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Ikki's Reactive Evolution justification is an example of Skill-based RE tho
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Skill Wars: The Skill Strikes Back
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Hmm, I see. Alright I guess, I just believe it's really good Analytical Prediction.
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Like Saint Seiya Reactive Evolution?
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What comes to mind is:
-When pure statistics aren't the reason.
-When the thing that becomes better is something more or less skill based.
-When it isn't brought about by something external like a supernatural source, technology or whatever, meaning there's no "unquantifiable" factor that caused the evolution.
Granted, under such a situation I think Adaptation fits much better all around, but context is what matters.
-When pure statistics aren't the reason.
-When the thing that becomes better is something more or less skill based.
-When it isn't brought about by something external like a supernatural source, technology or whatever, meaning there's no "unquantifiable" factor that caused the evolution.
Granted, under such a situation I think Adaptation fits much better all around, but context is what matters.
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MrDrProfessorPatricio said:
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But you gotta admit, Perfect Vision is 20% hax 80% skill tho.
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Ikki grasps the nature behind the person's whole being, and then becomes able to perfectly tell how they will act, attack patterns and thought proccesses and feelings added in, including "thoughtless" actions since trying to act thoughtless is itself an action with thought behind it.
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Perfect vision?
It's just ikki's analytical prediction. It's just too good. As in too good to even be fair. No one on this list can actually escape that analytical prediction.
It's just ikki's analytical prediction. It's just too good. As in too good to even be fair. No one on this list can actually escape that analytical prediction.
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Nah, that is actually bullshit. But I have stopped trying to argue skill stuff here and mostly comment on things.
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Can you explain it again?
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Oh nvm, just saw it.
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Pretty sure no one here can actually escape getting their identity stolen.LSirLancelotDuLacl said:
Though Kenichi (when i finish the series) will be capable of doing that.
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I dunno, predicting what is destined to happen through sheer mental calculation and every possibility of an attack is pretty good too. That of course assumes that Ikki can comprehend their identity.
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That would preclude, first of all, deciding that Ikki can perfectly understand the thought process and identity of anyone and everyone no matter what.
Which is a premise I am sure you get from my tone, is nothing I will believe just because, ever.
Which is a premise I am sure you get from my tone, is nothing I will believe just because, ever.
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Is that based on their own merit or because you will be arguing it? ovo
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I think Itachi at least needs a mention here, his shuriken and kunai skills are next level and his skill as a hand to hand fighter and a strategist is extremely good.
He had some pretty insane skill feats as just a kid as well, like knowning how to do with tsunade and sakura did with chakra to boost their strength but did it without learning it as a child, becoming an Anbu at the age of 11 and other stuff.
He had some pretty insane skill feats as just a kid as well, like knowning how to do with tsunade and sakura did with chakra to boost their strength but did it without learning it as a child, becoming an Anbu at the age of 11 and other stuff.
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Yes ouo.AnonymousBlank said:
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I agree with you, but more expansive descriptions will be needed.Rocker1189 said:
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I mean as long as they're "normal" yes. Conisdering ikki does this to everyone, from fodder people who have no idea what martial arts are to Edelweiss (peak skill) and desperados. I don't see why he would be unable to comprehend an identity as long as you don't just go full on bananzas and bring abstractions or higher dimensional shit.LSirLancelotDuLacl said:
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Because Edelweiss is just a person, you don't have an uncommon thought process because you are skilled.
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Identity is pretty vague to grasp, too.
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Excuse me what do you actually mean "is just a person"? Yes she is, but what kind of being were you thinking of when you said "won't work on anyone"?LSirLancelotDuLacl said:
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??? I meant there is no reason to believe it will work on everyone, not that it wouldn't work on anyone.
And yes, she's just a person. Being skilled doesn't make your thought process a puzzle box.
And yes, she's just a person. Being skilled doesn't make your thought process a puzzle box.
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Who says there is any reason to believe it will work on ppl who Ikki literally can't comprehend?LSirLancelotDuLacl said:
Besides i said "no one on this list". No one on this list is anything Ikki can't Perfect Vision.
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Blame the series for it's weird logic. Kihara shots dozens of arrows blindly, but Ikki still sees through it.
There's a reason I have such disbelief he struggles at times, and I say this knowing the kind of people he battles.
There's a reason I have such disbelief he struggles at times, and I say this knowing the kind of people he battles.
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Trying to act thoughtless is part of identity. Trying to out out of character is part of identity. In other words, no matter what you do, your identity is still dictating all your actions.KGiffoni said:
This is Ikki's Blade Steal (which understands the principle of a style) used on people, i mean literally.
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Deciding you will start to act thoughtless is part of identity. That's true, and not debatable. But actually doing it isn't part of identity, maybe not even in a subconscious level. It's just you doing random movements. If i choose a random number between 1 and 10 nothing in my personality or identity would dictate what i would choose, thus it can't be predicted.
As for acting ooc, i agree. Although it seems like having multiple personalities would counter it, but it's a very specific case
As for acting ooc, i agree. Although it seems like having multiple personalities would counter it, but it's a very specific case
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Creaturemaster971 said:
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Yes but actually acting thoughtlessly is identity. You're not literally being mindless you're just trying to be random, your random choices are still dictated by identity.
Yes but actually acting thoughtlessly is identity. You're not literally being mindless you're just trying to be random, your random choices are still dictated by identity.
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Random is when something is done or selected without conscious decision. The only link between one's actions and one's identity is the fact the actions come from conscious thought and as such were performed by that identity directly. But the moment these actions turn random, they lose any link with the identity that performed them before. As such, they can't be predicted.Firephoenixearl said:
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Sorry, I've been a bit busy recently. Are there any changes to be made?
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