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This seems reasonable. Do you have scans to prove that "Senju" can react to "Taiju" kick, do you also have scana that "Senju" struggled with something moving at 450 m/s ?
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Tokyo Revengers verse upgrade
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I don't see any.
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I will be reviewing those shortly.
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@ImmortalDread here
Draken and Izana in this thread (the staff thread I mean)
Naoto here who should be comparable to Takemichi i.e supersonic+ by what they're syaing lol
Chifuyu the other supersonic+ guy who was also damaged and tied to a chair in the OP who did his supersonic+ same as here couldn't apparently dodge this, yet he yearned to save toman and isn't suicidal, dying would go against what he's been working for.
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I mean.... They are literally consistent below those level of speed.... is not PIS when the same problem is presented from the first to the last arc of the story
I don't like this scaling chain, Hanma is comparabale to base Mikey in terms of stats there isn't much you can do about it, Izana is slightly superior and Base South beated Kakucho there are many factors sure but I don't get where the Kakucho > base South comes from, also Draken and base South are kinda relative, South slightly stronger but if we talk about speed they are relative.
Senju has reaction to the highest AS of the verse which is South DI which is comparable to DI Mikey speed, so yeah I can bring that up
The fact she needed Draken to suicide in order to save her and Takemichi when she could just step out is enough? And when Takemihci had a vision she literally was dead by that gun when the gun was like 3 meters away.
Senju can react to South DI attacks which are comparable to Mikey DI attacks, she would lose in a fight sure, but in terms of speed her reaction is on pair with his AS
Of course when the plot constantly contradicts your calc putting them as outliers it's PIS even if the plot constantly shows they are slower than bullets, PIS is not the excuse to don't rule your calc as outlier
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South isn't comparable to Mikey.
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I do not know the verse. Scans would be appreciated.
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What happened after this scene. The guy with black hair did he die ? He seems to be the main character so I would assume he survives ? If he does survive how ? Did he tank the bullet or did he dodge it.
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Bumping this
Nah the main character was the guy who was shoved out the way actually
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Dying to bullets doesn't automatically mean slower. They both jumped in front of a person to protect them from bullets, both arguably faster than bullet feats.
Takemichi isn't normally Supersonic+, and Naoto being comparable is a bit iffy but okay.
Except he can't actually move here.
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Edit: I'm talking about the video not the scans.
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False it was offscreened and both had ample time to get to where they needed to be as discussed in the staff thread
Hell yall still had him supersonic normally but go off it'd still apply
He can damn sure swing his torso here at supersonic+ speeds and fully percieve the bullet
The main character time travels in that moment out of sheer desperation he otherwise would have died
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I literally came up with the context for the Izana feat that his body moved on its own on another thread when zefra tried to remove it, I gave a clear cut reason why he reacted to the gun being fired, Zefra didn't have any counterarguments and just give his own opinion in the other thread which was automatically agreed by therefir.
We can debate about that here again?
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The feats being off-screen means you can't talk with certainty, it's possible they actually moved faster than the bullets.
He normally isn't and is slower than bullets yes.
He can't move here.
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Nah w
Nah what you can instead do is send the scan I've been asking for all this time
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Agree
A calc that makes you extremely faster than a guy where is shown relativity instead is an outlier
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Takemichi is literally tied up the exact same way and can fully lean his body forward in pain, I think Chifuyu can indeed swing his body here
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What happened in the scene I'm confused ? How do you know she dies to something moving at 450 m/s ?
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@Dalesean027 Upon examining both scenarios, my perspective may indeed diverge.
From a personal perspective, considering the circumstances, it would be unwarranted to assert that the characters involved were expected to accomplish the speed feat. Notably, Naoto exhibited a state of shock, leading us to reasonably infer his lack of intent to evade the bullet. Consequently, it is arguable that this instance should not be categorized as an anti-feat, but rather as a situation influenced by prevailing conditions which I stated here previously as exceptions.
Regarding the second segment, wherein the subject targets the subject's lower extremities while they are constricted, this again represents a situation contingent on specific factors that preclude its classification as an anti-feat.
From a personal perspective, considering the circumstances, it would be unwarranted to assert that the characters involved were expected to accomplish the speed feat. Notably, Naoto exhibited a state of shock, leading us to reasonably infer his lack of intent to evade the bullet. Consequently, it is arguable that this instance should not be categorized as an anti-feat, but rather as a situation influenced by prevailing conditions which I stated here previously as exceptions.
Regarding the second segment, wherein the subject targets the subject's lower extremities while they are constricted, this again represents a situation contingent on specific factors that preclude its classification as an anti-feat.
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Cause that's literally what happens, he can see the future here and sees her die to the guys that come to shoot him but instead kill draken this timr
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That makes sense. Why are we assuming she dies to a gun though.
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Her dying isn't what matters, its that she still gets shot by guns from a range a supersonic+ would not have any difficulty evading shots from
That's somewhat fair however he'd still have much more time to process what's happening if he were a supersonic~supersonic+ character as he saw the gun way before it was even fired so shock isn't a good excuse when he'd have plenty of time to understand the situation and react accordingly from about 1m away from a standard handgun
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No. Why are we assuming she gets shot.
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And you're blatantly ignoring the next panels where Mikey straight up ***** him up, and South not knowing what happened to him.
And this is not South reacting to Mikey as being able to "dodge" Mikey and that's not even his signature kick lol
The kick the delivers to Taiju explicitly blitzes the verse and there's no notable feat that surpasses the kick
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Because that's quite literally what happens
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Kakucho didn't fight against Base South, in fact on the site we use an image South's appearance against Kakucho for how he looks like with his urges, plus Kakucho was weakened which you already know, I'm talking about Tenjiku Kakucho. Draken only hit South once, and South even blocked it while being off guard, they aren't very comparable. South's strength depends on how strong his urges are, it's not always the same level.
Senju had to die according to Takemichi's Foresight for the plot to advance.
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"Our strength is on par". I disagree with you here.
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How do we know.
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He said that because South though he fought on par with Mikey.
Buddy, just look at the next panels, that's the opposite of it
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South is very insane and has no clue what's happening, context is needed.
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Because his future vision is payed off almost immediately after this and the guys with guns appear in the same area the vision happens at and she runs in front to try and protect him. Difference is now he knows so he protects her instead the second time but its like not even up for debate if she was shot or not that's literally just what happened
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Oh. I thought it stopped at panel 3. That's my fault.
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He is beaten up and had accepted death.
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I think it's a good argument since you are not mentally aware of the situation. In fact, according to studies, psychological shocks can disrupt an individual's ability to concentrate and think clearly. They might find it difficult to focus on tasks, make decisions, or process information effectively. This can be a result of heightened emotional responses overwhelming cognitive processes.
It has a great impact on decision-making that can influence the outcome of the situation significantly. Some individuals can avoid making decisions all altogether due to fear or uncertainty.
In this scenario, it is not feasible to categorize the situation as an “anti-feat"; rather, it can aptly be designated as an exceptional case.
The following conditions substantiate this characterization:
It has a great impact on decision-making that can influence the outcome of the situation significantly. Some individuals can avoid making decisions all altogether due to fear or uncertainty.
In this scenario, it is not feasible to categorize the situation as an “anti-feat"; rather, it can aptly be designated as an exceptional case.
The following conditions substantiate this characterization:
- Is the context a one-on-one configuration? | Affirmative
- Are there discernible elements that bestow disadvantages upon a singular party? | Affirmative
- Do these inherent disadvantages markedly and substantially influence the resultant outcome? | Affirmative
- In the hypothetical scenario of eliminating these specific circumstances, would the resultant outcome exhibit disparity? | Affirmative
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Where in the world did I said South can react to Mikey's kick? I just said their AS is similar and Senju can react to this AS
I mean... the speed can't varies this much especillay when DI amps you at least a x2
still the gap in speed isn't massive, that's what I mean, South isn't exponentially faster than him and Kakucho isn't exponentially faster than South, more less the speed is around the same level
I seriously start to think that in your mind calc>narrative
Anyway this thread became a mess again gg
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Here itnis is the ole suicide excuse for a character exuding hope and working to restore a better toman who wants his friend to live, man I'm sure if he were a bullet timer he'd not have to sit there and could just move out of the way without having to sit there and accept death
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Sure then I can respect that for the Naoto one
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The goons were after Takemichi and Senju got shot trying to protect him. She didn't get outsped by the gun at all.
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