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Capable of hurting Sanji with a punch while exhausted
Removed this from Luffy. Make his base form in that arc just "At least Small City level+".
We need to rewrite Ideo's justifications.
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Capable of hurting Sanji with a punch while exhausted
Oh god, no! No! NONONO!
Please!
We've discussed this and redone this calc for the size so many times.
Just use the current size for it like we already do.
No disrespect, but this isn't/might not be the thread for Dressrosa size calcs.
This is for powerscaling and seeing where the characters scale up to each other.
But I'm not gonna lie, what you impose makes genuine sense and I agree. Do you know how to make a Sandbox on the VSBW? If you do, copy this and paste it there.
Doesn't Base Luffy injure and draw blood from Katakuri on two separate occasions, why are we assuming he went from Low 7-B+ to 7-A when he didn't do any training whatsoever between Dressrosa and whole cake.Removed this from Luffy. Make his base form in that arc just "At least Small City level+".
We need to rewrite Ideo's justifications.
Doesn't Base Luffy injure and draw blood from Katakuri, why are we assuming he went from Low 7-B+ to 7-A when he didn't do any training whatsoever.
At that point Katakuri was fairly injured when Luffy was hitting him in base.
Katakuri can also tank hits from Gear 4 Luffy, and we're not going to rate base Luffy as being comparable to Gear 4 Luffy.
Base Luffy could also hurt an injured Doflamingo, yet we know that Doflamingo can survive a few Gear 4 attacks.
Okay, well in that example that was Katakuri's undefended chin against Luffy with Haki on his kick. And who knows, maybe Luffy's kick managed to knock Katakuri's oversized sharp teeth together and draw some blood that way.He wasn't injured here at all, look.
That argument falls flat for the reason that Katakuri has taken gear 4th attacks without Haki, and the teeth thing makes no sense when an injured Luffy was able of harming Karakuri with a punch to the cheek.Okay, well in that example that was Katakuri's undefended chin against Luffy with Haki on his kick. And who knows, maybe Luffy's kick managed to knock Katakuri's oversized sharp teeth together and draw some blood that way.
Apparently it is because Damage wants to make base luffy Low 7-B+, which was one of the main issues this thread was made in the first place.Luffy has consistently harmed the likes of Doffy & Kat in base when using Haki, I don't think that's being disputed.
I'm assuming that's without haki which would probably be accurate I guess, we apparently treat haki as different values than the base ones so Luffy would realistically scale there without haki if I'm not mistaken.Apparently it is because Damage wants to make base luffy Low 7-B+, which was one of the main issues this thread was made in the first place.
So what do you want to do? Scale base Luffy to be equal in strength to Gear 4 Luffy? Because those two characters you mentioned, Doffy and Katakuri, get their durability from Gear 4 Luffy.Apparently it is because Damage wants to make base luffy Low 7-B+, which was one of the main issues this thread was made in the first place.
No just Downscale him, simpleSo what do you want to do? Scale base Luffy to be equal in strength to Gear 4 Luffy? Because those two characters you mentioned, Doffy and Katakuri, get their durability from Gear 4 Luffy.
It's not extremely minor he consistenly damages them and Katakuri even acknowledges base luffy of not being that much weaker than him. Both of the characters you mention are at Least 7-A possibly High 7-A, just downscale Luffy to 7-AI don't have a problem with base Luffy being At least 7-B+ and still be capable of doing extremely minor damage to them.
What are the proposed values at the moment?That depends on the exact values each of them scale to. It's possible they might not even be High 7-A, depending on this revision.
G4 is stronger than them no question, but both characters still took multiple hits from gear 4th and Katakuri was capable of injuring gear 4th boundman and snakeman.G4 is way stronger than both doflamingo and Katakuri.
Thats why both avoided a direct combat with luffy in that form.
G4 is stronger than them no question, but both characters still took multiple hits from gear 4th and Katakuri was capable of injuring gear 4th boundman and snakeman.
If we go by this then it makes everything a lot more simpleRemember that the power or AP of Luffy's Haki is the same in both Base and G4 form, that explains how in Base form he can hurt them.
The Haki is the same but the power is not, by increasing the tension using gear 4th the power is increased by an order of magnitude, as well as the larger body.If we go by this then it makes everything a lot more simple
Because there's no reason for luffy to have gotten significantly stronger from whole cake island to Dressrosa.Yall tryna scale Base Post Whole Cake Island to Katakuri or backscale from that?
I'd agree if it wasn't the most unrealistic request ever.
That's the main fight where we get feats for base Luffy, and during water-7 he even stated that in base form he was weakened because he was "hungry". Not to mention there's no acknowledge during WCI that Luffy got stronger whatsoever.Luffy got sent into the water during Water 7, and woke up 6 times stronger.
I said it was unrealistic because Base Luffy isn't getting High 7-A or 7-A+ any time soon
Didn't Zoro just say this because he found out he lost to Caesar? This was just Zoro's assumption & we later get clarification from Luffy himself saying"I only know how to fight seriously" against Cracker.Up till dressrosa luffy was casual in pretty much all of his battles and this is commented with the Punk Hazard arc when zoro said "get serious" , during Dressrosa he's still casual during most of it as he's sparing with Ideo even though directly after he sidelines Sai who was comparable to him.
Actually checking through the Cracker fight in the official translation Luffy doesn't say that.Didn't Zoro just say this because he found out he lost to Caesar? This was just Zoro's assumption & we later get clarification from Luffy himself saying"I only know how to fight seriously" against Cracker.
Doesn't seem to be an indication off Luffy holding back his power level but rather letting his guard down and getting hit with the sleeping gas/oxygen drain.No, that's proven because he steamrolls Caesar the next time he fights him. That was just a response to when someone thinks Luffy's joking around but he's actually dead serious.
Actually it was Nami saying "Don't turn this into a serious fight" and Luffy responded saying "I don't know any other way to fight other than serious", based on what he's saying does indicate that he doesn't hold back/fight casually.That was just a response to when someone thinks Luffy's joking around but he's actually dead serious.
A more tired Gear 3rd Luffy matched Katakuri's elephant gun temporarily before being overpowered, he definitely got stronger.That's the main fight where we get feats for base Luffy, and during water-7 he even stated that in base form he was weakened because he was "hungry". Not to mention there's no acknowledge during WCI that Luffy got stronger whatsoever.
Up till dressrosa luffy was casual in pretty much all of his battles and this is commented with the Punk Hazard arc when zoro said "get serious" , during Dressrosa he's still casual during most of it as he's sparing with Ideo even though directly after he sidelines Sai who was comparable to him.
He steamrolls Caesar because he used gear third.No, that's proven because he steamrolls Caesar the next time he fights him. Luffy states that when he's fighting a high level opponent.
The clashing is valid. I've brought it up a bunch of times, which people just gloss over and say "no".Not to mention that base luffy does have some feats during the Doflamingo fight
-He's capable of clashing with him.
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