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HST Showdown - (Round 6 - Villainous Façades)

Scaling above the Espada doesn't mean you can Reiatsu Crush individual members like how Aizen did.

Vasto Lorde Ichigo scales above the Espada, he didn't Reiatsu Crush Ulquiorra in their fight however.
 
Scaling above the Espada doesn't mean you can Reiatsu Crush individual members like how Aizen did.

Vasto Lorde Ichigo scales above the Espada, he didn't Reiatsu Crush Ulquiorra in their fight however.
Because he wasn’t trying to? I mean you have to purposefully do it unless your transcendent Aizen who does that passively.
 
Scaling above the Espada doesn't mean you can Reiatsu Crush individual members like how Aizen did.

Vasto Lorde Ichigo scales above the Espada, he didn't Reiatsu Crush Ulquiorra in their fight however.
Yes he didn't.

Yes, Vasto Lorde Ichigo scales above the Espada, he didn't Reiatsu Crush Ulquiorra in their fight however but Aizen is a different case as he a way of proving his superiority over Grimmjow.

As long as he has the Reiatsu above all Espadas he doesn't necessarily need to Reiatsu crush them.
 
He was literally bloodlusted in the form, what do you mean by he "wasn't trying to"?. He wasn't controlling the output of his Reiatsu during that time, he was letting it flow out of him without stopping it or restraining it.
 
I will say Gin for the advantageous situation of the initial distance synergizing with the capabilities of his Bankai.

Genjutsu won't work on Gin due to the simple Shinigami-Zanpakuto Spirit = Jinchuriki-Tailed Beast dynamic.

As for Shanks, I don't know if there is anything that can protect him from Kamishini no Yari since, as far as I know, Observation Haki is not some form of omniscient future prediction that can save him from being impaled and poisoned to death from sneaky attacks casted by miles away.


I don't know if any of these points have already been made, I won't read three pages of comments
Killer be is a perfect jinchurki and naruto said tsukyomi would kill Jim
The 4th mizukage is a perfect jin and obito had him under GJ for years

The inner zanpaktou spirit isn't stopping itachis GJ
 
Ppl tripping. Stronger version of ichigo? Ichigo never got a power up. His only power up was vasto lorde. That doesn't mean ichigo got twice as strong in his base.

Sleep manip? Instinctively shanks can fight/defend himself in his sleep like we've seen with many others including WB, linlin & zoro. Then we have that whole thing with Film Red. HakiNegYourShytGg fr in this thread.
 
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Sleep manip? Instinctively shanks can fight/defend himself in his sleep like we've seen with many others including WB, linlin & zoro. Then we have that whole thing with Film Red. HakiNegYourShytGg fr in this thread.
Spiritual level sleep manipulation + 15 Layers of Resistance neg. Take it or leave it 🗿

Also it messes up memory of the opponent. Shanks wouldn't even be in a state where he would know what's going on.
 
Ppl tripping. Stronger version of ichigo? Ichigo never got a power up. His only power up was vasto lorde. That doesn't mean ichigo got twice as strong in his base.

Sleep manip? Instinctively shanks can fight/defend himself in his sleep like we've seen with many others including WB, linlin & zoro. Then we have that whole thing with Film Red. HakiNegYourShytGg fr in this thread.
That’s still not stopping the bankai hax
 
The inner zanpaktou spirit isn't stopping itachis GJ

In a rush, I peraphs skipped some stuff.
Being a perfect Jinchuriki in itself doesn't automatically equate to be able to free oneself from a Genjutsu, neither it prevents one from being caught in.
What one needs is someone from the outside (inside, in Jinchuriki case) to offer them a way out, being a partner who can disrupt their Chakra flow.

Following the same reasoning, a Zanpakuto Spirit is a entity able to such feat, being capable of augment or reduce the amount of SP inside their owner body or even change the shape of their power according to ZS's will (Ruri'iro Kujaku, Nozarashi, Zangetsu are just some between many possible examples).

To my pov, that's reason enough to believe that a prodigy as Gin does possess a Zanpakuto Spirit able to free him for a Genjutsu, especially since in the manga they've been potrayed as entities that somehow observe the outside in a objective perspective, seeing what their very owner (ask Zangetsu again) can't see.

I've made my point, then it's up to you to freely share it or not. My vote for Gin won't change.
 
1. Why would they know to do that and even know the host mind is being tampered with
2. Tsukyomi happens to quick for any of that to happen which is why naruto told bee that Tsuk would kill him
3. Why won't itachi just GJ the zanpaktou lmao. We know the sharingan allows you to enter somebodies mind this is likely what obito did fo the mizukage
 
1. Why would they know to do that and even know the host mind is being tampered with
2. Tsukyomi happens to quick for any of that to happen which is why naruto told bee that Tsuk would kill him
3. Why won't itachi just GJ the zanpaktou lmao. We know the sharingan allows you to enter somebodies mind this is likely what obito did fo the mizukage
Yeah but are we forgetting the cloak and sniping?
 
Sorry, but no.

In the scans in Arcker's blog, it shows that SPIRITUAL ENERGY has memories that can be reawakened via being exposed to other types of spiritual energies.

Yhwach said that Ichigo's SPIRITUAL ENERGY has memories. Gin is not his SPIRITUAL ENERGY.

Shanks can still read and hear Gin's voice.
But that spirit energy is masked by the cloak and kido that’s bleach 101
 
Itachi genjutsu is not passive it has to be activated. Gin one closes his eyes most of the time. 2 has layered invisibility and mind/soul hax resistance. Itachi Genjutsu doesn’t work on soul even the infinite tsukyomi couldn’t affect edo tensei. Gin is snipping with his bankai from 10 kilometres away. Also Itachi would be busy with shanks he won’t know about Gin until it’s too late.
 
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This shit is so annoying. Bleach goons are second only to OP goons in wank. Broski's literally saying his eyes are closed as an actual arg

Bijuu are manifestations of chakra (Spirit energy) and are called souls, and basic sharingan GJ treats them.
 
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This shit is so annoying. Bleach goons are second only to OP goons in wank. Broski's literally saying his eyes are closed as an actual arg

Bijuu are manifestations of chakra (Spirit energy) and are called souls, and basic sharingan GJ treats them.
I'm not arguing Gin would win this, but i need some anwsers:

Didn't Sasuke, who have also good GJ, failed to put a man who lacked eyeballsd under genjutsu in one of the novels ? And even not looking in the eyes of a sharingan user also said to be viable stategy ? So Gin closing his eyes most of the time would mean it would still amper Itachi GJ strat, no ?
 
Man went fro. 7 to 8 to 15 layers. What you bleach peeps smoking fr¿ i need some of that to argue for shanks winning this shyt cuz its not looking gud rn bruv.

That sleep thingy instant? No away to dodge? What's it's range? Cuz shanks can always get out of range, and i don't see gin spamming it. Has gin opened with it before? On an enemy? If not then rip. He could get slapped up before thats even used.
 
I'm not arguing Gin would win this, but i need some anwsers:

Didn't Sasuke, who have also good GJ, failed to put a man who lacked eyeballsd under genjutsu in one of the novels ? And even not looking in the eyes of a sharingan user also said to be viable stategy ? So Gin closing his eyes most of the time would mean it would still amper Itachi GJ strat, no ?
Why would he know to do that? If u talking about the scientist guy his eyes were fake iirc
 
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