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I am aware this is a contentious issue, but I have several problems with the current 5-C scaling for original Dragon Ball characters. The entire concept of the 5-C scaling is centered around a flawed logic suggested in this thread which justifies the scaling. Now, I'm not suggesting that Master...
Tien Shinhan should have a High 4-C rating while using the Tri-Beam attack since he used it to push Semi-Perfect Cell into the ground, allowing 16 and 18 to escape. This technique badly drained Tien and nearly killed him.
Cell was unfazed by 16's punch:
Tien pushed Cell into the ground with...
Part 1: The Basics
Dragon Ball: Adventure Special describes the Four Witches Technique as generating attacks "more than twice as powerful as normal", and Daizenshuu 2's "Special Attacks" and Super Exciting Guide: Character Volume's "Character Collection" describe the technique as "surpassing...
Small addition for Kamehameha users ( i don't think i need a big explanation, right? )
Heat Manipulation: The Kamehameha generates a certain amount of heat and is capable of burning, bricks, irons, octopus, and a glass dome.
This is a re-attempt of this. And a direct refutation of this.
I won't be too long, I'll objectively prove Tien should be 5-C and there is nothing y'all can do about it.
EDIT:
TL;DR: 23rd Budokai Yamcha is 5-C, despite having a power level of 177, so Tien with a power level of 180 should...
23rd Budokai
But before the tournament starts, there are screams of terror.
Heaven covering clouds form over Papaya Island, and lightning strikes the arena, destroying the stands.
3 Fighters circle one man.
Jack The Drought. Queen The Plague. King The Conflagration.
And in the center, a fighter...
Since @Damage3245 decided to close his own thread abruptly, and how no one even managed to address my arguments here during the whole thread, I am making this one to highlight these points and again argue for 5-C 22nd Budokai Tenkaichi characters. This will make it more difficult for anyone to...
The purpose of this revision is to revise the AP, Striking Strength and Durability statistics of Tien Shinhan, Master Roshi, Son Goku, Drum and Yajirobe.
Currently, the characters all scale to Moon level via Tien Shinhan being scaled erroneously to Master Roshi's Max Power Kamehameha feat.
The...
The likes of Krillin, Tien Shinhan, and Master Roshi during the Universe Survival Saga share a rating of At least High 4-C and Massively FTL+.
This is on the grounds that the three characters were capable of completely destroying chunks of the Tournament of Power arena, which is made up of...
Android Saga Tien and Speed Equalized.
Tien Shinhan: 8 (@Soulgizmo, @Vizer04, @Eminiteable, @Nierre, @SlendVeny, @Popted2, @Dragonite007 and @ItsOnlyDanny3)
King Cold: 2 (@Gilad_Hyperstar and @LordGriffin1000)
Inconclusive:
Tien being 4-C with the Kikoho makes no sense whatsoever, and here's why.
First, Tien can sense energy and know exactly how strong people like SSJ Vegeta were when fighting Android 18, however, after the battle Tien said that even with Goku's power, they can't defeat Android 18 and Android 17...
Android Saga Tien and Namek Saga Frieza are used. Speed Equalized.
Tien Shinhan: 7 (@Gilad_Hyperstar, @GodlyCharmander, @StekFence, @Vizer04, @Popted2, @AceOfSpaces3709 and @thetechmaster36)
Frieza:
Inconclusive:
Tien Shinhan's Neo-Kikohō should be 4-C since it managed to pin Semi-Perfect Cell down by continuously using the attack, but this badly drained and nearly killed him. But why do i say it should be specifically 4-C?
Android 16 couldn't even move Cell after he absorbed 17:
Tien on the other...
Tien Shinhan:
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Tien_Shinhan?so=search
VS
Isshiki Otsutsuki: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Isshiki_Ōtsutsuki?so=search
I noticed that for Yamcha's profile it says that he's planet level due to Gero and 19 mistaking him for Goku, and that it would scale to Goku's peak that Gero would be aware of by Saiyan Saga due to when his data on them stopped. However that is assuming Gero didn't assume Goku wouldn't get any...
[Post-ToP Humans]
All the "human" Z Fighters should be upgraded to 3-B (Multi-Galaxy level) under this reasoning:
As you can see, Goten and Trunks can fight the seven Cell Jr. evenly.
The Cell Jr. has been training with 17 all this time and therefore, they should have increased their...
Currently, all of them are listed as 5-B (Planet Level) but in my opinion they should be upgraded to At least High 5-A (At least Dwarf Star Level) scaling to Goku (Namek Saga). Now, i'll proceed to explain my reasoning for this upgrade:
Goku casually deflecting Frieza's Death Beams
Much to...
I know, i know. I made a similar post not so long ago, but this time it's with a different reasoning:
Currently, the reason for Tien (22°TB key) to be listed as possibly 5-C is because "Master Roshi stated that Tenshinhan might have won if their fight continued". This implies that, although...
Currently, Chi-Chi is listed as High 8-C, but i think she should be 5-C.
In her battle against Goku, she forced him to move and even jump high into the air in order to dodge her attacks.
On the other hand, Tien didn't even move to dodge Tao's attacks, and Goku was far stronger than Tien at...
Cyborg Tao's key is listed as Unknown but i think it should be 5-C or at least possibly 5-C.
During the 23°Tenkaichi Budokai, Tsurusen'nin said that Cyborg Tao could easily kill Goku and Tien and he knew how strong Tien was back in the 22°TB since he trained him, so Cyborg Tao should be...
Krillin
Tien
Master Roshi
Yamcha (assume he is High 4-C and scales to the other 3).
vs.
First Form Frieza (RoF saga).
The humans have 7 days of prep.
Who's winning this and why? This can't really be added but it's interesting anyways imo.
The likes of Tien and Krillin are stated to be High 4C because they can destroy Katchi Katchin, even though Buu Saga Base Gohan was unable to destroy normal Katchin
However, Base Gohan is only 4C
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Son_Goha
"Star level, at least Large Star level as a Full Power...
Tien Shinhan (Dragon Ball Z, Majin Boo Arc) versus Zaraki Kenpachi (Bleach, by the tims of his first Fight vs. Kurosaki Ichigo)
Ki = Reiatsu
In-character, fight takes place where Ichigo fought Kuchiki Byakuya for the first time.
I've been wanting this to be a match for a WHILE.
Pride of the Crane School
VS.
Bald-Wonder
-Both at High 4-C
-No prep
-Tie Profile
-Krilli Profile
-Battle Theme
-Arena:
Characters that scale to Tien during the 22nd Budokai are 8-A via scaling to his Kikoho .
However, this attack doesn't scale to Striking Strength/Durability. The attack is specifically treated as seperate from generic punches, and it's outright stated that Goku would've died if this attack made...
Tien had a slight upperhand against 75% full power Goku when himself holding back slightly. He could somewhat compete with Full power Goku.
He should be much more powerful than a 75% piccolo who roflstomped Kami and somewhat comparable to a full-power picccolo. Piccolo was genuinely impressed...
The DBS key for Android 18 was recently upgraded to 3-A, and Krillin in the Universe Survival Saga key is High 4-C from scaling to 18, so I was wondering what should we do for Krillin, Tien, and Master Roshi. Should we place them at 3-A, Unknown, or somewhere else? I think an Uknown, possibly...