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Someone remind me of his Paramount War feats
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Hm? I think he meant to add the "higher with haki" part, he didn't say anything about changing keys. I disagree with the L7B part, btw, it makes no sense to add such a massive low-end to Luffy, so if everyone keeps 7A this L7B end should be removed.Are you suggesting we group everything from RTS to Wano under one key?
What do you mean by "everyone keeps 7-A"?Hm? I think he meant to add the "higher with haki" part, he didn't say anything about changing keys. I agree with the L7B part, btw, it makes no sense to add such a massive low-end to Luffy, so if everyone keeps 7A this L7B end should be removed.
Luffy's first key is from Post TS to Whole-Cake after his first round with Katakuri--before he resolves to evolve his Haki in order to see the future. That's how it's always been due to there literally being 0 evidence of Luffy growing stronger since Dressrosa until his fight with Kata.I'm not even sure which key you are referring to but I don't like it. Are you suggesting we group everything from RTS to Wano under one key? I don't agree with that. I also think the 7-B is irrelevant. Luffy should get a much higher rating going back to Paramount feats, then his Post-TS keys can scale from that until Doflamingo, Cracker, & katakuri (these being the only fights that pushed him and give him a boost).
Base Luffy in his first key gets scaling for a feat he performs in Whole-Cake (for the likely 7-A), but if we're gonna scale Hody to Gear 2nd Luffy, then Base gets at least partial scaling anyways rofl.Pre-Cracker Luffy only scaled to small city level iirc in base and no higher than mountain in Gear 3. POst cracker you have his base scaling to 377(ish) and Gear 3 was able to drag Katakuri into Mirror world.
The multipliers from Hody end somewhere in 7A.What do you mean by "everyone keeps 7-A"?
No he's still only small city level by feats back then not counting paramont war. 377 was after Cracker which is proof of his development.Base Luffy in his first key gets scaling for a feat he performs in Whole-Cake (for the likely 7-A), but if we're gonna scale Hody to Gear 2nd Luffy, then Base gets at least partial scaling anyways rofl.
If you're referring to Post Time-skip Key 1, it's up until just before his 2nd round with Katakuri.No he's still only small city level by feats back then not counting paramont war. 377 was after Cracker which is proof of his development.
Well, yeah, we sadly can't use the "he is the captain" logic anymore, to say he is stronger than Zoro/Sanji. But what feats he has in Marineford?No he's still only small city level by feats back then not counting paramont war. 377 was after Cracker which is proof of his development.
Bottom line Luffy needs to be changed. It looks like the SC comes from te robots but doesn't mention them and the Collosium fighters are a dead end. SHould change to reflect the robots then give him another key indicating mountain level after Cracker (When he has such a feat in Sanji if you want to use that).If you're referring to Post Time-skip Key 1, it's up until just before his 2nd round with Katakuri.
Even before MF he decked Teach and drew blood. He also remained conscious after Teach countered even though his Rubber was turned off. At MF he absorbed many hits from Kizaru and others. Now granted he was damaged but endurance can only account for so much and a difference of at least 100 is not reasonable to have him so low.But what feats he has in Marineford?
This is so valid for Mountain level pre ts, but all we'll say is "but this guy is ___ and he's stronger"Even before MF he decked Teach and drew blood. He also remained conscious after Teach countered even though his Rubber was turned off. At MF he absorbed many hits from Kizaru and others. Now granted he was damaged but endurance can only account for so much and a difference of at least 100 is not reasonable to have him so low.
I mean, Kizaru does not have a tier of his own iirc, literally everyone in H7A is at H7A because G4 is H7A, so if you have pre-TS Luffy at their level it wouldn't upgrade Luffy, but Teach does have his clash with Ace, what was the result of the calc?Even before MF he decked Teach and drew blood. He also remained conscious after Teach countered even though his Rubber was turned off. At MF he absorbed many hits from Kizaru and others. Now granted he was damaged but endurance can only account for so much and a difference of at least 100 is not reasonable to have him so low
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Can we please throw the "position" scaling out the window?
This is so valid for Mountain level pre ts, but all we'll say is "but this guy is ___ and he's stronger"
To be fair, Luffy was under the affects of Ivankov's ability to keep himself going, however he definitely deserves scaling to Blackbeard (at least partially) since he could hurt him and took a hit and could keep fighting.Even before MF he decked Teach and drew blood. He also remained conscious after Teach countered even though his Rubber was turned off. At MF he absorbed many hits from Kizaru and others. Now granted he was damaged but endurance can only account for so much and a difference of at least 100 is not reasonable to have him so low.
In his defense, he never had a chance too. He got 1shot by Luffy right after.That seems like an abuse of multipliers just to get higher ratings tbh. Hody doesn't have the feats to back it up.
The One Piece Wiki says that w/ no justification for "tolerance". I read over that arc several times just to make sure something like that wasn't a factor in the scaling.It has been a while for me but wasn't it said the fishmen build a tolerance to the pills and end up needing more of them to have the same effect?
That seems like an abuse of multipliers just to get higher ratings tbh. Hody doesn't have the feats to back it up.
He was taking new ones, in the Viz it gave a "crunch" sound effectAfter the Red-Hawk, I thought Hody was vomitting up some of the pills, but can't remember.
I was avoiding it since I didn't want to abuse tier jumping like in the Wano thread (which failed), but yeah there's a lot of tier jumping.Btw, there are any one shots that could be used to get a + or a tier jump in this part of the story? Or any zoan tier jump?
That depends on whether the multipliers for Hody Jones are used, and what exact values he scales to.A good amount of the characters would be 7A due to scaling above Hody anyway no?
I don't agree with the underwater multiplier being used, and I don't think that the idea of giving him 20 multipliers is that supported by his feats. Stacking multipliers to get higher results makes me very uneasy when we could more commonly just go by the feats of the characters themselves.Tempest surely wants to use the multipliers and i didn't see anyone else disagreeing with them, the final value was 369 megatons iirc.