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Yeah but it seems like MrKing is talking about sole marksmanship skills here in which Vash takes the cake in that regard.
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...That's intelligence, not skill.Firephoenixearl said:So you'll call someone who gets a 10 in english more skilled than a guy who gets a 9.5 in english but perfect 10's in literally every other subject known to man?
Vash managed to stick gum on the hammer of a gun without anyone noticing, and did so from some numerous feet away.Firephoenixearl said:Ikki has gotten with perfect accuracy things by kicking random objects or by bouncing erasers before getting it stuck in a barrel.
It's actually "over a hundred", but it's still as i said, not just moves, emotions, chains of thoughts, feelings, and cannot be fooled because it steals the identity. And from what im reading it's thousands but it's a rather bad one, as he doesn't deduce "what will happen", he just knows what can happen so he's ready for everything, ikki knows with details everything that will happen from deducting out of countless possibilities.The Causality said:@Fire Ikki is hundreds, not thousands like him.
For the rest Sasaki literally has all of them but better.
I would say so if the former has performed feats of combat skill which dwarf anything the latter has done with any of the forms they've mastered. Which by the way:Firephoenixearl said:So to make it simpler. Are you saying that the best boxer is more skilled than the 2nd best boxer who happens to be the world's best at swordsmanship, spearmanship, every martial art known to man and every weapon there is out there?
I read through Ikki's feats blog, and I've yet to see anything Ikki has done that's as blatantly cartoonish as what I've laid out for Vash. This alone is something I see no evidence of Ikki having the ability to replicate with or without marksmanship, and until you prove he can do so, your consistent assertions that Ikki's feats "far dwarf" Vash's are empty.Firephoenixearl said:Ikki's feats in comparison far dwarf Vash, even in areas that aren't swordmastery like prediction, understanding, senses etc. Vash just has more gun feats, that by itself is not better than Ikki.
Never said he's not. But it really doesn't feel like he is with all the stuff he has. That's what i mean by "almost nobody argues how good his character is even if they are indeed very good".EmperorRorepme said:Lmao. Reinhard is a good character and 40k characters are great. So I think that's a bad example.
The real cal howard said:Reinhard is a sue tho. Even beyond the power stuff, dude has statements of shit like being able to bed any woman he pleases (and it's not an exaggeration). If that isn't some My Immortal stuff I don't know what is.
Everyone else in DI is okay tho.
Actually fugil lost against Ikki in skill. And vash he's skilled for sure, but he's strictly limited to guns and nothing else. So he gets dropped too, he's too limited.First Witch said:The top 3 seems to consist of Ikki, Jin, Fugil and Vash.
Its Fun and Games because this has no lasting impact on the wiki at all. But its still rude towards the op and everyone else who participates here seriouslyThe real cal howard said:Its Batman.
Also remember this is a F&G board. It's not like this is a CRT where we need to get stuff done.
Body Control.Firephoenixearl said:Having such good control of your body you can manipulate your heart and even fix your neurotransmitters after they've been fried. Or manipulating your body on a cellular level to drain energy?
Has more to do with Information Analysis and intelligence than raw combat skill.Firephoenixearl said:Copying the entirety of a style (including all secret techniques, stances, history and ideas then perfecting the technique) just by glancing at it's stance?
More Information Analysis.Firephoenixearl said:Entering your opponent's unconsciousness by performing a specific type of breathing and footwork that has to enter your opponent's rythym?
Enhanced Senses.Firephoenixearl said:Literally notice voids of sounds in space by hearing?
Doesn't mean he can pull off something equivalent to removing the fuses from airborne dynamite sticks before they can hit the ground. Even with sword skill, assuming he'd have the sword skill tantamount to doing something like this is nebulous at best if you're going by the feats in that blog.Firephoenixearl said:Knowing every martial art, sword style there is along with every other weapon there is and being capable of using the techniques of those weapons on his katana.
"Cutting metal with paper via skill" and "negating the concept of acceleration" sound like the kind of conceptual nonsense that the OP is ignoring. If we're using things like this, then Vampire Hunter D has him beat by being able to "cut someone with such skill" that it negates their ability to heal the wound all the way down to their soul, and I'm sure there are plenty of other characters with "skill feats that aren't actually skill feats" which are similarly beyond this instance Ikki has shown.Firephoenixearl said:Literally being so masterful at slashing he can cut metal with paper and negate hitting the atmosphere and causing energy loss along with moving the body in complete unison to negate the concept of acceleration which means going from 0% to 100% speed instantly
Not like you would have accepted any other outcome. But this dosn't make much of a difference though? Just because you have established that Fugil is below Ikki dosnt mean he is below everyone else who is currently top contender?Firephoenixearl said:Actually fugil lost against Ikki in skill. And vash he's skilled for sure, but he's strictly limited to guns and nothing else. So he gets dropped too, he's too limited.
Ikki, Jin and Sasaki RoR seem to be the top 3 rn.
Thank you.MrKingOfNegativity said:Also, to everyone: How about we not start with any of this off-topic bickering? Yell at each other on Discord if you have to, but don't turn this thread into a fistfight.