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Someone remind me of his Paramount War feats
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One Piece Post Timeskip Up to Dressrosa
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Hm? I think he meant to add the "higher with haki" part, he didn't say anything about changing keys. I disagree with the L7B part, btw, it makes no sense to add such a massive low-end to Luffy, so if everyone keeps 7A this L7B end should be removed.
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So... we scaling to 420?
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What do you mean by "everyone keeps 7-A"?
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than you, i couldnt find it.
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Luffy's first key is from Post TS to Whole-Cake after his first round with Katakuri--before he resolves to evolve his Haki in order to see the future. That's how it's always been due to there literally being 0 evidence of Luffy growing stronger since Dressrosa until his fight with Kata.
And i'm going based off of CURRENTLY ACCEPTED stats. Not proposed changes.
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Base Luffy in his first key gets scaling for a feat he performs in Whole-Cake (for the likely 7-A), but if we're gonna scale Hody to Gear 2nd Luffy, then Base gets at least partial scaling anyways rofl.
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The multipliers from Hody end somewhere in 7A.
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No he's still only small city level by feats back then not counting paramont war. 377 was after Cracker which is proof of his development.
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If you're referring to Post Time-skip Key 1, it's up until just before his 2nd round with Katakuri.
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Well, yeah, we sadly can't use the "he is the captain" logic anymore, to say he is stronger than Zoro/Sanji. But what feats he has in Marineford?
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Bottom line Luffy needs to be changed. It looks like the SC comes from te robots but doesn't mention them and the Collosium fighters are a dead end. SHould change to reflect the robots then give him another key indicating mountain level after Cracker (When he has such a feat in Sanji if you want to use that).
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Even before MF he decked Teach and drew blood. He also remained conscious after Teach countered even though his Rubber was turned off. At MF he absorbed many hits from Kizaru and others. Now granted he was damaged but endurance can only account for so much and a difference of at least 100 is not reasonable to have him so low.
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Also.
Can we please throw the "position" scaling out the window?
Can we please throw the "position" scaling out the window?
This is so valid for Mountain level pre ts, but all we'll say is "but this guy is ___ and he's stronger"
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I mean, Kizaru does not have a tier of his own iirc, literally everyone in H7A is at H7A because G4 is H7A, so if you have pre-TS Luffy at their level it wouldn't upgrade Luffy, but Teach does have his clash with Ace, what was the result of the calc?
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Pre-TS needs a CRT right now.
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To be fair, Luffy was under the affects of Ivankov's ability to keep himself going, however he definitely deserves scaling to Blackbeard (at least partially) since he could hurt him and took a hit and could keep fighting.
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Back to the Hody multipliers
Can't he scale to Luffy G2 and with Haki, since he tanked his hits with 5 pills?
Hody would be 2 ^ 20 stronger than that version, because he fills his mouth with pills afterwards.
And Water doubles that power even more.
Hody's durability would be insane, and that would escale to the G3 because that's what Luffy use to beat him.
Can't he scale to Luffy G2 and with Haki, since he tanked his hits with 5 pills?
Hody would be 2 ^ 20 stronger than that version, because he fills his mouth with pills afterwards.
And Water doubles that power even more.
Hody's durability would be insane, and that would escale to the G3 because that's what Luffy use to beat him.
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That seems like an abuse of multipliers just to get higher ratings tbh. Hody doesn't have the feats to back it up.
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In his defense, he never had a chance too. He got 1shot by Luffy right after.
His casual water bullets turned into water sharks also.
The One Piece Wiki says that w/ no justification for "tolerance". I read over that arc several times just to make sure something like that wasn't a factor in the scaling.
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After the Red-Hawk, I thought Hody was vomitting up some of the pills, but can't remember.
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He was taking new ones, in the Viz it gave a "crunch" sound effect
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Ok.
Unless I'm missing something, the only way we can close this scaling chain w/out doing a "should be comparable" (which would create another loop) is scaling Base Sai to or above Base Chinjao via Lao G.
With? Scaling chain good.
Without? Infinite loop.
Unless I'm missing something, the only way we can close this scaling chain w/out doing a "should be comparable" (which would create another loop) is scaling Base Sai to or above Base Chinjao via Lao G.
With? Scaling chain good.
Without? Infinite loop.
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I was avoiding it since I didn't want to abuse tier jumping like in the Wano thread (which failed), but yeah there's a lot of tier jumping.
Hakuba already gets 2x Cavendish, so he goes from Small City+ to City, but he one shows Dellinger who's Small City Level+, so another justification.
Don Sai one shot Lao G who's either Small City Level+ or Mountain, which would potentially give him either City Level or Mountain+.
Dellinger one shot Ideo when he turned bloodlusted.
Check my sandbox and tell me what can be upgraded, and we can decide in here if it's good/valid enough for tier jumps.
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Alright.
Are we scaling Sai to Lao G or no, and why.
I checked every possible combination, every respect thread, read dressrosa and punk hazard twice each, scanned their VSBW profiles, scanned their OPW profiles, looked for SBS statements, everything.
Either we scale Sai to Lao G, or we have circle scaling.
Also, Sai and Ideo were tired and injured when they got one shot by Luffy and Chinjao, so that's not an argument.
What are we doing?
Are we scaling Sai to Lao G or no, and why.
I checked every possible combination, every respect thread, read dressrosa and punk hazard twice each, scanned their VSBW profiles, scanned their OPW profiles, looked for SBS statements, everything.
Either we scale Sai to Lao G, or we have circle scaling.
Also, Sai and Ideo were tired and injured when they got one shot by Luffy and Chinjao, so that's not an argument.
What are we doing?
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If there's no better way, then we just scale him to Lao G.
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The only thing that comes from it, everybody who was small city before is mountain, hakuba, robin, and those who scale are mountain+, and so on.
My ideas for Vergo is that he’s > Sanji’s dura. Sanji took a hit from Jinbe and no Haki G2 Luffy, so he scales to them (not both).
Base Luffy has no justification.
Monet has no justification.
Viola has no justification.
My ideas for Vergo is that he’s > Sanji’s dura. Sanji took a hit from Jinbe and no Haki G2 Luffy, so he scales to them (not both).
Base Luffy has no justification.
Monet has no justification.
Viola has no justification.
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I don't think that they should be all Mountain level. They should still be scaling to Small City level vai Don Chinjao's calc.
And I don't think that avoiding Don Sai = Lao G would necessarily force us into circular scaling.
And I don't think that avoiding Don Sai = Lao G would necessarily force us into circular scaling.
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That depends on whether the multipliers for Hody Jones are used, and what exact values he scales to.
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I don't agree with the underwater multiplier being used, and I don't think that the idea of giving him 20 multipliers is that supported by his feats. Stacking multipliers to get higher results makes me very uneasy when we could more commonly just go by the feats of the characters themselves.
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