Overall , I just don't think we should differentiate period it's not a huge difference either way, we can at most say higher with Haki, but it's still not notable.
We need something for Base Hody to scale for and currently I don't see it. Until we can find something there the energy steroid scaling won't work.
Guess we don't have to then if it's not much of a difference.
Luffy was casual AF during that and the fact base luffy could trash energy steroid Hody who should be stronger than him showsits likely a fact he just wasn't serious.
Hody shouldn't be stronger than Hyouzou & Luffy wasn't casual, they laughed at Sanji who was dying.
Hody is his leader he should absolutely be stronger than Hyozou not to mention this was him using multiple energy steroids, and he was casual he was dealing with riff raff. Him calling him strong just means he's higher than fodder tier.
Even if he's hundreds or even thousands of times stronger than arlong that still wouldn't get him anywhere notable
Again being the leader doesn't automatically mean they're the strongest unless its stated or shown, or maybe if the crew structure is based on a strength hierarchy.
Why would a pirate crew have someone as the leader who is tens of time weaker than the other guy, and he would need to be that much stronger as luffy bullied an energy steroided hody. That makes no sense.
Hyouzou isn't apart of the crew... He was payed by Hody to aid them, Hyouzou was even willing to work for Arlong if Arlong payed him, they'll still work for Hody since he's the leader and the guy paying for Hyouzou's services, they won't start following some random guy who doesn't believe in their ideals just because his power level is big.
Don't think he did, we see in chapter 610 he's completely unharmed. But I guess I could accept > 1/3 of G2 if that fits with site standards.
Why would it need to be commented on? Feats are just as valid as statements.
No it is not in this case, Oda has always set up the fights with the strawhats as 1st strongest, 2nd strongest , 3rd strongest, and then it's questionable from there whenever the final fights start , unless there's an obvious deviation. Zoro except in the fight with Morgan as it was his arc fought against a stronger opponent than luffy and won.
If Hody took 20 pills, he would be over 1 million times stronger than his base form.
That's not a rule at all. And it's not enough to dismiss Hyouzou's feats.
Should we really assume it's 2x2x2.... Wouldn't it make more sense to assume than an extra energy steroid doubles only from base? Meaning one steroid = x2 and two steroids = x4?
Hyozou's feat is taking an attack meant to KO two fodder tier opponents, that just means he's stronger than the fodder, nothing there indicates to me that he's stronger than Hody.
Luffy has no way of knowing their tier or strength, if he was planning on just wiping out fodder like you said he wouldn't go into gear second.
Actually he does he has haki to sense power levels.
Thank you I forgot about that, this argument was stupid to begin with.
Quote from the manga.
It really isn't, that Vivre card was for Zoro's pre-timeskip, which I agree with somewhat (although there are clear cases of it being untrue with Ryuma)
Guess I read it wrong then, seems completely fine.
Even if he took 20 steroids 2^20 * 11 tons of tnt would still only be 11 Megatons of tnt , which is barely 7-B territory.
No, that quote is directly from the pre-timeskip Zoro Vivre card. That isn't the vivre card, that's from Artur's translations.
He took 4 prior to that instance.
Why use the post-ts image. Give me proof it was pre TS, because everything I see there refers to Post TS. Regardless, I'm done talking about this, because it's straight up illogical. If damage agrees with it then I'll argue about it further otherwise it's pointless.
pretty sure your argument is just 'argument from incredulity'
Also prove Luffy can do this, I missed this.
That's 'Burden of rejoinder' I think, that's just a concession.
