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I found this panel which would get us a much better distance than distance from POV between the goon and Takemichi too.
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Justice for Tokyo Revengers.
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MorrisHatesYou
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God, there are gonna be whole lot of useless arguments again
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Also, if you still think its not a blitz, it still should be enough proof to say that Kakucho should have reached Kisaki ALOT faster especially since he was boosted by adrenaline, if you still don't think that its not PIS then you also think Kisaki > Kakucho
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Ah, I can save myself from the pain that is AngSizing. Honestly, without a calculation I can assume the distance is less then 3 metres, so the results would = 540 m/s +++
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That's the highball and I don't think Takemichi moved his body 90 degrees so nah. Also, let's not clog up the thread.
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...even then, that doesn't really show or say much
panel 1: shows a punching motion with 2 other characters backing away while having their eyes set on the events occuring
panel 2: shows characters clearling reacting with words (what?!) (damn!) then shows the character performing a dashing motion with the opponent he is punching having his arms up to guard but failing to do so
panel 3: shows him already past 2 other characters whom he punched, with no clear indication as to how he did so
panel 4: shows the 4 characters exclaming how strong the opponent was, nothing about speed
nothing about the events shown indicates a huge difference in speed, more of a difference in strenght/attack potency, with the characters confirming that to be the case when exclaiming about his strenght and not how they were unable to react to his movements
again, this really isn't a speed blitz
MorrisHatesYou
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Not again with arguments useless for the thread itself....
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oh well, already said my peice
now i 'll quietly unfollow and keep reading the arguments
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Bro, I just explained this, they reacted to him before he started the blitz
I don't understand how you don't think its a blitz when NO ONE reacted to Kakucho when he began his blitz. Also, when someone moves fast other people don't need to bring it up, for example, when Hanma got blitzed by Mikey and Mikey seemingly broke the sound barrier, no one bought up speed, same as when Mikey kicked Taiju, Koko and Inui didn't say anything about his speed, they just said it was done in one hit.
These aren't usless arguments, they benefit the thread because it helps establish that Kakucho not being able to dodge the bullets when running at Kisaki is PIS. Although, I have many more arguments
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Everyone know the speed of Mikey kicks, in fact people are surprised when people can actually block it, see Base Mikey vs Hanma, no one knew Kakucho and his abilities so of his main power was speed they would have notice, instead they noticed his strenght, also... Inui reacted to him dashing...
MorrisHatesYou
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Not again.....
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Random's don't know about it, you have no proof of this. How did Inui react to him dashing ? If your talking about him having his arms up then you must be trolling because Kakucho tackled him from under, his arms going up isn't a matter of him reacting, its a matter of the attack Kakucho preformed.
I'll stop if you think its useless to the argument that guns are / aren't outliers
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I just woke up and everything has gone haywire 
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Alright let’s bring everything back to order.
Ill look at what has been said thus far and restart conversation from the ones that are in line with the OP.
.Alright let’s bring everything back to order.
Ill look at what has been said thus far and restart conversation from the ones that are in line with the OP.
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I will be creating a staff thread regarding discussion rules.
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I would appreciate it if you didn’t use an unfinished thread/discussion as evidence of a topic needing a discussion rule and I don’t think there have been enough finished CRTs on the same topics that warrants a discussion rule. The worst that has happened are one or two CRTs that talk about the same things for prolong periods. Discussion rules are for many CRTs on the same subject afaik. Also a Discussion rule on personal calc blogs would be unnecessarily restrictive cuz at the end of the day CGMs have a choice to ignore them.
That’s all I’ll say on this. I’ll stop derailing.
That’s all I’ll say on this. I’ll stop derailing.
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I don't think I ever suggested a discussion rule regarding calculation blogs.
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@DarkGrath @Moritzva @Duedate8898 @Planck69 @Lonkitt @LephyrTheRevanchist @Deagonx @FinePoint@Antvasima we may need different staff members to take a look at this who are willing to read through the thread and give their thoughts on the arguments here regarding the speed stuff as the ability additions have already been figured out and the scaling is another matter for the supports.
Also @CloverDragon03 @DMUA sorry to bother you both but can I get your opinions here as well on the arguments as well as the usability of this calc
Takemichi dodges a Bullet
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Are any of you willing to help out here please?
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absolutely and abhorrently disagree there have been dozens of speed threads about the same exact feats and the same goal of upgrading the verse to supersonic to hypersonic so much so that this is blatantly untrue I'll just link even a couple
This first one tho is in regards to removing some but the rest are all upgrade or recalcs of the same rejected feats
Izana's gun feat revision (IMPORTANT)
So this is the feat: And there are 2 accepted scales: This is the first one and this is the second one. Both of the scales have two major flaws. Firstly, they both assume that Izana's arm movement is 90 degrees, which is inaccurate, if you look at the 6th scan of the first link I posted...
Izana outpaces bullets CRT
Here to de-construct the argument that Izana didn't outpace bullets, heres my recent calc where I lowball the distance moved by Izana. Scan This is how you read manga, the panel at the top is always what happened first, when you look at the panel showing what happened you see Kisaki shooting...
Tokyo Revengers verse upgrade
So, recently I made a calculation for Tokyo Revengers and it happens to get accepted. The character who done the feat, Chifuyu happens to be a mid tier character who's comparable to Mitsuya who can fight 70% of Taiju Shiba. Scans: Here. So, Taiju naming the percentage of his strength gives...
Hypersonic Tokyo Revengers
Based on this accepted calculation some Tokyo Revengers should be upgraded to Hypersonic. Since this feat is from adult Kazutora, it doesn't scale to his past self, only to high tiers and above, because Wakasa and Benkei are around the same age as adult Kazutora and they should be stronger than...
This one was recently recinded by DMUA following standard changes
TOKYO REVENGERS CRT, SAVING THE VERSE FROM DESTRUCTION (PART 1): MANJIRO SANO'S NUCLEAR KICK!
Hey guys, welcome to my first Tokyo Revenger's CRT!! So this verse was gonna get deleted, and I couldn't let that happen considering this is one of my favorite verses. So lets try our best to be productive and follow protocol. I will need all the help I can get. MANJIRO SANO'S NUCLEAR KICK...
TOKYO REVENGERS: NUCLEAR KICK.
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and lets not forget this 11 page long CRT about said speed feats that several CGMs and some thread and content mods commented on
Calc Stacking in Tokyo Revengers
Alright guys this will probably annoy a lot of people, I was reading the calcs posted on the Tokyo Revengers' page and I noticed that out of 6 calcs some of them use calc stacking to get higher results, there are two main parts of the calc stacking page that are ignored: - "Using speed of...
Let alone all the other harassments and other shit that has happened and made its way to RVR because of the speed of this verse, I think a discussion rule is absolutely in order
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Thanks for listing the threads. I will start creating a discussion rule.absolutely and abhorrently disagree there have been dozens of speed threads about the same exact feats and the same goal of upgrading the verse to supersonic to hypersonic so much so that this is blatantly untrue I'll just link even a couple
This first one tho is in regards to removing some but the rest are all upgrade or recalcs of the same rejected feats
Izana's gun feat revision (IMPORTANT)
So this is the feat: And there are 2 accepted scales: This is the first one and this is the second one. Both of the scales have two major flaws. Firstly, they both assume that Izana's arm movement is 90 degrees, which is inaccurate, if you look at the 6th scan of the first link I posted...vsbattles.com
Izana outpaces bullets CRT
Here to de-construct the argument that Izana didn't outpace bullets, heres my recent calc where I lowball the distance moved by Izana. Scan This is how you read manga, the panel at the top is always what happened first, when you look at the panel showing what happened you see Kisaki shooting...Tokyo Revengers verse upgrade
So, recently I made a calculation for Tokyo Revengers and it happens to get accepted. The character who done the feat, Chifuyu happens to be a mid tier character who's comparable to Mitsuya who can fight 70% of Taiju Shiba. Scans: Here. So, Taiju naming the percentage of his strength gives...Hypersonic Tokyo Revengers
Based on this accepted calculation some Tokyo Revengers should be upgraded to Hypersonic. Since this feat is from adult Kazutora, it doesn't scale to his past self, only to high tiers and above, because Wakasa and Benkei are around the same age as adult Kazutora and they should be stronger than...
This one was recently recinded by DMUA following standard changes
TOKYO REVENGERS CRT, SAVING THE VERSE FROM DESTRUCTION (PART 1): MANJIRO SANO'S NUCLEAR KICK!
Hey guys, welcome to my first Tokyo Revenger's CRT!! So this verse was gonna get deleted, and I couldn't let that happen considering this is one of my favorite verses. So lets try our best to be productive and follow protocol. I will need all the help I can get. MANJIRO SANO'S NUCLEAR KICK...TOKYO REVENGERS: NUCLEAR KICK.
and lets not forget this 11 page long CRT about said speed feats that several CGMs and some thread and content mods commented on
Calc Stacking in Tokyo Revengers
Alright guys this will probably annoy a lot of people, I was reading the calcs posted on the Tokyo Revengers' page and I noticed that out of 6 calcs some of them use calc stacking to get higher results, there are two main parts of the calc stacking page that are ignored: - "Using speed of...
Let alone all the other harassments and other shit that has happened and made its way to RVR because of the speed of this verse, I think a discussion rule is absolutely in order
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Adding this: https://vsbattles.com/threads/biggest-tokyo-revengers-dowgrade-calculations-heheh.153545/
Also they are blogs but..... we made a discussion in order to recalc the feats with many CGMs where I basically sent the entire chapters of the feats so they could see the context by their own ( I only stated my opinion about Draken and Izana while the CGMs could have disagreed with me anytime but some people ignore that).... right after that several blogs have been made without an actual improvement in the calcs presenting again the same feats with the same contexts and assumptions, also people refused to partecipate in the staff only thread when CGMs said they were free to share their opinion about the calcs and said "I won't partecipate in that shit" cit Vapourrr and "I'll let you guys debunk it, we will rebunk it anytime" cit Dino, this shouldn't be the main reason for the rule but still should be take in account imo.
EDIT: if needed I'll send some links
Also they are blogs but..... we made a discussion in order to recalc the feats with many CGMs where I basically sent the entire chapters of the feats so they could see the context by their own ( I only stated my opinion about Draken and Izana while the CGMs could have disagreed with me anytime but some people ignore that).... right after that several blogs have been made without an actual improvement in the calcs presenting again the same feats with the same contexts and assumptions, also people refused to partecipate in the staff only thread when CGMs said they were free to share their opinion about the calcs and said "I won't partecipate in that shit" cit Vapourrr and "I'll let you guys debunk it, we will rebunk it anytime" cit Dino, this shouldn't be the main reason for the rule but still should be take in account imo.
EDIT: if needed I'll send some links
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I'm not opposed to a discussion rule.
However, it'll be better if this thread is concluded before that's done.
Having a discussion rule now, effectively nukes this thread.
That being said, the OP needs to outline the current arguments for the thread.
Opposition can do the same thing.
Then leave it for staff evaluation.
It's already 3 pages and there's no noticeable progress on the topics.
However, it'll be better if this thread is concluded before that's done.
Having a discussion rule now, effectively nukes this thread.
That being said, the OP needs to outline the current arguments for the thread.
Opposition can do the same thing.
Then leave it for staff evaluation.
It's already 3 pages and there's no noticeable progress on the topics.
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I am not interested in TR. My apologies.
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I suppose that seems reasonable.
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At work so I won't be able to do that for a good while today but that said I think my responses from the first 2 pages speak for themself
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Mhm; do you like me to create a new staff thread for discussion rule, or should I simply present it here?
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That is a good question.
Usually I would prefer if it is added via this thread, but given that so few staff members have been interested in responding here, we may have to start a staff only thread in order to receive sufficient input.
We should probably finish our discussion here and close this thread first though.
Usually I would prefer if it is added via this thread, but given that so few staff members have been interested in responding here, we may have to start a staff only thread in order to receive sufficient input.
We should probably finish our discussion here and close this thread first though.
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Well, we can say the same for our responses as well.
MorrisHatesYou
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Bruh
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oh I read it wrong, my fault lel, didn't realise it said OP, I deleted it
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Alright, please ping me once this is concluded, so I can create a proper staff thread for the discussion rule.
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Testarossa002
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In that case, someone (not me) should either quote or link the relevant arguments and counter arguments.
TR already has a bad rep
Having a 7 page CRT full of the same arguments won't make it better
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Leave it to morris, do NOT let zefra or one of the opponents do it imo, I already did but deleted it cause morris said bruh
MorrisHatesYou
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You know what Ant? I have an idea.
Discussing all of these at the same time is gonna get things very messy and hard to evaluate.
So I think we should get things done one by one without necessarily closing this thread.
For example, we'll argue about the scaling chain only for now, and after everything is concluded, we'll tackle other things one by one, does that sound good? Without necessarily closing this thread. It's gonna be easier than way.
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