he's fast".
The calc uses 0,029 s as reaction when it's calc stacking following this rule "Examples of calc stacking that can not be applied: Character A moved so fast that character B couldn't react to him. So character A needs to have crossed the distance until he could be seen by character B again in the time that character B requires to react. Since we know from a calculation how long character B needs to react we can calculate the speed of character A based on that." Since there are no statements implying they have that reaction and the only way to prove it is from other calcs
Takemichi dodges a kick (2) :
First why is this even here when the other calc has been removed? (is literally the same feat)
The pixel scaling is completely wrong since to find the distance between Takemichi and the kick a line has been traced between the nose and the foot implying the kick is coming from the front when we clearly see the kick is coming from the side so angsizing is the only valid way to calculate that distance
The calc itself implies that Takemichi is several time faster than Mikey when he literally is barely dodging those kick, Mikey is also still superior than him in speed since he is top 1 in the verse and Mikey even scales up from this feat when the feat says he is slower than Takemihci, also I'll link this thread since it explains many issues of calculating this type of feat
Draken saves Takemitchi from bullets:
Only the speed of the bullet isn't assumed ("I estimate 1 meter for his starting point and 0.4 meter for projectile shot.").
We don't really know what happened and the only thing we know is that Draken was in there, we don't even know if he just blitzed the guy or if he truly ran after the first bullet was shoot
Another problem of this calc is that if the result was truly correct it doesn't make sense that Senju wasn't able to do anything in first place and needed Draken to come in when she should be faster than him, in less words it doesn't make sense that a character who is 4x time faster than a bullet couldn't just take Takemichi to go away and avoiding those bullets which are 4x times slower than her while also being several meters away.
Izana saves Kakucho from bullets:
The main problem here is that we don't know when Izana started to run and we just assume he started only after the first bullet was shoot when the context of the feat is that Izana's body moved by its own in order to protect Kakucho and the most reasonable time when he started to run is when he realized Kakucho was going to die and we have Kisaki saying die! so I have no idea why we just assume his body waited until the bullet was shoot. It's more likely the panels of Kisaki shooting and Izana pushing Kakucho are happening at the same time since the onomatopoeias are shared in both.
Kakucho is actually rated as supersonic/supersonic+ so dodging that bullet by his own shouldn't be a problem at all but still he couldn't and needed Izana's help to do it so I don't get why Izana should be worried about him in this situation
South deflects an umbrella:
"For the speed of the umbrella, I'm going to use baseline subsonic speed, because Senju is top tier character in the verse (a verse where even mid tiers can be scaled above baseline FTE) and the panel is drawn with a lot of motion blur, indicating that the umbrella was thrown at a very high speed." that's just a crazy assumption considering the speed you can move has nothing to do with the speed you can throw something and there aren't sources to find a reliable speed for a thrown umbrella especially when an umbrella isn't a thing meant to be thrown, also a point that has been made to justify that the umbrella is subsonic is that South couldn't properly percive it which implies that South can't percive subsonic speed but still the calc scales him to supersonic+, which doesn't make sense.
Also I want to point out that god tiers in the verse consider a pistol a dangerous weapon when low-mid tiers are supposed to be at least as fast as a bullet and god tiers are easily 3-4x times faster (scan)
We see Takemichi and Draken worried about Mikey when Izana was pointing at him with a gun and we know Mikey is supposed to be able to no diff a bullet in case Izana shot based on calcs results, especially Draken always fought on Mikey's size and knows what he is capable of, also Draken himself is supposed to be able to dodge that and still in this situation he is worried for Mikey who can easily blitz him which doesn't make sense at all
In the other scans we see Draken right after Draken saves Takemitchi from bullets that calls a gun "a dangerous weapon", so Draken who from that calc is supposed to be 3x time faster than that bullet calls the same gun he could outspeed a dangerous weapon? It just doesn't make sense and Takemichi who is supersonic to supersonic+ states "they went as far as using a gun" when he and Senju could easily dodge that by their own.
Conclusion:
The calcs have many issues which are already been discussed in the previous threads and all the CGMs comments I saw imply the calcs are bad and have many problems :
- Comment 1
- Comment 2
- Comment 3
- Comment 4
- Comment 5
+ the author doesn't mean his character to be faster than a bullet but still these calcs scale them even 3-4x tme faster than a bullet.
NOTE:
Considering the only purpose of this thread is to reach a conclusion and not to discuss the calcs again it would better if someone who participated the last threads could summarize the points made by who wants to keep the calcs on the verse and just to wait for staff input. ( otherwise this thread will also became a mess like the other one)