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One Piece Top Tiers and God Tiers Revision
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DaMonkeMan
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What about Kaidou?
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same
DaMonkeMan
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I feel he should scale to it but OK
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But all of them have been stated to be comparable, if slightly inferior, to Kaidou in terms of raw power, so Kaidou when trying hard should not be two tiers above them. That doesn't make any sense.
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Kaidou only has that rating with a specific attack.
He and the other Yonkou are comparable in their other stats.
Nobody else scaled to Luffy's Bajrang Gun before before this revision, so they wouldn't start scaling to it now.
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I think nobody really paid much attention to that before because Bajrang Gun was just 4x the value that all Yonko scaled to, but now that it's a massive difference, this becomes more noticeable
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Yes, agreed. 6-B doesn't make any sense for them.
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It's possible we'll get more feats and more scaling for the characters in the near-future, so I don't think we need to rush in to trying to scale 70+ characters off of the strongest attack in the verse so far. That's just my thoughts on it currently.
I get the power discrepency, but One Piece has always had extreme power discrepencies.
6-B is currently the most consistent rating.
Would you prefer if the High 6-A was removed altogether?
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Honestly, the only thing I could potentially propose is that given that Bajrang Gun is at least 4x Gear 5th, we could have an additional "at most" rating that would put Gear 5th at at most 1/4 of Bajrang Gun's value (so at most 1.109 petatons)
Profiles would be like: "At least 6-B, at most 6-A"
However, I'm also not putting too much stock in this idea if I'm being honest. It's just something that came to mind as a way to potentially appease all sides
Profiles would be like: "At least 6-B, at most 6-A"
However, I'm also not putting too much stock in this idea if I'm being honest. It's just something that came to mind as a way to potentially appease all sides
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No, it is a very legitimate feat. I am just saying that at the very least "at most 6-A" ratings seem warranted for Yonkou-level characters.
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Yes, I thought much the same thing.
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Okay, I understand. I just don't think there's enough supporting evidence for that currently.
We're about to get into a major fight in the current arc, so let's just see if we get more feats and scaling.
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Oh and also Imu through Mother Flame.
He also scales to (at the least, at the most considerably above) H6A now though nobody scales to it yet
He also scales to (at the least, at the most considerably above) H6A now though nobody scales to it yet
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Imu doesn't scale to that.
He has the authority to fire a weapon that is potentially that powerful, but I wouldn't say that Imu himself scales to that.
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I don't think anyone scales to the Mother Flame atm, we'd need to wait until later to see if anyone scales to it
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It's like I just hadn't said "through Mother Flame" and "though nobody scales to it yet"
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But you were saying Imu does, right?
Imu has the authority to fire it but that doesn’t mean he scales to it
Imu has the authority to fire it but that doesn’t mean he scales to it
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O.K
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@Elizhaa @CrimsonStarFallen @DemonGodMitchAubin @DarkDragonMedeus @KingTempest
What do you think about this?
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You haven't provided any evidence to go along with your proposed ratings.
Kaidou and Big Mom are directly shown to be comparable in their base forms by clashing and battling with each other.
Big Mom is not shown to be comparable to Kaidou's most powerful attack.
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True.
Also true.
Since the actual CRT was completed and applied, I'm not sure this needs to be open any longer @Antvasima New scaling changes can be handled on their own thread if there's any need.
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I suppose so.
No.
Base Luffy doesn't scale to Gear 3 Luffy. Same principle.
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We don't Gear 3's KE for its AP. If we did, Base Luffy would scale to that KE and Gear 3 would just scale above that.
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What you said doesn't make any sense. Gear 3 scales above Gear 3?
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Was it not because Luffy yanked it?
DaMonkeMan
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Not sure if this is the same thing but don't we scale casual G5 Luffy and Lucci to lifting Bajrang Gun?
What's different with this
What's different with this
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@Antvasima your argument is based around incredulity. We do not grant characters ratings because “we cannot believe they’re at such and such level”. Furthermore, there’s no reason to start scaling everyone to Kaido’s strongest attack.
Also, Luffy shouldn’t scale to Bajrang Gun with his base attacks for the same reason Luffy’s base attacks don’t scale to Golden Rifle. But I can go more into depth with that once I get my power to the house back.
Also, Luffy shouldn’t scale to Bajrang Gun with his base attacks for the same reason Luffy’s base attacks don’t scale to Golden Rifle. But I can go more into depth with that once I get my power to the house back.
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@Damage3245 Just so you know, you left a High 6-A calc in Kaido’s AP justification.
You left it on Shiki’s page too.
You left it on Shiki’s page too.
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@LordTracer; thanks, I thought I had caught those but missed them. Will fix them now.
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That scene is anime only. In the manga the only time he's shown using air for self-expansion is when he uses fusen inside of Kaido.
We are NOT using an anime-only addition scene to assume Bajrang Gun uses air based inflation when there's other instances where the anime added scenes that Oda had no hand in that we fully chose to ignore the adaptation of for those same reasons.
And If that specific episode's added scenes are held to high regard then Luffy's solo cloud split should be held for consideration as well.
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You're not wrong, but Luffy was off-screen when he made the gigantic fist to grab Kaidou so we can't say whether he blew air into his limb or not.
This isn't a thread to re-do the Bajrang Gun calc though, so we won't go over it anymore here.
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I mean he also reveals the moon off screen so it's safe to assume the solo cloud dispersal's valid too.
But I do agree. Bajrang Gun shouldn't be far off from being adapted anyway so we'll cross that bridge when and if we get there
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