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And that means he scales a layer higher than them why ?
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HST Showdown - (Round 6 - Villainous Façades)
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Actual Haki layering level arguments.
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He is talking about the Espada his layers is at least 2 times a over theirs.
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What’s your stance on this?
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I don't believe Gin can Reiatsu Crush Grimmjow like how Aizen did.
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Actually he can because he scales above the Espada based on feats.
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Scaling above the Espada doesn't mean you can Reiatsu Crush individual members like how Aizen did.
Vasto Lorde Ichigo scales above the Espada, he didn't Reiatsu Crush Ulquiorra in their fight however.
Vasto Lorde Ichigo scales above the Espada, he didn't Reiatsu Crush Ulquiorra in their fight however.
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Because he wasn’t trying to? I mean you have to purposefully do it unless your transcendent Aizen who does that passively.
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Yes he didn't.
Yes, Vasto Lorde Ichigo scales above the Espada, he didn't Reiatsu Crush Ulquiorra in their fight however but Aizen is a different case as he a way of proving his superiority over Grimmjow.
As long as he has the Reiatsu above all Espadas he doesn't necessarily need to Reiatsu crush them.
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He was literally bloodlusted in the form, what do you mean by he "wasn't trying to"?. He wasn't controlling the output of his Reiatsu during that time, he was letting it flow out of him without stopping it or restraining it.
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Killer be is a perfect jinchurki and naruto said tsukyomi would kill Jim
The 4th mizukage is a perfect jin and obito had him under GJ for years
The inner zanpaktou spirit isn't stopping itachis GJ
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Doesn't matter
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That's such a real ass statement.
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As long as he didn't use it for the purpose Aizen did.
Aizen use his for intimidation.
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Ppl tripping. Stronger version of ichigo? Ichigo never got a power up. His only power up was vasto lorde. That doesn't mean ichigo got twice as strong in his base.
Sleep manip? Instinctively shanks can fight/defend himself in his sleep like we've seen with many others including WB, linlin & zoro. Then we have that whole thing with Film Red. HakiNegYourShytGg fr in this thread.
Sleep manip? Instinctively shanks can fight/defend himself in his sleep like we've seen with many others including WB, linlin & zoro. Then we have that whole thing with Film Red. HakiNegYourShytGg fr in this thread.
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Ichigo got stronger after his Full Hollow Transformation.
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Spiritual level sleep manipulation + 15 Layers of Resistance neg. Take it or leave it
Also it messes up memory of the opponent. Shanks wouldn't even be in a state where he would know what's going on.
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Put me down for gin fra
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That’s still not stopping the bankai hax
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Out of curiosity, are you referring to Ichigo pre and post Ulq fight not being any stronger? Cuz if so, boy do I have news for you lol
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In a rush, I peraphs skipped some stuff.
Being a perfect Jinchuriki in itself doesn't automatically equate to be able to free oneself from a Genjutsu, neither it prevents one from being caught in.
What one needs is someone from the outside (inside, in Jinchuriki case) to offer them a way out, being a partner who can disrupt their Chakra flow.
Following the same reasoning, a Zanpakuto Spirit is a entity able to such feat, being capable of augment or reduce the amount of SP inside their owner body or even change the shape of their power according to ZS's will (Ruri'iro Kujaku, Nozarashi, Zangetsu are just some between many possible examples).
To my pov, that's reason enough to believe that a prodigy as Gin does possess a Zanpakuto Spirit able to free him for a Genjutsu, especially since in the manga they've been potrayed as entities that somehow observe the outside in a objective perspective, seeing what their very owner (ask Zangetsu again) can't see.
I've made my point, then it's up to you to freely share it or not. My vote for Gin won't change.
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What are the votes so far?
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1. Why would they know to do that and even know the host mind is being tampered with
2. Tsukyomi happens to quick for any of that to happen which is why naruto told bee that Tsuk would kill him
3. Why won't itachi just GJ the zanpaktou lmao. We know the sharingan allows you to enter somebodies mind this is likely what obito did fo the mizukage
2. Tsukyomi happens to quick for any of that to happen which is why naruto told bee that Tsuk would kill him
3. Why won't itachi just GJ the zanpaktou lmao. We know the sharingan allows you to enter somebodies mind this is likely what obito did fo the mizukage
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Yeah but are we forgetting the cloak and sniping?
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But that spirit energy is masked by the cloak and kido that’s bleach 101
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Itachi genjutsu is not passive it has to be activated. Gin one closes his eyes most of the time. 2 has layered invisibility and mind/soul hax resistance. Itachi Genjutsu doesn’t work on soul even the infinite tsukyomi couldn’t affect edo tensei. Gin is snipping with his bankai from 10 kilometres away. Also Itachi would be busy with shanks he won’t know about Gin until it’s too late.
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I'm not arguing Gin would win this, but i need some anwsers:
This shit is so annoying. Bleach goons are second only to OP goons in wank. Broski's literally saying his eyes are closed as an actual arg
Bijuu are manifestations of chakra (Spirit energy) and are called souls, and basic sharingan GJ treats them.
Didn't Sasuke, who have also good GJ, failed to put a man who lacked eyeballsd under genjutsu in one of the novels ? And even not looking in the eyes of a sharingan user also said to be viable stategy ? So Gin closing his eyes most of the time would mean it would still amper Itachi GJ strat, no ?
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Man went fro. 7 to 8 to 15 layers. What you bleach peeps smoking fr¿ i need some of that to argue for shanks winning this shyt cuz its not looking gud rn bruv.
That sleep thingy instant? No away to dodge? What's it's range? Cuz shanks can always get out of range, and i don't see gin spamming it. Has gin opened with it before? On an enemy? If not then rip. He could get slapped up before thats even used.
That sleep thingy instant? No away to dodge? What's it's range? Cuz shanks can always get out of range, and i don't see gin spamming it. Has gin opened with it before? On an enemy? If not then rip. He could get slapped up before thats even used.
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Kenbun counters his genjutsu.
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Why would he know to do that? If u talking about the scientist guy his eyes were fake iirc
