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  • hi there!

    i saw you presented yourself as a supporter of One Piece in the wiki, and would kindly like to ask:
    would you mind voting here:
    Eseseso
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    Ok.

    Do you want to look at the thread a bit, or do you want me to just post what you think.

    If the latter, do you want me to credit you or no?
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    Don't credit me, I'm probably not going to read the thread or comment on it
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    Ok. And the Sanji simps supporters did say that Amane Dachi could take Jabra out, but they said that it requires prep time which Jabra could exploit
    A user wanted to debate with you on discord and wanted your discord tag if that's fine, It's about One punch man and one piece so if you use Discord can you send me your discord tag ?
    I'm finished with the Black Maria profile you originally started on. What do you think?


    I already asked KingTempest this (and he disagreed), but should I have added the statement about Black Maria being capable of burning down the entirety of Kaido's castle with Wanyudo to Maria's AP section?
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    Also, what would you say Awakened Kaku's buso scales to?

    Baseline, or somewhat comparable to Egghead Zoro's Buso?
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    One layer above baseline since he had buso pre-timeskip and there's a statement they trained (Might even be that they specifically trained their haki I don't remember)

    You wouldn't scale him to Zoro's buso since they never clashed in a way that would scale them. Kaku attacked with Awakening + Rokushiki + Buso and still was overpowered.
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    Ok, thanks.

    Buso scaling is confusing to me since you can apparently have equal buso yet inferior AP or vice versa.
    I added to the Black Maria profile you started on from KobsterHope07's sandbox. Could you give it a looking over and see if I made any mistakes.

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    Justifications seem fine to me but the Buso stuff may need to be discussed in a thread.
    RoronoaxRobin
    RoronoaxRobin
    Thanks! And you're most likely right about the "Buso" thing since I know some still think she didn't use it in the manga due to Oda not doing a great job of drawing it clearly when she imbues it on her knuckledusters.
    Hey Emin, I'd like your help answering something.

    So when King goes nuts and turns Hybrid after Zoro broke a bit of his mask, it's very clear that he did not have his flame on his back the entire time he is in Hybrid. And keep in mind his flame returned on his back when he reverted to his base form, so this doesn't seem like an editing error. This is important since his flame-less Zoan form matched Zoro's Beginning of Fight Buso in a clash, so his flame-less Zoan form's durability would scale to Beginning of Fight Buso Zoro, who matched Base King.

    Also, I think the justification for Hybrid King of him threatening to cut Queen's neck is honestly not that good, it was clearly just a hostile jab and is weak compared to Queen actually stating that King hurt him and sliced his Zoan hide.
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    Sorry, after having to apply Post-Timeskip scaling in a pre-timeskip thread I've become pretty burned out on old OP discussions.
    Eseseso
    Eseseso
    Hey, no worries, man.

    Rest as much as you need to.
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    Responded to the speed scaling shit on the first page, not reading the rest.
    Hi,

    Sorry to bother ya, but I think I just realized that this wiki has kinda been low-balling the power of Kaido's Kaifu (which Roof-top Buso Zoro and Killer scale to):

    1. The normal Kaifu even made the likes of Law and G4 Post Udon Luffy and G5 Luffy dodge (though tbf Killer also had to dodge them, but that just proves that the Kaifu are comparable to his durability [which scales to BM's hits] as well)

    2. When G5 Luffy was hit with Tatsumaki Kaifu, he bled from them and was clearly in pain.


    Also, Killer's other feats are underestimated too:

    When he and Kid got hit by the Fulgora, he recovered quicker than Kidd did and looked less damaged.

    Also, he was the only one to emerge from the off-screen fighting against Kaido and BM between chapters 1003 and 1008 without visible bruises.

    Also, when he attacked Napoleon, he had to have knocked it out of Big Mom's grip, which is an incredible strength feat.

    Lastly, when BM was knocked off the roof but was saved by Prometheus, Kid was confident that he and Killer could take her on, implying that Killer was comparable enough to Kid so that he could help fight Big Mom.


    Just some food for thought. Especially since the Kaifu stuff scales to both Killer and Buso Rooftop Zoro.
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    Also, the rule about needing a CRT is only for " sweeping or significant changes", according to the editing rules page, and I only edit supporting justifications and do not touch the characters' tiers whatsoever, so I don't think my changes qualify as significant/sweeping whatsoever.

    And when I mentioned a supporting justification I added a while back to Kingtempest, he didn't seem to mind.

    He only seems to mind when the justifications are incorrect, and whenever he and/or other mods (Damage, Mitch, etc) disagree with them, I remove them.
    No where on there does it state CRT are only for stuff like tier changes, what you've been doing is still vandalism which is effecting the character's scaling and their justification for scaling which you've then immediately abused in the abundant amount of in-verse VS battle threads you keep making, for example.

    A lot of these changes (Mind you I don't even know all the changes you've made due to the lack of CRT) have also been blatantly wrong, which is why a CRT is made as the same editing rules states:
    please start a thread in our Content Revision forum first, so that the suggestions may be evaluated by our Staff and our community at large, to ensure that they are acceptable.
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    Supporting justifications are not significant or sweeping changes.

    And stop calling it vandalism. Adding accurate support justifications is not vandalism.

    Vandalism is "action involving deliberate destruction of or damage to public or private property".

    And you can't really say I "abused" the King change (which Mitch agreed with when I asked him about it on Discord, btw) when it literally did not change the outcome and Law still won. Even if it hadn't been there, King and Law would've still been comparable in AP, and it was a support feat. It's not like Zoan King had zero other feats on that level.

    And I already removed the BM stuff a while ago since you rightly pointed out why it was wrong.
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    You missed the point completely, nowhere on that thread does it state a CRT is only made for significant or sweeping changes.

    That's the term used in the RVR thread when unaccepted changes are applied, and that's what you did. If I wrote on Marco's profile; "Superior to Gear 5th Luffy & Oden as he effortlessly blocked Kaidou's Blast Breath which overpowered them" that would still be vandalism regardless of whether or not the person editing believes it to be true as it's adding new scaling that hasn't been "evaluated by staff and the community at large".

    Like I already told you in that thread, Mitch agreeing to you on his discord server isn't equivalent to staff approval on a CRT. It definitely comes off that way dude, the outcome of the vs thread isn't relevant here as the issue here pertains to what you did and not what others voted for; you made changes to Zoan King's scaling chain that would scale him higher than he did prior and then went on to bump the thread to highlight King's advantages, when said advantages were never accepted and in fact when you tried adding them with a CRT they were rejected (at least by me).

    That's not the process though, It shouldn't take me looking at the profiles and randomly noticing something stupidly wrong was added there. Like I said in my previous message "Mind you I don't even know all the changes you've made due to the lack of CRT" there could potentially be more and that's the issue with you adding these changes without any CRT as it prevents any input being given. Make a CRT so everyone is aware of what you're trying to change and can give input then if it's blatantly wrong.
    Do you remember where it's stated that Kaku's Amane Daichi was the strongest Rankyaku? And wouldn't that make his superior or at least comparable to Lucci's? Because I saw in another post someone saying Lucci's was still superior.
    Hey Emin, I think we may need to change Zoro's 2 Wano keys.

    Remember how Zoro's buso haki (the normal stuff) got way stronger compared to the start of the fight?

    Instead of "Post-Mink medicine", we should have Zoro's current key be "Post-King fight", similar to how Luffy has a "Post-Katakuri fight" key.

    It was only after he unlocked Enma and Hao Infusion that his normal Buso Haki matched Imperial Flame + Buso King, and there's nothing saying the Mink Medicine actually boosted his stats compared to the rooftop.

    His normal Buso went from getting stomped by Buso King to overwhelming Flame + Buso King.

    Thus, the only changes will be that Zoro's current key should be called something like "Post-Enma Awakening" or something like that, and it'll only focus on his stuff during and after he awakens Enma, while the few feats he has before that will be moved to the previous key (since nothing actually says he got buffed by the mink medicine itself).
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    First of all, stop making changes to the statistics without CRT's. Pretty sure you can only do that if you're a content mod. So if you intend to apply any of this, make a CRT first.
    Instead of "Post-Mink medicine", we should have Zoro's current key be "Post-King fight", similar to how Luffy has a "Post-Katakuri fight" key.
    Sure seems fine.
    It was only after he unlocked Enma and Hao Infusion that his normal Buso Haki matched Imperial Flame + Buso King, and there's nothing saying the Mink Medicine actually boosted his stats compared to the rooftop.

    His normal Buso went from getting stomped by Buso King to overwhelming Flame + Buso King.
    No, what happened with Enma/Hao Infusion had no effect on his regular Buso, that just grew throughout the fight with King to eventually reach that level independently from Enma/Hao.

    The key isn't implying that the mink medicine made him stronger and no one thinks that's the reason he's stronger now, it's there to show where this key takes place.
    Thus, the only changes will be that Zoro's current key should be called something like "Post-Enma Awakening" or something like that, and it'll only focus on his stuff during and after he awakens Enma, while the few feats he has before that will be moved to the previous key (since nothing actually says he got buffed by the mink medicine itself).
    No, Zoro grew stronger throughout the King fight even before 1033, it wasn't due to Enma's awakening etc.

    Applying those feats to an earlier key is inaccurate as Zoro just as in the king fight would have grown stronger throughout the rooftop similar to Luffy. So no, applying everything pre Hao infusion to that first key is wrong.
    Hey, I know Zoro attacking King when Sanji attacked Queen and making King bleed was only due to King being caught off-guard, but isn't it still worth adding to Post-Mink Buso Zoro's write-up?

    Nice work on the Awakened Lucci expansion btw, though considering Kaku is gonna fight Zoro in the next chapter I don't think you should ask for the Awakened Lucci CRT to be closed since if Base/Hybrid Kaku just holds his own and doesn't get one-shot by Zoro then he's High 6-A which Base/Hybrid Lucci would definitely scale to.
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    1. No problem. That's absurd, using an off-site vs thread.

    2. He was still using 2 swords in the fight with Base Kaku

    And it's still more reliable than scaling him flat-out to 3-sword Zoro.

    And honestly, I've talked with Mitch and King about this, and they both point out that Zoro's 1-sword and 2-sword are still comparable in power to his 3-sword style's level of power.

    Also, is there any way we can speed up discussing the Lucci > Kaku scaling in the Awakened Lucci CRT already?
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    Holding two swords isn't the same as actually using two swords, nothing more to it.

    You wouldn't scale him to 3 sword Zoro in the first place.

    Well they're wrong, if either you or them care to bring up this point whenever the official release is out and the scaling is discussed I'll bring up examples showing why.

    I'll keep it simple, to my knowledge Lucci has no justification for scaling to Kaku. Statement's or scaling from two years ago aren't valid which should be pretty blatant considering we don't use Zoro's & Luffy's equal strength statements in the Post-Timeskip.
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    Regardless, my biggest issue with the Kaku stuff is the fact his strongest rokushiki technique was destroyed by one sword Zoro. If you're proposing base Kaku is equal to that same Zoro then that shouldn't be possible.

    Clashes in general are fine, however, they can and have given contradicting feats in the past (especially when it comes to Zoro clashes; Monet/Hyouzou).

    Personally I still say to wait until next chapter to see if there is more consistency for Kaku's scaling.
    Hey Emin, I have a minor Sanji question. So we know that his 2nd usage of the Raid Suit activated his exoskeleton. So would it be possible that his first use of the Raid Suit (against Page One) is what led to his Onigashima key? And that his Onigashima key is just for after his first Raid Suit usage against Page One?

    I mean, he's not shown training before the Raid like Luffy and Zoro are.
    Just curious, why does Zoan Queen's durability only downscale from Marco's attack, when the Phoenix attack that hit Zoan Queen didn't do much more than draw a bit of blood?

    I mean, with Base Queen it makes sense since Queen was sent flying by one kick in his base, but Zoan Queen took that Phoenix Brand and, asides from some blood, wasn't too affected by it.
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    Ok, though I was never the one who put Kidd tanking off-screen Hao as a durability feat.
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    I'm aware, but you did add that justifcation on Big Mom's which is largely inaccurate.

    While the Kid durability justification involving Hao is most likely inaccurate (Him taking a hit from misery may also be inaccurate as it seems he jumped out of the way of it's strike) it would need to be changed with a CRT.
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    Other people like Kachon say that Misery hit him, that's why I put it there.
    2 minor Zoro things:

    1. When Killer claims he would've beaten Zoro had he had the Sonic Scythes, I feel like there's a good chance he was referring to the utterly broken sonic dura-neg of the sonic scythes, since there's no way he was that much weaker with normal scythes than his sonic ones in terms of actual AP (since nothing in the story actually tates Killer was weakened when he fought Zoro). I mean, if current Zoro had to fight with 3 normal swords instead of his 3 current ones, would he really be that much weaker than his current base (outside of not unleashing Enma)?

    2. I know Damage said Zoro scaring Base Queen was not a legit AP feat (although it is a decent speed feat for Zoro) since Queen does overreact to minor stuff (although said "minor stuff" is usually pretty serious, like his #1 prisoner [Luffy] trying to escape or his enemies bringing 5000 men via a sneak attack), but considering how Zoro didn't even view Base Queen as worth his time, and considering how Queen hasn't been shown in Wano to be scared of incoming attacks, it seems like a decent supporting feat to me.

    Especially since, as I mentioned, Base Zoro didn't view Base Queen as a threat.

    With that said, he did say that Zoan Queen (and King) wouldn't be easy after Zoan Queen blocked him and Luffy from reaching the roof, so this would only be related to Base Queen, not his Zoan form(s).
    Could i ask, where do you the read the colored OP manga?
    Fireld
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    True. Real funny how the same chapter we have Buggy debut as a Warlord, he was joking about becoming a Yonko; man how the years flew.

    I think too that's main reason he got the position, the other is partly his strength cuz the marines called him a monster for stealing all those pirate hearts. Jimbei got his postion as a symbol of peace between men-fishmen & partly for his strength. After a VA clashed evenly with him, he did call him strong when reporting back at HQ. Strength was secondary for these 2 in specific.
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    Aside from the Zoro, Mihawk & Hyogoro, have we seen anybody else who can use the Mighty Blade technique? Would just about anobody that can cut iron/steel or people with that kind of tougness, count as having that technique? Or Shanks? He chopped all of Kid's metal but his torso wasn't visibly cut kinda like Zoro cut a rock but left those leaves intact.
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    Ryuma is stated to have it, Kin'emon implied to have it.

    Not just anyone cutting metal has it since it can be done with raw strength like when east Blue Zoro destroyed Hatchan's swords or Hyozou cutting through steel after getting a strength amp from drugs.

    Could definitely make an argument for Shanks having it though.
    On Kin'emon's profile, for his Buso Haki, his AP justification mentions how he cut through Kaido's Bolo Breath, but isn't Foxfire Style not applicable for AP?
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    It's not; it can cut through any fire so it isn't dependent on AP.

    But the justification on the profile isn't for Kin'emon cutting the fire it's for him cutting Kaidou's face, it's giving the whole feat so those reading know what it's referencing.
    Seeing as to how you made the Boa Hancock CRT, I would like to ask something since I'm in no way knowledgeable on the verse. Basically if an enemy had the ability to deform, mutate, and/or generally just make an enemy ugly/average. Besides physical contact, how else would she activate her petrification?
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    The physical contact turning people to stone regardless is getting changed in that CRT.

    But, if she lost her beauty she probably wouldn't be able to turn people to stone only inanimate objects.
    Hey Emin, I have a small concern about Pre-Mink Wano Zoro's durability.

    His durability section says that he took a Tenmai from Big Mom, but looking at the link nothing shows that Zoro got hit.

    Hell, even the anime shows him dodging the lightning.
    You confused me: You said WB's title isn't strength related here then you say in 2 threads that it really is indeed powerlevel related. Which is it now?
    Also 2 other things to support WB title being power related: Him saying to Crocodile he can't stay the strongest forever. Only after his death Kaido gets called "The Strongest Pirate".
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    When did I say that? Sengoku announced him as the strongest man in the world in reference to his title, how did Skull retcon that statement? No one is denying that Whitebeard's title denotes great threat but the only actual description on it's meaning states that it's not as simple as Whitebeard > the rest of humanity.

    The vivre card states he was the world's strongest man before the end of the pirate era; this title refers to his pirating life in some degree as that's the only description we have for it. Whitebeard was also stated the strongest pirate in his vivre card's as well before the end of the pirate era, as was Kaidou after Whitebeard's death; This title however probably doesn't refer to individual strength as during the era Whitebeard held that title he was also stated and shown to be equal to other pirates like Roger and Shikki when it comes to individual power.

    Because we have statements from the databooks and in the story that other pirates (Roger and Shikki) were Whitebeard's equal in individual strength.
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    Before the Novel, the titles weren't described like that. Sengoku put him above the pirates of the current era right after Marineford ended & his title was right next to Mihawk in the beginning of the arc which was used to estimate the swordsman's power.

    Not sure why his Strongest Man title is related to pirating when it doesn't even have anything pirate-related in its name. So Killer calling Kaido the Strongest Pirate has more to do about his great past life as a pirate rather than his powerlevel with the context:"He & Kid are about to fight Kaido & they need as much ammo as possible against him."? Later Kaido himself said to Luffy that there's nobody currently that can beat him.

    I've to disagree. Having a person who's stronger than him would debunk his title; not having someone who can even in strength. Sonic has the title as the fastest hedgehog in world/history, it's legit as it has been repeated numerous times & made clear it's all about speed. Shadow has equaled him since his introduction. They're both the fastest, Sonic still kept his title because his the most famous about this attribute out of the 2. Even if you disagree & follow your logic, Shiki=Roger=WB(in physicality & haki only). Roger fought WB equally while the later wasn't using his Devil Fruit Power neither in their manga clash nor the extended anime fight. Shiki admitted after Roger's death it would be WB's era & WB did threaten to beat him if Shiki contiuned to annoy him.
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    Ok, had to re-read the ace novels to understand some things:

    As far as the world's strongest man title is concerned there isn't anything in the novels that suggests that title doesn't refer to Whitebeard's actual strength and in fact if anything implies it to be true. However, I don't believe this title still remains true to old/sick Whitebeard as he himself says in marineford that he couldn't remain the strongest forever; he recieved this title before the great pirate era but it's not like there was ever an opportunity that he could lose it and unlike Mihawk's title WB's was never confirmed to be a standing title in name and actuality.

    I also agree with your judgement that Shikki and Roger can be weaker than Whitebeard due to him not using the gura gura no mi, although some would argue that the statements themselves imply that they equaled him with the gura included (despite that not being shown).

    Regarding the "World's Strongest Pirate" title, this is what was described as being attributed to Newgate's "Very life"; this is reaffirmed in the same chapter as the novel by stating that Kaidou was the strongest when it came to battle power in a one-on-one fight. Keeping in mind this doesn't contradict Whitebeard's WSM title as Kaidou is an Oni and wouldn't be categorized with mankind.

    So as far as the World's Strongest Pirate title is concerned it's not related to strength; or at the very least it's releation to strength isn't as direct as the name would imply, i.e the "WSP" isn't stronger than any other Pirate in pure individual combat power.
    Sorry to bother you, but @Antvasima is somewhat in favor of my CRT, but I made some changes/additions to the OP (mainly stuff concerning what value Zoan Drake and Buso Zoro scale to), so if you want to check it out again that'd be great.

    Basically, Zoan Drake is shown fighting an Apoo that was using his 1-petaton Devil Fruit off-screen, and Drake damaged and fought off-screen the CP0 leader who tanked a 1 petaton Boom attack from Apoo (as in the same one that one-shot Base Luffy who also had 1-petaton durability via tanking Big Mom's attacks). And the CP0 leader should be comparable to his masked subordinates, who were only a bit hurt by the 1-petaton Kazenbo.

    No, Queen doesn't scale, since he only attacked and hurt Base Drake.

    In addition to this, Buso Zoro not only fought Hybrid Drake, but he one-shot Killer, who has 1-petaton durability. So he'd scale too.
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    One more thing on the Hakai feat:

    Considering how neither Kid nor Law wanted to block it and it was stated that it would've killed all of them, Zoro blocking the Hakai and only having some broken bones to show for it is arguably more of a support than an anti-feat for his pre-medicine buso being 1.032 petatons, since it seems that the narrative was showing his buso's power level to be at least on the level of those like Kid and Law.
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    I'm sorry for pestering you so much recently, btw.

    It's just that you're the best person for me to discuss these things with.
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    Could you give me a quick break down on what you're proposing please?
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    Of course.

    And btw I discussed this with Kingtempest and he agreed with me.

    So Nami and Usopp have durability comparable to Base Tobiroppo due to being relative but still weaker than Zoan Tobiroppo (like tanking hits from Ulti but being badly hurt).

    By Jack's statement, even an injured Neko should be above the Tobiroppo.

    Thus, Perospero should be >= a base Tobiroppo for holding his own against Neko and tanking hits from him even if they did heavy damage.
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    Thank you, I'll respond to the thread now
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