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Yujiro should honestly be no. 2 given he's got the feats. Same with Task. Everyone else has insane prediction, but nothing to show that they have the skills to act it out.
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Most Skilled: The Trilogy
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What does that mean?
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It means, people can read into a fight as much as they want. Unless they can perform feats of skill instead of just looking really good, it's meaningless.
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You're incredibly ignorant if you say that, because Garou has been shown to know many martial arts. Actually read the manga before you say something on the character.BakiHanma18 said:
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Every martial arts on the planet>>>Many martial arts
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You're incredibly ignorant if you say that, because Garou has been shown to know many martial arts. Actually read the manga before you say something on the character.
In skill alone, he isn't even Bang level, and Bang is fodder compare to Yujiro fr
In skill alone, he isn't even Bang level, and Bang is fodder compare to Yujiro fr
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Well, all the characters I listed can use their skill and prediction skill effectively.The real cal howard said:
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As much as I like the notion, I'm not sure everyone would agree. If made as good a case as I can, but I suppose no 2 isn't out of the questionThe real cal howard said:
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In skill alone, he isn't even Bang level, and Bang is fodder compare to Yujiro frBakiHanma18 said:
He would beat Bang, the only fight he had with him he was already in terrible shape.
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You're incredibly ignorant if you say that, because Garou has been shown to know many martial arts. Actually read the manga before you say something on the character. In skill alone, he isn't even Bang level, and Bang is fodder compare to Yujiro fr
He would beat Bang, the only fight he had with him he was already in terrible shape.
He would, but not in skill at all. He has the strength to clash with 4 S class heroes almost back to back, the endurance to keep going after each loss, and he's fast enough to almost blitz 10 A class heroes while half dead. His skill, on the other hand, isn't really that special
He would beat Bang, the only fight he had with him he was already in terrible shape.
He would, but not in skill at all. He has the strength to clash with 4 S class heroes almost back to back, the endurance to keep going after each loss, and he's fast enough to almost blitz 10 A class heroes while half dead. His skill, on the other hand, isn't really that special
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I mean beat bang in skill. As I said, it's pointless to say he isn't as skilled when the instance he DID FIGHT HIM he was half dead.
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Jax is better than those ppl individually, not combined. As in:The real cal howard said:
He's more skilled than a dude who can abuse pressure point really well and a dude who has good analytical prediction. Not more skilled than a dude who has both. So not all of the skill feats really count as his skill feats.
Edit: Guys stop quoting large walls of text.
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I'm not sure how to feel about that statement though, Earl. I agree yet don't agree with it.
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Then I wholeheartedly disagree and there's nothing to indicate that, in skill, Garou is Bang level. Sad thing is, even if he were, he still doesn't hold a candle to YujiroMilly Rocking Bandit said:
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That's just you. I'll prove his skill when I have time today.
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Oblivion Of The Endless said:
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Basically what I'm saying is that statements only go far. Can they do something like I've shown last thread?
"Another Cap feat, casually tossing his shield having it ricochet off of several buildings to ultimately destroy a snowball in midair and having it return to his hand...all without looking or even focusing on the target. He was in a conversation with Ms. Marvel."
Yujiro has. Because he's the dude who's shown more than having insane reading and prediction. But has anyone else? You can tell how skilled someone is at a glance. Doesn't mean you can replicate it.
"Another Cap feat, casually tossing his shield having it ricochet off of several buildings to ultimately destroy a snowball in midair and having it return to his hand...all without looking or even focusing on the target. He was in a conversation with Ms. Marvel."
Yujiro has. Because he's the dude who's shown more than having insane reading and prediction. But has anyone else? You can tell how skilled someone is at a glance. Doesn't mean you can replicate it.
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Baki already posted the feats and Ive already adressed why Yujiro is better than Garou when comparing each other feats
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Apparently not, as Yujiro is in talks for a spot between 5 and 2. Everyone agrees so far that he deserves a spot at at least top 5Milly Rocking Bandit said:
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At the very least, I do believe Taskmaster deserves a higher spot on the list. I agree Yujiro is top 5, and should easily take it from Pray tbh.
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@Cal
All of that is literally just marksmanship. By that logic every "skill" is just marksmanship and stops there. Stuff like martial arts or sword fighting don't have throwing stuff like that, they rely a LOT on analyzation, prediction, claivoyance (like the case i showed with Ikki and Byakuya predicting the entire match before it even happened), and depending on how far you go things like Xiaoli defeating 10 people who were all more than 10x faster than her in a couple of seconds (likely) through sheer skill, or Ikki being precise enough to cut metal with paper (literally attacking so precisely it ignores hitting the atmosphere and causes 0 energy loss) or other feats like that.
All of that is literally just marksmanship. By that logic every "skill" is just marksmanship and stops there. Stuff like martial arts or sword fighting don't have throwing stuff like that, they rely a LOT on analyzation, prediction, claivoyance (like the case i showed with Ikki and Byakuya predicting the entire match before it even happened), and depending on how far you go things like Xiaoli defeating 10 people who were all more than 10x faster than her in a couple of seconds (likely) through sheer skill, or Ikki being precise enough to cut metal with paper (literally attacking so precisely it ignores hitting the atmosphere and causes 0 energy loss) or other feats like that.
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Er...the excerpt you posted had Byakuya not seeing everything. Which is why Ikki defeated him. The surprise attack at the beginning of the match was seen as so irrational that it didn't account for it, which Ikki abused. Plus, martial arts and swordfighting does have skill feats to compensate. Prediction and analyzation is important, sure. And yeah, it's skill. Not gonna deny that. But being able to perform it is far more skill.
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"Not seeing everything"
He had seen it, just ruled it out as it was plain stupidity. It's like having a gun with 1 bullet and using it to beat Muhammad Ali when you're gonna have to fight Reinhard in the next fight.
And besides "ikki had still seen the entirety of the fight from beginning to end" including the use of Ittou Rasetsu. Whether Byakuya took that into account or not doesn't change the fact that Ikki did.
He had seen it, just ruled it out as it was plain stupidity. It's like having a gun with 1 bullet and using it to beat Muhammad Ali when you're gonna have to fight Reinhard in the next fight.
And besides "ikki had still seen the entirety of the fight from beginning to end" including the use of Ittou Rasetsu. Whether Byakuya took that into account or not doesn't change the fact that Ikki did.
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Does Ikki repeat this again? If not, seems like an inconsistency, otherwise he'd be completely unbeatable in canon. Actually, not unbeatable. There'd be no stakes as he knows the outcome of every fight before it begins.
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Well he simulates fights with stella and stuff like that. But it's not like it's given this much importance cus as you can read in the quote it's mostly cus it was ikki's mirroring eye rivaling eye of heaven. So it was for comparison purposes mostly. Kind of like how he doesn't use trackless step every fight.
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This Ikki stuff again...?
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@Cal
I linked several instances of Sasaki doing just what you're asking for in the former threads. His predictions are the sole reason he dodges his Massively FTE foe, and proceeds to outright blitz said foe using his mental modeling of the fight.
1. Poseidon launches an attack called Divine Lightning, wherein his trident thrust cover almost the entirety of the arena with their afterimages; Sasaki proceeds to counter the blows. And recall as a sidenote, he explicitly cannot see the trident's movements when Poseidon was moving slower than this. Poseidon picks up the speed numerous times in this fight
2. Sasaki's skill with mentally modeling an opponent he's never even fought before is, explicitly, explained as the only reason he's keeping up with a Massively FTE opponent
3. Sasaki can counterattack through the midst of the Divine Lightning attack, for what it's worth, and explicitly breaks through human limitations in doing so
4. Sasaki proceeds to not only emulate the next moves perfectly in his mind, but sees the single opening possible to launch a counter assault and perfectly takes it against, again, a Massively FTE opponent
5. Just to reiterate: Poseidon's fastest move is the 40 Day Flood wherein he quite literally encapsulates the entire arena in afterimages, attacking from each one. Sasaki proceeds to counter almost every single strike, andin the middle of ******* combat against a vastly superior foe ups his own skill level to compensate and overcomes Poseidon's best attack
I do not see anyone else on the list quite as easily performing anywhere near to this feat.
I linked several instances of Sasaki doing just what you're asking for in the former threads. His predictions are the sole reason he dodges his Massively FTE foe, and proceeds to outright blitz said foe using his mental modeling of the fight.
1. Poseidon launches an attack called Divine Lightning, wherein his trident thrust cover almost the entirety of the arena with their afterimages; Sasaki proceeds to counter the blows. And recall as a sidenote, he explicitly cannot see the trident's movements when Poseidon was moving slower than this. Poseidon picks up the speed numerous times in this fight
2. Sasaki's skill with mentally modeling an opponent he's never even fought before is, explicitly, explained as the only reason he's keeping up with a Massively FTE opponent
3. Sasaki can counterattack through the midst of the Divine Lightning attack, for what it's worth, and explicitly breaks through human limitations in doing so
4. Sasaki proceeds to not only emulate the next moves perfectly in his mind, but sees the single opening possible to launch a counter assault and perfectly takes it against, again, a Massively FTE opponent
5. Just to reiterate: Poseidon's fastest move is the 40 Day Flood wherein he quite literally encapsulates the entire arena in afterimages, attacking from each one. Sasaki proceeds to counter almost every single strike, andin the middle of ******* combat against a vastly superior foe ups his own skill level to compensate and overcomes Poseidon's best attack
I do not see anyone else on the list quite as easily performing anywhere near to this feat.
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That feat...makes no sense, regardless of the context. If your opponent is so fast that you can't even see their afterimages, no matter what you do you're getting the heck blitzed out of you. Even if you had some super OP thought based hax, you're getting blitzed. No skill in the world, fiction or otherwise, compensates for that.
...it's still cool af tho.
...it's still cool af tho.
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Cal, I mean it happens.
At that moment, Kiba and Larp became speechless with the sight before their eyes.
The ice clones that attacked simultaneously at a speed that even created afterimages of them.
Xiaoli dodged all the storm of instant slashes unleashed by them.
No, she let the slashes go past her. That wasn't surprising in itself.
If the person had a degree of strength, then it was possible. Larp was one of them.
Surprisingly, Xiaoli's defensive body movements were also one of those.
A technique that didn't open their eyes wide.
A speed that didn't disorient them.
All the movements of Xiaoli could be followed by their eyes.
They clearly could see what she was doing and what she would attempt to do next.
That speed of hers was a tenth of Kiba's, or less――?
――And yet, she wasn't even grazed by the stroke of swords done by 10 people.
Not only that, in the little time between slash and slash,
She destroyed the『ice clones』one after another.
With palms.
With fists.
With kicks.
With the iron ball attached to her feet.
Reality betrayed the overwhelming difference in speed. That was the proof of the absolute difference in strength.
It didn't matter how slow her movements were――the techniques of a master couldn't be dodged.
At that moment, Kiba and Larp became speechless with the sight before their eyes.
The ice clones that attacked simultaneously at a speed that even created afterimages of them.
Xiaoli dodged all the storm of instant slashes unleashed by them.
No, she let the slashes go past her. That wasn't surprising in itself.
If the person had a degree of strength, then it was possible. Larp was one of them.
Surprisingly, Xiaoli's defensive body movements were also one of those.
A technique that didn't open their eyes wide.
A speed that didn't disorient them.
All the movements of Xiaoli could be followed by their eyes.
They clearly could see what she was doing and what she would attempt to do next.
That speed of hers was a tenth of Kiba's, or less――?
――And yet, she wasn't even grazed by the stroke of swords done by 10 people.
Not only that, in the little time between slash and slash,
She destroyed the『ice clones』one after another.
With palms.
With fists.
With kicks.
With the iron ball attached to her feet.
Reality betrayed the overwhelming difference in speed. That was the proof of the absolute difference in strength.
It didn't matter how slow her movements were――the techniques of a master couldn't be dodged.
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@Cal
Considering I just showed the feat to you on-screen, it's a valid feat. It's unlike Ikki's '4 clones 48x as strong' feat wherein the author just can't even explain what happens during the feat and no explanation exists for.
Also you misunderstand the feat: Sasaki is seeing the afterimages, everyone in the arena is seeing them since they form a dome. He simply cannot see the actual attacks coming at him.
You cannot claim it's an outlier since it's his only fight. You cannot claim inconsistency since it's the only constant of the entire battle.
Your only recourse is to claim the author is incorrect in the only showing a character has, ie to claim the character is fake essentially.
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Considering I just showed the feat to you on-screen, it's a valid feat. It's unlike Ikki's '4 clones 48x as strong' feat wherein the author just can't even explain what happens during the feat and no explanation exists for.
Also you misunderstand the feat: Sasaki is seeing the afterimages, everyone in the arena is seeing them since they form a dome. He simply cannot see the actual attacks coming at him.
You cannot claim it's an outlier since it's his only fight. You cannot claim inconsistency since it's the only constant of the entire battle.
Your only recourse is to claim the author is incorrect in the only showing a character has, ie to claim the character is fake essentially.
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@Earl. It doesn't matter if it happens. Batman hurting Spectre with a kick happened. It doesn't make it any more possible than a 0% possibility. You either scale to their speed or you write off the feat as plot induced stupidity, because it's entirely not going to happen without stupidity.
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I moved Rimuru up because i don't have the energy to debate a topic out that is highly subjective either way. But i will provide Stuff for Pray once more because people apperently didnt read her stash in the first thread...
Pray was numerously stated to be the greatest Knight in the history of the Knight Order, stated by the very founder of the Order, who supervised the Knighthood for hundreds of years. Knight candidates are choosen from all over the universe and only if they proof themself promising. Knight Trainees are the best of the best from their respective home world and are trained in swordmanship, body cultivation and military tactics, until they reach the suitable level to participate in their very first battlefield. Only if they survive this battlefield can they call themself knights. In a shown graduation mission, multiple ships of Knight Trainees were send to proof themself. Only 3 came back. To even become a Knight one must show intense sword skill or else you will die miserably. Knight Run battlefields are in many cases planetary, a stray hit can kill you no problem.
If Knights proofed themself even further, by surviving numerous battlefields and perfoming extraordinary, a Knight might be promoted to the rank of Master Knight. Knights are already considered heroes, Master Knights are legends among heroes, geniuses among geniuses. And the greatest Master Knights will be grant the title Top Sword, literally being the greatest Knight in the universe. Pray archived that title directly after graduating from her Trainee status by Mother Knight personally, the very first Knight to have ever existed.
So, lets get some feats together:
Anne:
-Wrecked a group of 15 Knights, all physically superior to her and armed with swords, barehanded. Casually. With a chronically damaged body
-Predicted the spear thrust of someone who could bend his spear through its Vectors, a move that was first impossibly to read and meant as a sure killing move. She did that casually too.
-Wrecked a Master Knight who blitzed her into oblivion by blocking all his attacks and then catching him offguard.
-Fought together with Pray against the Cross Eyes who slaughtered hundreds of Knights and Master Knights alike, decimated 1/3 of all living Knights on their own. The Cross Eye were stated to dwarf Anne in Strength, Experience and Skill, that didn't stop her and Pray from winning in the end.
Dry:
-Predicted the blitzing thrusts of Fear, who oneshotted a entire group of Knights around her before they could even realise that she had her weapon out. Note that the Knights had surrounded her and were fully viligante ready to engage her in a fight.
Sion:
Hooh boy
-Can copy entire Sword techniques after seeing them once, apply experience to it like she did it ten thousands of times and recreate the entire theory behind it, determining the purpose of every movement in the technique
-stomped her Knight trainer 4 weeks after Knight training when she was a kid. She developed a technique that makes her sword strikes not perceiveable as she erases the rythm behind them entirely. Was send to basically suicide missions, proofing herself until she reached Top Sword after 2 years of Knighthood
-Earned the title Sword Saint, becoming the best Swordsman in the entire universe
-Stomped her pupil Clint, someone who had the necessary sword skill to become the next Sword Saint, in a duel to death. Cutted through his sword vertically, from the tip down to the guard in middle of his ultimate sword strike
-Fought and won against Hyperion in a duel with nothing more than her sword. Hyperion passivly erodes the space around her, cutting down Sion's physical stats to 20%, had Danmaku and laser drones that would have oneshotted Sion, could teleport and was physically better in every regard too. Sion was a bloody mess, to the point where merely blocking tore flesh from her body.
-Became part of the Cold Heroes, a group of the strongest and most haxxed Knights in the entire Knight Order History with nothing more then her sword skill
And Pray is above all of them to a laughable degree.
Pray was numerously stated to be the greatest Knight in the history of the Knight Order, stated by the very founder of the Order, who supervised the Knighthood for hundreds of years. Knight candidates are choosen from all over the universe and only if they proof themself promising. Knight Trainees are the best of the best from their respective home world and are trained in swordmanship, body cultivation and military tactics, until they reach the suitable level to participate in their very first battlefield. Only if they survive this battlefield can they call themself knights. In a shown graduation mission, multiple ships of Knight Trainees were send to proof themself. Only 3 came back. To even become a Knight one must show intense sword skill or else you will die miserably. Knight Run battlefields are in many cases planetary, a stray hit can kill you no problem.
If Knights proofed themself even further, by surviving numerous battlefields and perfoming extraordinary, a Knight might be promoted to the rank of Master Knight. Knights are already considered heroes, Master Knights are legends among heroes, geniuses among geniuses. And the greatest Master Knights will be grant the title Top Sword, literally being the greatest Knight in the universe. Pray archived that title directly after graduating from her Trainee status by Mother Knight personally, the very first Knight to have ever existed.
So, lets get some feats together:
Anne:
-Wrecked a group of 15 Knights, all physically superior to her and armed with swords, barehanded. Casually. With a chronically damaged body
-Predicted the spear thrust of someone who could bend his spear through its Vectors, a move that was first impossibly to read and meant as a sure killing move. She did that casually too.
-Wrecked a Master Knight who blitzed her into oblivion by blocking all his attacks and then catching him offguard.
-Fought together with Pray against the Cross Eyes who slaughtered hundreds of Knights and Master Knights alike, decimated 1/3 of all living Knights on their own. The Cross Eye were stated to dwarf Anne in Strength, Experience and Skill, that didn't stop her and Pray from winning in the end.
Dry:
-Predicted the blitzing thrusts of Fear, who oneshotted a entire group of Knights around her before they could even realise that she had her weapon out. Note that the Knights had surrounded her and were fully viligante ready to engage her in a fight.
Sion:
Hooh boy
-Can copy entire Sword techniques after seeing them once, apply experience to it like she did it ten thousands of times and recreate the entire theory behind it, determining the purpose of every movement in the technique
-stomped her Knight trainer 4 weeks after Knight training when she was a kid. She developed a technique that makes her sword strikes not perceiveable as she erases the rythm behind them entirely. Was send to basically suicide missions, proofing herself until she reached Top Sword after 2 years of Knighthood
-Earned the title Sword Saint, becoming the best Swordsman in the entire universe
-Stomped her pupil Clint, someone who had the necessary sword skill to become the next Sword Saint, in a duel to death. Cutted through his sword vertically, from the tip down to the guard in middle of his ultimate sword strike
-Fought and won against Hyperion in a duel with nothing more than her sword. Hyperion passivly erodes the space around her, cutting down Sion's physical stats to 20%, had Danmaku and laser drones that would have oneshotted Sion, could teleport and was physically better in every regard too. Sion was a bloody mess, to the point where merely blocking tore flesh from her body.
-Became part of the Cold Heroes, a group of the strongest and most haxxed Knights in the entire Knight Order History with nothing more then her sword skill
And Pray is above all of them to a laughable degree.
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Batman kicking specter isn't outlier cus it happened, it's an outlier cus of inconsistency and anti feats.
It's an actual thing in many series to beat ppl faster than you with skill.
It's an actual thing in many series to beat ppl faster than you with skill.
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@Xulrev. No, I get it. And I'm not denying that it's cool. Because damn if it isn't cool as all hell and I just put RoR on my queue for that. But there's a reason why speed is so important in fights. If your brain literally can't keep up with your opponent to the point where there's a dome's worth of them, gg.
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By that logic, we should exclude Vash's feat of being able to shoot missiles in such a way that it changes their direction, since that's also "entirely not going to happen without (writer induced) stupidity".The real cal howard said:
More relevantly, you can say the same about Cap's own feat that you posted. His shield ricochets off a regular wall and a wooden tree instead of destroying the former or cleaving the latter in half, despite said shield A) completely destroying far more durable things many times when Cap throws it, and B) moving fast enough to bounce off a faraway building and the aforementioned tree and still outpace a snowball thrown from nowhere near as far a distance. (which would mean he threw it with fairly significant force)
Being blunt about it, we'll be excluding quite a few very legitimate skill feats if we go down this road, and I don't think we should.
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I'm pretty sure Fugil is superior to Rimuru.
What kind of scans do Cal want? How they don't have nothing to show that they have the skills to act it out?
Also, why would Jax be number 1? I mean Fugil can do the same thing by casually stomping Mishis V Xfer and Lux Arcadia in addition to defeating Singlen Shelbrit. Mishis knows how every Drag-Ride fights and counters them with her own battle style, Lux copies techniques by seeing them like when he copied Senjin, someone who had been training with it for several years just mastered one technque and Lux mastered two after watching them, and Singlen is more skilled than the whole verse aside from Fugil and Fugil still defeats him. And Fugil still has a lot more stuffand I already answered all other LoL characters in the other thread.
What kind of scans do Cal want? How they don't have nothing to show that they have the skills to act it out?
Also, why would Jax be number 1? I mean Fugil can do the same thing by casually stomping Mishis V Xfer and Lux Arcadia in addition to defeating Singlen Shelbrit. Mishis knows how every Drag-Ride fights and counters them with her own battle style, Lux copies techniques by seeing them like when he copied Senjin, someone who had been training with it for several years just mastered one technque and Lux mastered two after watching them, and Singlen is more skilled than the whole verse aside from Fugil and Fugil still defeats him. And Fugil still has a lot more stuff
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He likely is more skilled.
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Sasaki isn't just about reacting before it happens. But either way even if it "doesn't make sense", isn't that basically all of fiction? Also even the existence of the feat could also heavily imply adapting and reacting. And well alongside a whole other plethora of skills.
Either way I'll just reiterate my above response.
Either way I'll just reiterate my above response.
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