It had to be done | Naruto and Sasuke vs Luffy and Zoro | 11-0-0 (grace ended)

[Brogeefrong]

The 5-C downgrade happened for Naruto
Now it's time for One Piece vs Naruto again
War Arc Six Paths Naruto and Sasuke are used
Luffy and Zoro are both Post Wano
Pirates are >33.6 Exatons, and Luffy is 1.381 Zettatons with the Bajrang Gun
Ninja's are 88 Exatons in Base, 177 Exatons in SPSM, and 266 Exatons with Asura Avatar, Indra's Arrow and the Majestic Attire Susano'o (I might have gotten the ap values wrong)
They start in their base and can transform
Speed is not equalized
Votes
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PirAte's:0
soul reapers:0

 

[Nierre]

Which versions of Naruto and Sasuke

 

[Huesito88]

Which versions of Naruto and Sasuke

Yes

 

[Nierre]

Oh nvm he edited

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

The 5-C downgrade happened for Naruto

It´s Narutover

 

[Kachon123]

Should've picked Sanji and Luffy

 

[Brogeefrong]

Should've picked Sanji and Luffy

why sanji

 

[Kachon123]

Because he's him

 

[DivineAura44]

why sanji

Cuz Sanji better .

 

[Brogeefrong]

Bump

 

[Sinpokefan]

Naruto and sasuke are 2.11 C

While Luffy and zoro go anywhere between 3.61 C to 8.74 C

Sooooo difference from 1.7109004739336493 to 4.1421800947867299 times

So slightly faster to blitzing

 

[Huesito88]

Naruto and sasuke are 2.11 C

While Luffy and zoro go anywhere between 3.61 C to 8.74 C

Sooooo difference from 1.7109004739336493 to 4.1421800947867299 times

So slightly faster to blitzing

That's not blitzing range

Edit It's still a huge advantage though

 

[Brogeefrong]

Naruto and sasuke are 2.11 C

While Luffy and zoro go anywhere between 3.61 C to 8.74 C

Sooooo difference from 1.7109004739336493 to 4.1421800947867299 times

So slightly faster to blitzing

Speed is equal

 

[Kachon123]

Make it unequal considering the AP difference

 

[Brogeefrong]

Make it unequal considering the AP difference

ok

 

[speedster352]

Any counters to Genjutsu?

 

[Kachon123]

Kenbunshoku Haki

 

[speedster352]

Kenbunshoku Haki

Explain

 

[Kachon123]

Explain

Allows Zoro and Luffy to sense, hear, and see things beyond tricks of the mind, which would include genjutsu.

 

[speedster352]

Allows Zoro and Luffy to sense, hear, and see things beyond tricks of the mind, which would include genjutsu.

But wouldn’t they be incapacitated even if they weren’t wouldn’t it still hinder them for the duo to keep landing attacks?

 

[Kachon123]

But wouldn’t they be incapacitated

In what way?

even if they weren’t wouldn’t it still hinder them for the duo to keep landing attacks?

How so?

 

[speedster352]

In what way?

How so?

Genjutsu knocks people out haven’t you seen Naruto? Let’s put genjutsu aside for now. Any counters to chibaku tensei, Truth seeker orbs, insane statistics amplification for Naruto and Sasuke, Amaterasu plus other attacks, shadow clones with biju clocks and etc.

 

[Kachon123]

Genius knocks people out haven’t you seen Naruto?

Kenbun allows Zoro and Luffy to either fight while sleeping, or simply wake up from sleeping.

Any counters to chibaku tensei

Far greater LS, and attacks that can go through far stronger gravity.

Truth seeker orbs

Buso Emission to avoid getting hit.

insane statistics amplification for Naruto and Sasuke

Their own stat amps.

Amaterasu plus other attacks

Buso Emission.

shadow clones

Haoshoku Haki.

biju clocks

I don't know what a biju clock is.

 

[speedster352]

Kenbun allows Zoro and Luffy to either fight while sleeping, or simply wake up from sleeping.

Far greater LS, and attacks that can go through far stronger gravity.

Buso Emission to avoid getting hit.

Their own stat amps.

Buso Emission.

Haoshoku Haki.

I don't know what a biju clock is.

That’s great and all but their minds would still be wrecked by Genjutsu. Sasuke chibaku tensei makes them the core itself and it would basically be genjutsu plus chibaku tensei just like it was with the tailed beast. But they can’t attack Naruto because of the truth seeker orbs which he can add into his attacks that have massive aoe. Also if he harnesses all the nature energy on the planet he would get exponentially stronger. Anyway try getting the naruto supporters.

 

[Kachon123]

That’s great and all but their minds would still be wrecked by Genjutsu

In what way and based on what? Buso in general allows resistance to mind manipulation via Viola's devil fruit and characters in One Piece are immune to mental attacks and mind manipulation via willpower. Those two added on top Kenbun would make them unaffected by Sasuke's genjutsu.

Sasuke chibaku tensei makes them the core itself

That works similar in nature to Kid's devil fruit, which they could resist via Haki.

they can’t attack Naruto because of the truth seeker orbs which he can add into his attacks that have massive aoe

Naruto only has nine of these. A single Gum Gum Jet Gatling coated in Buso Emission would get rid of these.

 

[karo_senpaii]

Allows Zoro and Luffy to sense, hear, and see things beyond tricks of the mind, which would include genjutsu.

Sasuke genjustu is layered so this is pointless. They are not getting past 3 or 4 layers of mind manipulation

 

[Brogeefrong]

Sasuke genjustu is layered so this is pointless. They are not getting past 3 or 4 layers of mind manipulation

Haki stuff also has layers

 

[karo_senpaii]

Haki stuff also has layers

How many?

 

[Kachon123]

How many?

Luffy 7, Zoro 6.

 

[karo_senpaii]

Luffy 7, Zoro 6.

You know according to the new layering standard all those have been nuked

 

[Brogeefrong]

You know according to the new layering standard all those have been nuked

One piece layers got accepted

 

[Kachon123]

You know according to the new layering standard all those have been nuked

No they haven't. One Piece's layers got evaluated in the official thread and it was decided that they would stay.

Verses that Keep Their Layers

• Dungeons & Dragons
• Blazblue
• Choi Yoon-seok
• One Piece
• Danny Phantom
• Warhammer 40K
• Ergenverse
• God of War

 

[karo_senpaii]

No they haven't. One Piece's layers got evaluated in the official thread and it was decided that they would stay.

Oh then carry on. Honestly I'm neutral about the thread

 

[speedster352]

Luffy 7, Zoro 6.

Actually Sasuke has the rinnegan which is stated in the databook to have the most powerful genjutsu so it’s another layer so maybe 8 to 9 layers

 

[Jaakor48]

Isn't one piece illusions type mostly just knocking them out? Or am I mistaken?

Naruto's illusions are far more complex, and in most cases, the knockout effect is just a side effect due to the mind being controlled

 

[Brogeefrong]

Actually Sasuke has the rinnegan which is stated in the databook to have the most powerful genjutsu so it’s another layer so maybe 8 to 9 layers

i never knew 3+1 was 8 and 4+1 was 9
Wait so where do the extra layers come from

 

[Brogeefrong]

Isn't one piece illusions type mostly just knocking them out? Or am I mistaken?

Naruto's illusions are far more complex, and in most cases, the knockout effect is just a side effect due to the mind being controlled

Its treated the same way for both sides on this site im pretty sure

 

[speedster352]

In what way and based on what? Buso in general allows resistance to mind manipulation via Viola's devil fruit and characters in One Piece are immune to mental attacks and mind manipulation via willpower. Those two added on top Kenbun would make them unaffected by Sasuke's genjutsu.

That works similar in nature to Kid's devil fruit, which they could resist via Haki.

Naruto only has nine of these. A single Gum Gum Jet Gatling coated in Buso Emission would get rid of these.

What do you mean unaffected I am pretty sure Sasuke rinnegan genjutsu is above the verse which was reiterated in the databook. Why would haki stop the effects of the truth seeker orbs? Also breaking them won’t cause them to vanish that’s not how they work. Kakashi kamui part of madara TSB and it regenerated. Sasuke chibaku tensei is the strongest since it affected the biju who mind you could bust out of it(the nine tails did so) so it’s above baseline.

 

[speedster352]

i never knew 3+1 was 8 and 4+1 was 9
Wait so where do the extra layers come from

Check the genjutsu potency blog

 

[Brogeefrong]

Check the genjutsu potency blog

Does the >>> really give 3 layers from Six paths Dojutsu compared to the EMS?