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the presence

  1. Elizio33

    An upgrade for The Presence

    Hello! 👋🏽 This thread will deal with the topic of god tiers of Crisis Cosmology, starting off with Monitor-Mind The Overvoid. The above name was used more exclusively in Grant Morrison's Final Crisis and Multiversity and in some of Grant's interviews, but was not mentioned elsewhere, but the...
    • Elizio33
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    • dc comics dc comics cosmology monitor-mind the overvoid the presence the source
    • Replies: 75
    • Forum: Content Revision

  2. CRT for The Presence

    Omnipotence: The Presence has been accepted as tier 0.
  3. VeryGoofyToddler2

    DC/Vertigo Cosmology Redo (Part 2 of 2)

    Hi, this thread is meant to be a continuation of part one which went on for a while. Due to it being derailed and over redundantly long, I decided to split the remaining portion here with whatever is left to evaluate. Here is part one for reference...
    • VeryGoofyToddler2
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    • death of the endless destiny of the endless dream of the endless father time lucifer morningstar (dc comics) michael demiurgos mother night (vertigo) the basanos the presence
    • Replies: 185
    • Forum: Content Revision
  4. Robo432343

    Arceus vs The Presence

  5. VeryGoofyToddler2

    DC/Vertigo Cosmology Redo(Part 1 of 2)

    Hi, since the the tiering system has been changed not too long ago. I decided to overlook the DC Cosmology blog page and wanted to revise the tiering and explanation on the blog. @Elizio33 is handling the Crisis Cosmology section of the blog. So I decided to handle J.M. DeMatteis and Vertigo...
    • VeryGoofyToddler2
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    • dc comics dream of the endless elaine belloc endless father time (vertigo) lucifer morningstar (dc comics) michael demiurgos mother night (vertigo) pralaya (dc comics) the presence
    • Replies: 428
    • Forum: Content Revision
  6. Elizio33

    DC/Crisis Cosmology Revision

    Hello! Following this thread and with the new tiering system of @Ultima_Reality, it is now time to revise our current tiers for the DC Comics Cosmology. Since, from what i understood, there are threads about revising the DeMatteis and the Vertigo cosmologies that are still ongoing, this thread...
    • Elizio33
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    • dc comics dc comics cosmology great darkness monitor-mind the overvoid the presence the source
    • Replies: 363
    • Forum: Content Revision
  7. IdiosyncraticLawyer

    DC Comics: The Light of Creation/The Great Darkness/The Presence (Vertigo) - Clean-up

    The Presence, the Source, and Monitor-Mind The Overvoid are currently considered to be the same entity in DC's Crisis Cosmology, but this was applied rather sloppily after the cosmology split was accepted: only the tiers were changed for the longest time, and the Presence, which was supposed to...
  8. Robo432343

    The Presence vs Yan Sen

    vs SBA Speed Equal The Presence vs Yan Sen
  9. PrinceStories

    DC cosmology questions

    I've been reading the current DC comics cosmology page for a long time https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/DC_Comics_Cosmology But I'm confused about the Vertigo cosmology section because, I saw the justifications only taken from pre-black label DC vertigo comics aka only stuck to Sandman...
  10. Mickey1940

    Why is the Presence weaker than a literal middle schooler

    The Presence is stated to be the ultimate being and creator god of all of DC Comics and Vertigo, which I assume also includes its spin-offs so then why is he put under the likes of Supergirl from Cosmic Adventures in the 8th Grade? Supergirl is also an entity that exists in DC Comics, albeit...
  11. VeryGoofyToddler2

    Vertigo(Neil Gaiman and Mike Carey) Revision

    Hello. In today's revision, I will be specifically going over the Vertigo verse(Pre-Black Label). This will tie in any Sandman features such as Endless Night, Orpheus, Overture, etc… The main premise is to establish what the Vertigo verse offers within the writings and statements of the main...
    • VeryGoofyToddler2
    • Thread
    • dc comics death of the endless destiny of the endless dream of the endless elaine belloc lucifer morningstar (dc comics) michael demiurgos the presence
    • Replies: 82
    • Forum: Content Revision
  12. VeryGoofyToddler2

    J.M. DeMatteis Cosmology Revision

    Hi, guys, this post is in regard to pointing out and structuring of J.M. DeMatteis's Cosmology with what he has written in his stories. Before we begin, I would like to mention that this specifically goes with what he had said within the story and a few linking points in some interviews, talks...
  13. Brogeefrong

    Sonic fights God |archie sonic vs dc round 2, Pre Genesis Sonic vs God (Seekers in Mystery)| 0-0-0

    Both are 7d Match takes place in my house Pre Genesis Ultra Sonic is used Literally God:0 Hedgehog God:0 the lame outcome:0
    • Brogeefrong
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    • dc comics deadline sonic the hedgehog (archie continuity) the presence
    • Replies: 26
    • Forum: Versus Threads
  14. VeryGoofyToddler2

    DC/Vertigo Cosmology Revision

    Hi, guys in today's thread I think it came up with a genius idea that may surprise you. To clarify this will primarily only focus on J.M. DeMattheis and Carey/Gaiman lore in their work on the Cosmology. Grant/Synder's work that I have read multiple times over the years seems fine where it is...
    • VeryGoofyToddler2
    • Thread
    • dc comics god lucifer morningstar (dc comics) michael demiurgos overvoid pralaya (dc comics) source the presence
    • Replies: 47
    • Forum: Content Revision
  15. VeryGoofyToddler2

    Perpetua “Diminished” State Revision.

    So I've seen the profile for Perpetua and she has two separate keys: Pre-Seventh Force Unlocked | Post-Seventh Force Unlocked There are a lot of things that are a tad bit of a misnomer between these two keys. I rather we break it down into 3 keys section: The first key would be Pre-Seventh...
    • VeryGoofyToddler2
    • Thread
    • alpheus anti monitor justice league mister mxyzptlk perpetua source the presence the source the world forger
    • Replies: 80
    • Forum: Content Revision
  16. VeryGoofyToddler2

    Elaine, Michael, Lucifer, and the Presence Possible 1-C upgrade.

    I agree with most of what the revision brought and I will go over some of the topics, I think needs to be worked on. Lucifer is a fan favorite so I will be going over him and his family first. Now I do agree that Lucifer and the Presence are nowhere near 1-A but I feel Low 1-C is also a tad bit...
    • VeryGoofyToddler2
    • Thread
    • dream of the endless elaine belloc lucifer morningstar (dc comics) michael demiurgos the presence
    • Replies: 335
    • Forum: Content Revision
  17. VeryGoofyToddler2

    City of Stars possible Low 1-C

    In today's thread, we can look at Sandman: Overture with the location called the City of Stars. It's the collection of stars in Creation in a place that is actuality. In a far away realm beyond the real one yet as each step of this actuality goes down to the level of reality until you reach...

  18. How far can Presence win?

    Now presence is 1-C How far can Presence win? Gilgamesh?
  19. VeryGoofyToddler2

    The Presence(Yahweh) Ability Addition.

    In today’s thread, I will be going over some needed power addition for Yahweh. I will also provide the reasoning and context behind each feat. Absorption(Power) - It is mentioned several times that Yahweh is the creator of both Michael and Lucifer, he was the one to give them their power. As...
  20. VeryGoofyToddler2

    The true “God” of DC

    This thread is intended to go over the many approaches to the supreme deities within each Cosmology written differently by each author. I will go over this holistic view of a God that should overlay what DC should have as a “supreme” being. This will be divided into four parts: Voids Creators...
  21. VeryGoofyToddler2

    Perpetua Actual Multiverse Origin

    This isn't really a content revision thread but it should help us understand what Perpetua actually did. This may help later to access and break down Perpetua's actual powers. Origin of the Greater Omniverse: In the beginning was only the Source, the original arbitrator of the Greater...
  22. VeryGoofyToddler2

    Lucifer's Creation “infinite dimension”

    So I was looking over the revision project when something popped into my mind. Lucifer’s Creation might have infinite dimensions. As we know Mike Carey explicitly states that he sees Universe and Multiverse as synonymous to describe an all-encompassing Creation. Highlighting that the Universe...
  23. VeryGoofyToddler2

    Williamson: Dark Frontier Cosmology

    So since we agreed with the previous notion of Cosmology split between Synder/Morrison, J.M. DeMattheis, and Gaiman/Carey. Then why not one for Williamson which may be implemented soon i the future. Dimensions: The dimensions seem to remain the same. They account for the standard view of the...
  24. VeryGoofyToddler2

    Possible addition of the ability “Creation” to Michael Demiurgos

    So after reading some character's profiles because of the fact the revision is soon to take place. I couldn't help but notice some things that seemed quite off. It has to do with the ability of “Creation.” https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Creation The short synopsis that was provided to be...
  25. VeryGoofyToddler2

    Remove “True Extent” from the Endless.

    So when reading over the content revision of the DC Cosmology for the most part I agree. I couldn't help but notice that the Endless has separate keys for what appears to be their “True Extent.” Which left me a bit perplexed given the idea of the Endless was always one and the same. So the...
  26. VeryGoofyToddler2

    DC Comics - Lucifer Morningstar Upgrade

    Hello in today’s content revision I think we should look over Lucifer Morningstar and why he deserves High 1-A. Here is one on Yahweh and why he deserves it. Yahweh This is the basis of how DC Vertigo is structured, remember Vertigo is written differently from the rest of DC. Vertigo down to...
    • VeryGoofyToddler2
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    • dc comics dc cosmology dc/vertigo comics endless lucifer morningstar (dc comics) michael demiurgos the presence
    • Replies: 44
    • Forum: Content Revision
  27. VeryGoofyToddler2

    The Presence(Yahweh) Upgrade

    Specifically; Yahweh, Lucifer, and Michael. I will go over Lucifer as Michael another time. The Presence/Yahweh Lucifer Morningstar Michael Demiurgos Yahweh: To start it off let’s talk about Yahweh. To first start, Yahweh is Infinite and Eternal. Infinite and Eternal (Lucifer Vol.1 #75)...
    • VeryGoofyToddler2
    • Thread
    • dc comics dc cosmology dream of the endless endless lucifer morningstar (dc comics) michael demiurgos the presence
    • Replies: 42
    • Forum: Content Revision
  28. NHTkenshin2

    Question about the presence (DC comics)

    This has troubled me for a while now. Is there any statement or implication that the “yahweh” and the “divine presence" key are different in anyway shape or form? There is nothing on the presences profile that prove that. He should in my opinion just have a single high outerverse level (or...
  29. Krazydog050

    Dc Verse Downgrade!

    This Crt is About Dc Verse that should be Downgrade for a long time ago and after new Description tiering system explain about 1-A|Outerverse level that said Characters who can affect objects with a number of dimensions equal to the cardinal aleph-2. Which Dc Didn't even have an Infinite...
    • Krazydog050
    • Thread
    • dc comics dc cosmology lucifer morningstar (dc comics) the presence the writer
    • Replies: 25
    • Forum: Content Revision
  30. Confluctor

    The Presence (DC) Abilities Revision

    https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/The_Presence The Presence has a lot of abilities without justifications and scans - like High Godly, despite never dying (?). Old files yada yada. But considering how important of a cosmological figure he is, I think we should use this thread to find scans and...
  31. ThePirateKing777

    DC Comics The Great Darkness Revisions and other things.

    So in the latest issue of Justice League Incarnate #4, It is revealed that In the beginning before creation and The Light existing was The Great Darkness/The Great Evil Beast. The Light was depicted in being the same as The Overvoid with it being called “Immaculate Perfection” as well as The...
  32. Unwanted

    New Evidence the Overvoid/Monitor-Mind is an aspect of the Presence

    Justice League Incarnate came with information about the origins of creation and the Overvoid. It clarified that the Overvoid/Monitor-Mind is in reality, only the light of the Presence being all there is, without darkness. Here is the story: In the beginning before creation and the light...
    • Unwanted
    • Thread
    • dc comics dc cosmology monitor-mind the overvoid the great evil beast the presence
    • Replies: 79
    • Forum: General Discussion

  33. Discussion about a character versus.

    Thoughts? I agree with the outcome.

  34. What? DC is 1-C?

    Oh, my God. What happened to the DC?

  35. TOAA vs The Presence

    1-A Tiering is used for both. TOAA: The Presence: Inconclusive: Who would win?

  36. The Presence vs Cetacean Hierarchy

    Both are at their strongest. Both entities are willing to kill. The Presence: Cetacean Hierarchy: Inconclusive:
  37. Galactic_Astronaut

    Goku vs The Presence

    Both are at their strongest. Morals are off. Absolute Wank: 2 (Hasty12345), (InfiniteDay), Absolute Downplay: 0 Inconclusive: Who wins?
  38. Galactic_Astronaut

    The Presence vs Akuto Sai

    Both at their strongest. Morals are off. The Presence: Akuto Sai: Inconclusive: Who wins?
  39. Galactic_Astronaut

    The Emperor of Mankind vs The Presence

    Both are at 1-A. Morals are off. The Emperor of Mankind: The Presence: Inconclusive: Who wins?
  40. Ned_the_outer_god

    How far above Baseline are the 1-As in DC comics?

    The title
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