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Justice for Tokyo Revengers.
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Testarossa002
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I think Ant meant that the discussions here be concluded and then closed.
Rather than being closed abruptly.
It's already 3 pages in.
Splitting it up will serve as further ammunition for pro discussion rule side
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erm what the flip
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Oh no, I'm not touching this verse again. Sorry, but no
Here's whats gonna happen. I'd give my honest opinion with absolutely no bias, get told I'm """abusing my power""", then have to catch up on 5 more pages of nonsense
Not doing that song and dance again
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Not funny
KingNanaya
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Nerd stuff ngl
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Nah this shit was completely unecessary and disrespectful, literally it's the reason why staff don't want to evaluate TR, one of the reasons.
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absolutely and abhorrently disagree there have been dozens of speed threads about the same exact feats and the same goal of upgrading the verse to supersonic to hypersonic so much so that this is blatantly untrue I'll just link even a couple
This first one tho is in regards to removing some but the rest are all upgrade or recalcs of the same rejected feats
Izana's gun feat revision (IMPORTANT)
So this is the feat: And there are 2 accepted scales: This is the first one and this is the second one. Both of the scales have two major flaws. Firstly, they both assume that Izana's arm movement is 90 degrees, which is inaccurate, if you look at the 6th scan of the first link I posted...vsbattles.com
Izana outpaces bullets CRT
Here to de-construct the argument that Izana didn't outpace bullets, heres my recent calc where I lowball the distance moved by Izana. Scan This is how you read manga, the panel at the top is always what happened first, when you look at the panel showing what happened you see Kisaki shooting...Tokyo Revengers verse upgrade
So, recently I made a calculation for Tokyo Revengers and it happens to get accepted. The character who done the feat, Chifuyu happens to be a mid tier character who's comparable to Mitsuya who can fight 70% of Taiju Shiba. Scans: Here. So, Taiju naming the percentage of his strength gives...Hypersonic Tokyo Revengers
Based on this accepted calculation some Tokyo Revengers should be upgraded to Hypersonic. Since this feat is from adult Kazutora, it doesn't scale to his past self, only to high tiers and above, because Wakasa and Benkei are around the same age as adult Kazutora and they should be stronger than...
This one was recently recinded by DMUA following standard changes
TOKYO REVENGERS CRT, SAVING THE VERSE FROM DESTRUCTION (PART 1): MANJIRO SANO'S NUCLEAR KICK!
Hey guys, welcome to my first Tokyo Revenger's CRT!! So this verse was gonna get deleted, and I couldn't let that happen considering this is one of my favorite verses. So lets try our best to be productive and follow protocol. I will need all the help I can get. MANJIRO SANO'S NUCLEAR KICK...
TOKYO REVENGERS: NUCLEAR KICK.
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and lets not forget this 11 page long CRT about said speed feats that several CGMs and some thread and content mods commented on
Calc Stacking in Tokyo Revengers
Alright guys this will probably annoy a lot of people, I was reading the calcs posted on the Tokyo Revengers' page and I noticed that out of 6 calcs some of them use calc stacking to get higher results, there are two main parts of the calc stacking page that are ignored: - "Using speed of...
Let alone all the other harassments and other shit that has happened and made its way to RVR because of the speed of this verse, I think a discussion rule is absolutely in order
You just cited different ways of getting the verse to a particular speed tier with one or two being on the same subject (3rd one being from a new user who had no idea this was discussed before) . Just like I said in my original post.
Unless you want a discussion rule on upgrading a verse in general. How doesn’t that sound bad
. It’s not like the same arguments have been rehashed like 4-5 times, these are different ways supporters tried to upgrade their verse. These can not be grounds for a discussion rule.. right?. We should be free to upgrade a verse with different ways and methods. It’s only a problem when the same method is being used over and over again.Edit: let’s wait for this thread to be over, then if the Izana part is rejected then that would be like the 4th or 5th time the feat is rejected and I wouldn’t mind a discussion rule on that. But I still don’t like that we want to put a discussion cap on speed in general.
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This was literally unnecessary and uncalled-for. You are currently inciting him to substantiate his statements (the accusations that are caused by TR community) as factual, with no opportunity to counteract or improve the environment.
Yet; I think discussion rule are now warranted for these types of threads.
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like @Testarossa002 said, let’s complete this thread before making a discussion rule. If a repeated feat is rejected one more then that’s even more evidence for a discussion rule for that particular feat.
@Dereck03 thanks for deleting the comments. We need to keep this thread under control.
@Dereck03 thanks for deleting the comments. We need to keep this thread under control.
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@HollowVanity, this is no place to be making jokes, disrespecting others by calling them biased just because they don't want to evaluate a thread and provoking everyone else with your "jokes" in a condescending tone, take this as an official warning. If you continue I'm afraid I will threadban you and report you afterwards.
Yeah, i'm cringe.
Yeah, i'm cringe.
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Jesus christ lad, its a JOKE, not serious, people like you need to get outside if your taking what i said srs
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then we ask ourselves why the staff doesn't want to evaluate. I've read 10 threads this week alone and haven't seen 1 message like this.Yo you cringe asf for this if you actually take what I said seriously
If you don't want to show respect, don't participate in the Threads.
You aren't friends with these people and you have no confidence, you cannot afford to speak in a certain way. Saying things in jest isn't an excuse, the joke is good and it's okay if it's funny and this isn't. Talking like that doesn't help you
this is also disrespectful. You're not joking, you're serious and you can't contain yourself.
this can help you
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ENOUGH WITH THE BICKERING. ANY FURTHER DERAILMENT BEYOND THIS POINT SHOULD BE DELETED.
Hey @Dereck03
What do you think about my post towards the OP here
Post in thread 'Justice for Tokyo Revengers.'
https://vsbattles.com/threads/justice-for-tokyo-revengers.158699/post-6052594
@Dalesean027 had an issue with what I said about last part on guns, although I’m not sure what his stance is on that bit so feel free to check it out here.
He also didn’t seem interested in discussing the Izana bullet reaction feat he disagrees with but we did agree that Takemichi reacted to a bullet which ended up being subsonic but that was a digression from the Izana feat.
It’s a short read below my linked post so feel free to check them out.
Aside from that, nobody seems to have a problem with the rest.
What do you think?
Hey @Dereck03
What do you think about my post towards the OP here
Post in thread 'Justice for Tokyo Revengers.'
https://vsbattles.com/threads/justice-for-tokyo-revengers.158699/post-6052594
@Dalesean027 had an issue with what I said about last part on guns, although I’m not sure what his stance is on that bit so feel free to check it out here.
He also didn’t seem interested in discussing the Izana bullet reaction feat he disagrees with but we did agree that Takemichi reacted to a bullet which ended up being subsonic but that was a digression from the Izana feat.
It’s a short read below my linked post so feel free to check them out.
Aside from that, nobody seems to have a problem with the rest.
What do you think?
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it always ends up like this.....
being respectful to others is usually the way to go until you build a close enough relationship with them, then you can start speaking casually to them
but let's not derail this any further
now i don't know the context, but jokes are something you only use with people with whom you developed a sufficient level of friendship with, not everyone will take kindly to sarcastic comments and jokes, even when there is no ill intent behind them
being respectful to others is usually the way to go until you build a close enough relationship with them, then you can start speaking casually to them
but let's not derail this any further
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I think the scaling chain needs to be fixed a little bit but I agree with you other than that.
I think the mid end in Dale's calc works as it doesn't look like Takemichi moves his head as much as 90 degrees or as less as 30 degrees. I really think he should use this panel for the distance between the shooter and Takemichi though. Wide shots give more valid distances than angsizing.
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@Dinozxd I am not going to individually reply this.
First of all, your arguments and the arguments in the OP do not match and you are even contradicting Morris because Morris is doing logically, and you are making emotional assumptions.
Now, let's address the Senju stuff. First of all, Senju only said it because she wanted Takeomi from not going in the wrong path. So, it's pretty much clear that Senju avoids her potential because Takeomi would be much more attracted to the money path. Now, in the scene which I am particularly arguing, there's no Takeomi there, so whatever she says related to Takeomi isn't necessarily happening (in fact, it doesn't).
Now, Senju was supposed to die if we follow Takemichi's visions. If Takemichi's visions say it, then it is bound to happen unless anything which stops that from happening takes place. So, if Takemichi wouldn't have done anything, then she would have died.
Now, look at this very carefully, Senju kind of promised Takemichi that she would save him, this means that her promise with Takemichi is in higher priority than her decision to get Takeomi on the correct path, because when she dies, there's no one to take care of Takeomi and he's somehow going on the wrong path already. So, if she dies, then she makes the promise with Takemichi success but her decision to get Takeomi on the correct path is just shattered.
Secondly, you want me to send a panel where Senju says that she used her full potential to save Takemichi huh? Listen, if Senju legit died there, THEN THIS ARGUMENT WOULDN'T EXIST, because Senju said it in CH 229, and she would have been dead if Takemichi didn't save her. What you're saying is in the least of the possibilities because her entire reason for holding back her potential is to keep Takeomi on the correct path, secondly, there's no Takeomi while she dies through gunshot wounds. So, she should use her full potential to save Takemichi because before Takemichi saves Senju, she comes up running to him while being incredibly scared (another hint why her promise with Takemichi gives a higher priority) which hints that such feelings weren't even in her way, now, if you don't understand the concept of priorities, then only you can even argue about this.
Also, Senju has more reasons to use her full potential because her dying legit can get Takeomi on the wrong path in any time, secondly, survival is one of the priorities humans have, so survival is important to her as well. She also needs to save Takemichi as well. There's no reason she wouldn't use her full potential unless you leave common sense behind.
That aside, I am not going to reply to you if your entire argument is "she didn't mention it so that doesn't happen kind of stuff" because it's getting annoying already. You're assuming something said for Takeomi applies to everything (which doesn't even make sense). You have said it many times that "it is possible" and it's never impossible, there not even a 50-50 chance in this, just more chances of Senju using her full potential, something like 9/10 cases, and the only case where she doesn't use her full potential is probably where she is dumb.
First of all, your arguments and the arguments in the OP do not match and you are even contradicting Morris because Morris is doing logically, and you are making emotional assumptions.
Now, let's address the Senju stuff. First of all, Senju only said it because she wanted Takeomi from not going in the wrong path. So, it's pretty much clear that Senju avoids her potential because Takeomi would be much more attracted to the money path. Now, in the scene which I am particularly arguing, there's no Takeomi there, so whatever she says related to Takeomi isn't necessarily happening (in fact, it doesn't).
Now, Senju was supposed to die if we follow Takemichi's visions. If Takemichi's visions say it, then it is bound to happen unless anything which stops that from happening takes place. So, if Takemichi wouldn't have done anything, then she would have died.
Now, look at this very carefully, Senju kind of promised Takemichi that she would save him, this means that her promise with Takemichi is in higher priority than her decision to get Takeomi on the correct path, because when she dies, there's no one to take care of Takeomi and he's somehow going on the wrong path already. So, if she dies, then she makes the promise with Takemichi success but her decision to get Takeomi on the correct path is just shattered.
Secondly, you want me to send a panel where Senju says that she used her full potential to save Takemichi huh? Listen, if Senju legit died there, THEN THIS ARGUMENT WOULDN'T EXIST, because Senju said it in CH 229, and she would have been dead if Takemichi didn't save her. What you're saying is in the least of the possibilities because her entire reason for holding back her potential is to keep Takeomi on the correct path, secondly, there's no Takeomi while she dies through gunshot wounds. So, she should use her full potential to save Takemichi because before Takemichi saves Senju, she comes up running to him while being incredibly scared (another hint why her promise with Takemichi gives a higher priority) which hints that such feelings weren't even in her way, now, if you don't understand the concept of priorities, then only you can even argue about this.
Also, Senju has more reasons to use her full potential because her dying legit can get Takeomi on the wrong path in any time, secondly, survival is one of the priorities humans have, so survival is important to her as well. She also needs to save Takemichi as well. There's no reason she wouldn't use her full potential unless you leave common sense behind.
That aside, I am not going to reply to you if your entire argument is "she didn't mention it so that doesn't happen kind of stuff" because it's getting annoying already. You're assuming something said for Takeomi applies to everything (which doesn't even make sense). You have said it many times that "it is possible" and it's never impossible, there not even a 50-50 chance in this, just more chances of Senju using her full potential, something like 9/10 cases, and the only case where she doesn't use her full potential is probably where she is dumb.
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Presenting different arguments is contradicting? I didn't know that.
All of the shit you wrote here is stuff I answered above. Please stop wasting my time with this.
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The points presented by the OP and Arnold are more than enough. I don't understand why are we still discussing this.
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ROFL, you are reasoning everything with some emotion-based assumptions and Morris is at least giving some logical reasons. Secondly, Morris' opinion is the latter is impossible while you are still being on the "context-dependency" path. So yes, it is contradictory already.
Nope, this was a very organized version and I kind of gave every reason and proved psychologically and even logically why Senju would give it her all, and you still can't get above "she never said it so she wouldn't". Also, I am waiting for your reasoning about why Senju's sentences wouldn't be limited to only Takeomi.
(Also, I request one of the least satire versions.)
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I agree with Morris' points. Morris agrees to mine. This is not contradicting, this is just two people supporting the same thing with different arguments while agreeing to each other's arguments as well.
It's the same thing but more organized then.
You should have ignored %90 of my arguments to think like this.
Dude. I already gave you more than one where your only point is "Takeomi wasn't on the scene". You think she could show her potential without Takeomi knowing? That bro is literally the vice president of the gang.
If you didn't understand this from any of my comments above, I don't think you will understand this ever. I don't understand why are we even debating this. Just read the OP.
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This is getting derailing. But if you want, just read your own last long reply to me on this and read the OP, you will understand.
With more points and in a much-organized manner so you could connect the dots better. I feel like I should have sent it earlier because you aren't even concentrating on what I said.
I didn't, in fact, I made it clear that "I wasn't going to answer everything individually" because that kind of got you on the worst path which I didn't even want you to look at.
Only point? ROFL. I gave literally 3 reasons why she would use her full potential in my latest. I am sure you dodged my essay and just pretended to have read it by accusing me for giving the same points whatsoever.
Because you don't apply one of my points to another and just think to only one thing, you should learn to CONNECT DOTS when you individually reply to every text. Also, I asked for a reason by you to prove why you think that thing isn't only restricted to Takeomi, even if you can prove that (with any logical argument), that would suffice.
I remember Vapourrrrr saying something similar in the first downgrade thread and everything he argued for was proved wrong LOL. Also, remember that each time you say this, one staff member gets tired of the verse.
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Huizzzz, this is getting annoying, I'll get to this after cleaning my house
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If you clearly look at the panel, she literally asks herself "Since when did I start avoiding my potential?". Do you even know what this means? She HAD to question when she started holding back, this means it's not something she regularly thinks about. In her flashback, the only scene that appears is the one with Takeomi, now that clearly suggest that it was only during that time she started holding back.
And she only started to question why she hold back after South delivered a punch to her. South had to punch her in order for her to question why she held back, there's nothing that triggers her to hold back go all out in the gun scene.
Also, when crucial events are happening, it's explicitly shown because of how important they are. It's explicitly shown in the chapter's conclusion that her true power was revealed. That DOES NOT happen anywhere before that.
There are no evidences to suggest that she used her full potential in that particular moment.
Only in the south fight, she stopped holding back.
And she only started to question why she hold back after South delivered a punch to her. South had to punch her in order for her to question why she held back, there's nothing that triggers her to hold back go all out in the gun scene.
Also, when crucial events are happening, it's explicitly shown because of how important they are. It's explicitly shown in the chapter's conclusion that her true power was revealed. That DOES NOT happen anywhere before that.
There are no evidences to suggest that she used her full potential in that particular moment.
Only in the south fight, she stopped holding back.
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Oh shit. This adds some points i missed actually.
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The fact that in life and death situations our body pushes ourself in order to surpass our limits isn't enough to prove she probably would have use it even if unconsciously? Didn't Izana do the same thing to save Kakucho? Hollow explained it that way and kinda made sense. As you corrected me Senju full potential isn't like DI therefore her body can easily push her to that point even if she doesn't want to, is not like going super sayian where you have to decide to activate it.
MorrisHatesYou
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But in chapter 220, Senju clearly didn't show her full potential when she saw Takemichi aimed by a gun.
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It's very simple. If Senju first revealed her potential when saving Takemichi, she would look like when she first revealed her full potential vs South. She doesn't look like that when saving Takemichi.
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The situation was different tho, we know Senju saved Takemichi somehow which is what I was referring to, the seconds time Takemichi already changed the events so the situation was different, we don't know the situation the first time that's why I say "pobably" but even you can't actually prove at 100% she didn't so...
Don't we only her see when she was basically dead? And yeah, we don't really know the situation here so...
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I mean, she doesn't even even think about her potential during that moment, no way she's gonna reveal it lmao
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Because I don't have to? You make a positive claim, the burden of proof falls on you,
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The things which Zefra said should be enough and I have been saying it for like 2-3 pages already.
Coming to your arguments, they are similar to Dino's. The thing is, none of your reasoning makes sense because Senju would save Takemichi in a different timeline, the timeline where if she dies, she wouldn't even get any chance to say that she used to avoid her potential. Also, she cannot reason that timeline there because she doesn't even know that happened.
Whatever I and Zefra said about it should take precedence here, plus, it's the most likely scenario here, because Senju holding back is not bound by anything supernatural but something which is her own decision. Secondly, she looked very tense while saving Takemichi as well. Survival is important for everyone and couple more reasons. Hope you at least get me.
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Nah we saw him run up to Takemichi to save him too (which should happen in the original timeline too) Her True Potential amps her speed so we would definitely see it.
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Literally debunked that stuff here.
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Senju needs to have a realisation, which doesn't happen at all in the gun scene.
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