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Most Skilled: The Trilogy

Skills are supernatural. Unless you can say with a straight face that Dark Flame is done via skill, abilities granted by Skills shouldn't be used as skill feats.
 
They are supernatural, but they are not skill. Honestly, you could say Dark Flame can be done via skill, since it's done by using Control Particles, which requires the user to manipulate molecules to be able to.

All that's required for Magic Sense is the MAGICAL ENERGY to harness itself, it isn't magical itself.
 
Milly Rocking Bandit said:
They are supernatural, but they are not skill. Honestly, you could say Dark Flame can be done via skill, since it's done by using Control Particles, which requires the user to manipulate molecules to be able to.

All that's required for Magic Sense is the MAGICAL ENERGY to harness itself, it isn't magical itself.
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To manipulate molecules is Molecular Manipulation. I'm just going to leave this topic since it's clear we aren't going to agree on this.
 
Alright, so...

Apologies if I'm not super eloquent at the moment. It's late and I'm tired, but I'll try to do what little justice to these characters I can.

For starters we have Heroic Spirits such as Arthur and Diarmuid, who, as shown in their duel, are constantly thinking and strategizing at such high speeds that they're practically playing a game of chess between each clash of their blades. Arthur, like many Servants, has honed a sixth sense that flat out tells her what the most favorable developments in battle are, while Diarmuid can instantly ascertain how to achieve victory even if the odds of such are only one percent.

Attila is a creature literally made for battle, who did nothing but conquer her entire life. Lancelot and Raikou carved their skills so deep into their body that even when driven insane to the point of non-sentience, they easily outskill the likes of Arthur, Lancelot doing so using any object he gets his hands on, including a twig or a pair of chopsticks.

These too are outdone by the likes of Sigurd and Siegfried, who explicitly shattered the limits of humanity with sheer skill and are able to slay creatures astronomically above their weight class. Then you have Okita and Billy the Kid, the former of whom can collapse causality at the end of her sword in order to negate defenses, and the latter of whom can outdraw opponents who far surpass him in speed simply by forcing his senses to the limit.

While fighting Siegfried, Karna easily outmaneuvered him and struck 78 vital points in the blink of an eye, and is stated to have equaled the gods in skill. Arjuna can shoot down Billy the Kid's bullets mid-flight with arrows, and outshoot comparable opponents at melee range, with his archery skills making it seem as though his arrows are homing missiles by predicting the enemy's trajectory.

Okada Izou can instantly learn an entire style of swordsmanship at a glance to the point that he cannot be truly "taught" anything, and he is outmatched in skill by Li Shuwen simply due to raw experience. Shuwen can perfectly register every detail of a battlefield instantly and manipulate his body rhythm to blend in with it and vanish from all senses with no trace. He is rivaled by Hozoin, who has created spear techniques flexible enough to counter any fighting style in the verse, and whose technique is so fluid that it can't be adapted to or copied.

Cu Chulainn has been stated to have no vulnerabilities present when he fights, can utilize every part of his spear to fight at ranges far too close for any normal spearman to maneuver, and can even flawlessly parry attacks from a completely invisible weapon. He is surpassed by his teacher Scathach, who has over 2,000 years of experience.

And all of them are surpassed in leaps and bounds by the sword saints, who have transcended the very concept of skill in-universe and are considered by the aforementioned Servants to have "infinite skill", with their mere movements being able to interfere with alternate realities and manipulate concepts such as causality and nothingness.
 
Oh! Im stupid i completely forgot that Levi Ackerma exists. The guy has the composite knowledge of every one of the dozens of members of the Ackerman Clan, all of whom were master martial artists and swordsmen both in training and due to their genetics being altered to be the most skilled fighters in the world by king fritz, due to his connection to the Ackerman Path
 
So, just really quickly, what on earth is everyone using as a definition for 'skill' here?

People seem to be arguing at cross points to one another as to what is acceptable when arguing for the term. My own personal belief has always been that measurable, comparable skill is best defined as 'being able to overcome overwhelming physical advantage'
 
Afaik, the definiton for skill is "can't involve magic/superpowers, feasibly possible in some fashion though not limited to human capability". The issue arises when people can't agree on what is magic/a superpower.
 
Milly Rocking Bandit said:
Not going to lie, I don't see why or Jin, or Pray can deal Rimuru's Predict Future Attack.
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Iirc Jin defeated someone with precog and I don't know about Pray.
 
Someone with pseudo Almighty and a army of the most haxxed characters in the series didnt want to go against Pray.

And said person barely beat someone on Prays prime level (Prime meaning the last time her skilled was recorded properly) that was stated to be inexperienced as heck.
 
What exactly makes Jin more skilled than Yujiro? They seem pretty equal to me.
 
Yu First Witch said:
Someone with pseudo Almighty and a army of the most haxxed characters in the series didnt want to go against Pray.
And said person barely beat someone on Prays prime level (Prime meaning the last time her skilled was recorded properly) that was stated to be inexperienced as heck.
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Pseudo? Explain, because Rimuru sees ALL possibilities of attack with this, and every attack opening is destined to hit. Along with his 360 atomic level vision with and experience with people who can neg it, along with his own ability to do it. Along with completely copying the contents of a library and mastering them in seconds.
 
Milly Rocking Bandit said:
Pseudo? Explain, because Rimuru sees ALL possibilities of attack with this, and every attack opening is destined to hit. Along with his 360 atomic level vision with and experience with people who can neg it, along with his own ability to do it. Along with completely copying the contents of a library and mastering them in seconds.
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Do we actually count this as skill. Because this sure as heck sounds like hax
 
But Ikki actually does it with skill as the series states that he has absolutly no magic besides his base amp. But a precog ability that sees things that are destined to happen? And his mastering feat is more akin to a intelligence feat
 
How he gained it wasn't from magic, it was quite literally him adapting... in a sword fight. It's just extremely precise calculated outcomes.

Also, no it's not. He mastered the abilities, not just reading the books.
 
Krulcifer's Precog allows her to see into the future and his opponent's weak spots, she used it againts Fugil and she even saw her atatck her attack hitting Fugil, she did the same thing as her vision of the future and Fugil went beyond that.
 
Mastering all abilities could be a skill feat, but it depends if those abilities were things like, let's say, sword techniques and not the other Skills in Slime.
 
The difference between what Ikki does with skill and what ppl do with hax is that the series acknowledges that it is done with skill and even gives an explanation for everything he does. Here would be the explanation for how Ikki does it with skill:

The principle he spoke of wasn't a notion limited to the here and now. That predictability of human thought was a firmly-rooted identity, not something that could be changed in an instant. However much the person himself wants to outsmart that identity, even the thought of outsmarting it arises from the identity itself, and therefore couldn't escape Ikki's perception. By stealing the opponent's identity, Ikki seized all those thoughts and feelings.

A bit hard to understand someone's identity in such details? Yes, not gonna say it's not, but it still explains how he does those feats, so it's not his abilities that go into "supernatural/hax" it's his skill for being capable of doing these "supernatural". So it differs from a series saying:

This dude can headbutt time into moving faster with skill.

Cus ^^ this is just plain stupid with 0 context or mechanics given.
 
I still don't think Yujiro's information analysis is a magical superpower or something.

"Knowing all martial arts" here is considered skill, even when no human has potential to master all of them, even if they dedicated their entire lifes to it. Yet it's considered skill, meaning skill here is based on what normal humans can do, but to superhuman degrees.

The same way a normal doctor can know you have x disease through a y number of visible symptoms, someone who has way more knowledge of human anatomy, and also way better senses, than the world's best medics could tell your weak spots only by your various characteristics, even ones not limited to the eye.
 
@Ion

Is it analytical prediction, or Precog? Because I don't think full on seeing into the future is skill.

Also, Skills actually do require effort to obtain and that's why in lore Unique Skills are so rare, because they're... unique. They're the shape of the mind and intense effort. Even if you chose to render this null, I already gave feats of Rimuru learning arts, which are completely effort based.

@Witch

So, does Pray have anything that can compare to Rimuru, Hinata, or Hakurou?
 
Still Fugil has a lot more going on, bs dodging skills, knowing how to use every Drag-Ride, outskills the whole verse, and more.
 
Tbh, skill as a whole is hard to gauge considering you're gonna have to compare multiple factors like age, experience, level of skill compared to everyone, and well, a skilled person in one verse is indeed very skilled in that verse but another entirely or such.
 
To address some of the Yujiro points, Yuichiro, iirc, has only mastered Judo, but he is so head over heels good at it and physically busted, he was considered god-tier. He also knew the strongest martial art technique ever, Guise. Yujiro, on the other hand, is roughly just as skilled at every single martial art on Earth.

As for why Yujiro needs to be top 5, I mean... the last thread speaks for itself. Most of us were in agreeance that he should be somewhere in top 5
 
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