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City of Stars possible Low 1-C

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In today's thread, we can look at Sandman: Overture with the location called the City of Stars.

It's the collection of stars in Creation in a place that is actuality. In a far away realm beyond the real one yet as each step of this actuality goes down to the level of reality until you reach Night beyond all event horizons. (Sandman: Overture Vol.1 #4)

Yahweh Creation houses infinite worlds(Universes) and there are realms beyond it and this could be one of those realms. It goes beyond Creation and from there you go down in level until you descend to Mother Night. I believe this place could be Low 1-C.
 
In today's thread, we can look at Sandman: Overture with the location called the City of Stars.

It's the collection of stars in Creation in a place that is actuality. In a far away realm beyond the real one yet as each step of this actuality goes down to the level of reality until you reach Night beyond all event horizons. (Sandman: Overture Vol.1 #4)

Yahweh Creation houses infinite worlds(Universes) and there are realms beyond it and this could be one of those realms. It goes beyond Creation and from there you go down in level until you descend to Mother Night. I believe this place could be Low 1-C.
I saw the scans and nothing implies Qualitative superiority over the universes, also "could be" is not a good argument in this case
 
I saw the scans and nothing implies Qualitative superiority over the universes, also "could be" is not a good argument in this case
What would you recommend then? It's a scale to things like the Dreaming, The Silver City, etc...

The City is above Creation and the level of reality which is “Time” as a reference to all parts of Creation goes down until you reach Night.

It's outside the “real world” which is reality and this also means it is located outside the Dreaming.
 
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What would you recommend then? It's a scale to things like the Dreaming, The Silver City, etc...
this should be our arguments then, and it should be in the OP with scans
The City is above Creation and the level of reality which is “Time” as a reference to all parts of Creation goes down until you reach Night.
None of this says it is above creation, it will take you through time and into the night in that contexts means nothing about qualitative superiority over the universe
It's outside the “real world” which is reality and this also means it is located outside the Dreaming.
Outside =/= equal transcend, the united states is just outside canada, it means they are not within each other, it will not mean transcendence without more contexts
 
this should be our arguments then, and it should be in the OP with scans
If there was extra context needed then yes. However, that one scan is already enough info it's due to different interpretations that you didn't see it that way.
None of this says it is above creation, it will take you through time and into the night in that contexts means nothing about qualitative superiority over the universe
Time is the beginning and represents all things in Creation mainly time and space. This is why it goes down in reality until you reach Night which is outside the reality(Creation) This place scales above the Dreaming and Dream is already Low 1-C and he would be an easy target for the resident of the City.
Outside =/= equal transcend, the united states is just outside canada, it means they are not within each other, it will not mean transcendence without more contexts
There is the City itself and the resident can destroy Creation with just a few accumulations of stars. The City is far larger than Creation on the same greater than the Dreaming. The Dreaming is outside Creation but not qualitative greater but the City is the same it is “outside” but it also transcends Creation like the Silver City. Both Cities are outside the Dreaming as well and scale to each other which is already enough for Low 1-C.

Why do you make the City of Stars just a standalone? Obviously, it scales to other realms and is above Creation in the sense of transcendence like the Silver City while the Dreaming is only outside.
 
Actually being "outside" of creation isn't enough to prove the qualitative superiority, the creation isn't Low 1-C, that's the dreamer/god scales to Low 1-C.
 
Actually being "outside" of creation isn't enough to prove the qualitative superiority, the creation isn't Low 1-C, that's the dreamer/god scales to Low 1-C.
Exactly it surpasses both Dreaming and Creation. If they listen to me about the Endless realm being within Creation with an upgrade of it. Then Creations as a whole would be Low 1-C due to current info, that would be enough to upscale the CoS to being Low 1-C. If not then it can be 2-A but I don’t the Multiverse = CoS in terms of scaling.

The Endless are Low 1-C, it scales to them.
 
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