That's not an evidence since you can't properly prove she threw it first.
Your source LITERALLY said if it was x distance away, he's not gonna notice it.
Because of arguments like this, that don't happen with 98% of verses:
so me being able to not debunk it makes me not so smart. I think, I’ll leave this to the pros. Cya later.
The first bang effect of the gun being shot was exclusively on Kisaki's panel, meaning the gun was shot first, Izana was only shown during the 2nd and 3rd gun shot.
Yup, we have to argue about the most basic things in this verse, it's really annoying. It's preferable if only the suporters, neutrals and opposers talk about them with the mods, it'd be better that way
I disagree with you xd
Sounds right.
By superhuman perception I'm talking about subsonic to supersonic+
Maybe more context would change this, but from the scans in the calc, I don't think we really get enough of a view to say that Izana wasn't already running up before the gun was fired.
I find it strange that in more than 200 discussion posts you only find his points right which you can also find in previous posts.... I would like to be friends with everyone here, I don't want hate to be created but it almost seems like there are preferences
Then if he has subsonic to supersonic+ why can't he properly percieve something moving at subsonic speed?
You can see the entire context in chapter 175-176.
He moved his arms 166 degs and the distance between Kakucho and the tip of the gun was like 41cm, i calced it, the gun used is Beretta m9. With your suggestion the speed would be around high end Supersonic+ and if we include the distance between tip of the gun and Izana, it gets to hypersonic+
I'm not too familiar with other people here. I've seen agnaa's takes enough, they're usually good.
the same points he made have already been said in other posts and the answer was different. That's why I said there is preference
I am neutral about anything else (because I don't for this verse damn) but would just want to state my opinion on these things:
Using subsonic would still be calc statcking since you take the speed from feats I already stated my opinion about it
the thread is really based on not using subsonic for calc as it would be calc stacking...... subsonic speed can only be used if the context of that action or hit has strong evidence that it is subsonic. hitting someone without them being able to raise their guard is not automatically an FTE feat. A person skilled in martial arts or combat sports could do it, Without too much context I think it is at best a superhuman feat.
I don't think it is exactly. You can use Athletic Human speed for example for a character that has been consistently portrayed as that fast throughout a story. It's just the same but to a higher degree.
I am pretty sure calc stacking is when you use literal supersonic+ or smth speeds to calculate speeds for other feats.
Not if the other person has subsonic reactions
I agree, the panel portrays that she was using all of her strength, and she's like the top 5 of the verse
this thread is questioning supersonic + calculations, so using it as an assumption for FTE i don't find it reasonable for now. calc stacking doesn't only apply on certain speeds but only in certain "contexts"
Yeah, because that's within the realm of what's possible for humans.
Fair enough if you think that, but the line we draw for assumptions on these sorts of feats is "something that humans can do". Everything else has to be derived from within that scene itself. So them having Supersonic+ feats elsewhere is irrelevant, in our eyes. They could have half a dozen FTL statements, and in a scene that doesn't have them, we'd assume them to be peak human.
Mikey is only subsonic against Taiju, before he has no feats, the second comes from Angryin tenjiku, these are the only feats subsonic, where is the cosistency? For Osanai and Hanma base superhuman speed is enough in fact I suggested it to use for Mikey, for other kicks you have no context for saying they are subsonic
TR characters aren't normal humans though I don't get the problem
Mikey is subsonic in the Valhalla arc to, not only that but characters like Angry are subsonic+ without scaling, theres also multiple more FTE feats like after images and many more, this shouldn't be a big problem, I think you haven't read the manga
The umbrella feat should be fine then
After images? I can do one in this moment still im not even peak human in speed
That applies to almost all other cases like this in fiction.
From what I've seen of it, I don't think so. We're pretty careful with what we're willing to give Subsonic over.
Bro you CANNOT create an after image with your speed what are you talking about..
Mikey blitzing dozens of random delinquents in literally every conflict, him blitzing Osanai, Hanma (not just once either), Kazutora, Taiju, and a bunch of other characters. Every time he appears in a fight he blitzes at least one person not including Tenjiku because he only fought Izana who is comparable to him.
Move your hand fast in front of you
is not a valid reason. however wanting down a human spike or superhuman is definable as not being a normal human. this reasoning is similar to what would be cacl stacking If a speed fte applied.
Blitzing Osanai and Hanma is subsonic?
if you want to read the message I sent just now, I talked about it right there
Are you cooked, Senju and other characters did it metres away from the camera or whatever, moving your hand only blurs your hand it does NOT create after images
