Said figure is also identified, as you said, as the source.
Different beliefs yes, but the “heavens god” is seen as the source.
Still clearly not in the scan you have provided, pointing more at a place than a person, but we will come back to it a little more in depth in the next point.
Maybe i worded it incorrectly, the source and the heavens presence are used interchangebly
I give you the benefit of the doubt.
It's still not an evidence of what you claimed, as, in contrast to your scans, mine establish a relationship between two figures when the one you have provided affirms the energy of the Source in other places than New Genesis & Apokolips.
The New Gods’ evolution was shaped by a potent spiritual energy manifesting as a wall called “the Source,” which is closely concentrated on the twin worlds.
Key Words: Closely concentred.
Mister Miracle being able to sense a sign of energy from the Source (as a reminder, Post-crisis Source is an energy/force deified by the New Gods and other gods) in other places such as Heaven does not imply the claim you made, at all.
High 1-A energy = high 1-A
What it has anything to do with the points made so-far in this disscusion?
DC's tiering system or tiering system itself was not even adressed once. Irrelevant, once again.
The presence is omnipresent, he is the source.
We're going to reach the abbys, definitely.
The Presence is omnipresent, not beceause he is the Source, but because that there are evidence of attributes which are in line with the fact that he is the depiction of the Judeo-Christian God (in reality, Abrahamic God) in the DC's Universe. The existence of the Source or not would not change what the Presence was meant to be.
No, i feel like the myriads of statements saying they are, including the infinite and eternal one do unempty that claim.
As a quick recall: Claims = / = Evidence. You can still do better.
The relationship between God and the Void only concerns an universal God as shown previously, not being
exclusively part of a belief system, as you keep on claiming without any substantial evidence from the comics, for the simple reason that there is none, otherwise you would have already brought evidence instead of parrotging the same thing over and over starting from I don't know what post.
And he is right, as that his father is indeed the creator of dc comics.
The point is still over your head since Spectre was wrong because
he assumed that the God of his own belief system was the one true God, which you also have claimed, and is very far from being the case as this storyline shown and other works. To put it simply, if you still don't get it, the Spectre claiming that the God of his worldview is the Creator does not make him wrong, but claiming that he is true one among others does. That's the subtle difference, which you have claimed:
The spectres father, the Judeo-Christian God is the true god in DC comics
This storyline, even the work itself does not remotely support that point, given that, to add more to what I have previously put forth, Michael and the Spectre were both depicted in their Hindu's aspects, respectively Kali and Shiva.
Which effortesly contradicts this ridiculous point, as in their Hindu's aspects,
the Creator is Brahma.
This is DC's canon, in which Creation myths, figures themselves, etc. are part of a relativism in the sense each belief interprets it according to its own context, as already explained multiple times in this thread.
Later via different interpretation the source, the presence and Mawu can were actually identified as the same person (As said by orunmilla, and as it should be with the gods of olympus)
There is not "later", as the Spectre was not right to begin with on his assumption on the true God.
Also nothing in that message or my apparent contradiction prove the idea of a 2nd key.
The belief system seemingly does nothing to do that too.
Nonsense, for the simple reason that the aspect of a figure is not the figure itself as it was made it clear since my first post, and even more so with my previous post on the Presence "God" fitting the perception of his interloctor, like the Endless, side-effects of God's Creation, whom we only saw aspects of them.
If not completely prove the idea that the heavens presence is overvoid/source level.
The Presence = / = The Presence "God", and, as I said before, DC's tiering system was not even adressed, stick to the discussion.
I am not denying the fact that the presence and the overvoid are equal. I am denying the “fact” that the heaven presence is different then This “void presence"
Very well, we've already moved from one square, however, my point was not that God and the Void are necessarily equal, but the fact that this "true one God" is one with the Void, not in Heaven or any places
inside Creation, which will be shown in the next point to debunk this absurdity of claiming the opposite.
Alright then big boy
Now how does that prove the idea of the presence “god"?
Just dont respond to me “i have already explained" because you clearly haven't.
Just because you require more mental gymnastic for you to understand it (being an ignoramus reader or in denial), does not mean no explanation were provided.
Admitting the Hand of Light coming out of Heaven to reach the Great Darkness in Swamp Thing # 50 is 'the real dude', 'the true God', whatever you may have called it at this point, this same figure can not be partaken in a dualistic engagement between Light and Darkness that he himself transcends, as I have mentioned in Swamp Thing #75, unless, as I have logically explained since the start of my involved in this thread, this figure has aspects inside Creation through which he interacts with it.
It does not require a lot of thought to reach the conclusion that this figure who came out of Heaven is different to the Presence "God" after this explanation, and actually reading the aftermath in Swamp Thing #75, showing in the same issue both figures in different instances, one partaking with the Great Darkness in the spiritual realm (Heaven-Hell); while the other is one with the Void.
The heavens presence, is not talking about a true form of himself in (lucifer 2000 #75)
This point is not even a point if it was not adressed to begin with. There is not post of mine claiming that the Presence was talking "about a true form of himself", in contrary if you paid attention.
If you are referecing to the specific instance in which Lucifer and the Presence had a talk in the final Mike Carey's Lucfer issue, this was not the point as their disscusion was about Lucifer's futile attempt to be his own maker.
Nevertheless, this does not mean there are not evidence about an universal God's figure who is one with the Void, opposed to the one inside Creation, in the Primium Mobile. That's the subtle difference, once again.
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