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Tokyo Revengers Upgrade Hypersonic+ Speed

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Yes, he wasn't trying to dodge Kakucho's punches and most likely same with South's punch. During their fight Mikey doesn't really care about defense and just focuses on attacking South as strong as he can basically. The reason why South scales to Mikey is because South landed his punch just as quickly as Mikey landed his kick. Mikey not caring about dodging doesn't matter here. Mikey kicked South with full strength and at the same time South punched him with full strength as well, both hitting each other at the same time, which then means that South's punch = Mikey's kick in speed, putting him at hypersonic+.
No, you only see their punches & kicks after landing, Mikey was able to get there before South but the pict on the panel was taken after South had landed his punches too, that contradicts the fact that South himself was briefly destroyed (to the point of being immobilized) and himself didn't realize it(South & Mikey speed comparison), luckily Takemichi knew it.
 
Seeing as you're taking South's statement as fact then him and Mikey are equal in strength then In that short exchange he blitz ****** South showing that first punch and kick trade wasn't Mikey's peak thereby South doesn't scale
No? That statement is obviously not true.
You're reasoning doesn't make sense if Mikey is Hypersonic+ at his PEAK
If Mikey doesn't scale to Izana by beating him and being faster than him then there is no proof that he could be that fast even at his peak.
 
If Mikey doesn't scale to Izana by beating him and being faster than him then there is no proof that he could be that fast even at his peak.
He does scale from that tho... Mikey being serious and actually exerting himself is his peak


He did not remotely exert himself with South
 
and himself didn't realize it(South & Mikey speed comparison), luckily Takemichi knew it.
What do you mean? If you mean that the reason on why South didn't realize the kicks were because they were too quick then that's false and I already explained that?
No, you only see their punches & kicks after landing, Mikey was able to get there before South but the pict on the panel was taken after South had landed his punches too
That could be true, but what I said could also be true since you can't possibly know which one is the true one. I guess we won't know until it gets animated (unless they won't show that either in the anime). I think until then this worths a possibly hypersonic+.
 
What do you mean? If you mean that the reason on why South didn't realize the kicks were because they were too quick then that's false and I already explained that?

That could be true, but what I said could also be true since you can't possibly know which one is the true one. I guess we won't know until it gets animated (unless they won't show that either in the anime). I think until then this worths a possibly hypersonic+.
Give a good & reasonable reason if your input wants to be accepted. We're open to that, it's just that it looks like you're just doing a Circular Argument.
 
He does scale from that tho... Mikey being serious and actually exerting himself is his peak


He did not remotely exert himself with South
The only way Mikey can be scaled to Izana is if you say that Izana was moving at hypersonic+ speed the entire time and Mikey beat him, which then would be true. You can't just say that because Izana was able to do it then Mikey is able to do it as well, that's stupid.
 
Essentially yes it should just be Mikey and Izana though some have made arguements for others those haven't really gone anywhere but if necessary we still have a compromise option of downscaling some characters but that compromise aside if it's not necessary then which I don't think it is then only Mikey and Izana would scale as originally intended
Alright then.
 
Give a good & reasonable reason if your input wants to be accepted. We're open to that, it's just that it looks like you're just doing a Circular Argument.
Mikey and South kicking and punching each other at the same time thing that we just talked about. Since there is no way to know if they actually hit each other at the same time or if its just shown after Mikey already kicked him, it should be good enough for a possibly until it gets animated.
 
Mikey and South do fight each other, but South will be Hypersonic when he matches Mikey's attack speed

While all South did was spam punches, and Mikey, who was in a dark impulsive state at that time, attacked South making South unaware that he had been seriously injured.

It's just another impulsive effect, which is mad and full of rage, and when Takemichi stops him, South still looks like he doesn't know what's going on, and should, the only thing he realizes is, he's already lost.
 
Mikey and South kicking and punching each other at the same time thing that we just talked about. Since there is no way to know if they actually hit each other at the same time or if its just shown after Mikey already kicked him, it should be good enough for a possibly until it gets animated.
We've explained it before, if you continue to do Circular Arguments, we'll have to ignore your input considering you're the only opposition here and the others seem fine.
 
We've explained it before, if you continue to do Circular Arguments, we'll have to ignore your input considering you're the only opposition here and the others seem fine.
Basically this, it's just been circular arguements with you just take the opposition and leave it up to staff to decide
 
Basically this, it's just been circular arguements with you just take the opposition and leave it up to staff to decide
That's right, instead of this thread being filled with endless Circular Arguments, it's better to leave it to the Staff to decide.
 
We've explained it before, if you continue to do Circular Arguments, we'll have to ignore your input considering you're the only opposition here and the others seem fine.
You literally asked me so I said a proper reason that you can't deny that I also said before but you didn't reject it.
 
You literally asked me so I said a proper reason that you can't deny that I also said before but you didn't reject it.
We ask that you provide good & reasonable reasons, but you still provide arguments that are essentially the same as before which I think Dalesean has already answered, it makes me assume you are doing Circular Arguments.

Just like before, we better let the Staff decide.
 
Yes check the entire last page and properly read through the thread
It was answered multiple times but we're literally just talking about the same thing but worded different that's not making a new arguement so as we said we'll wait on staff to review things and make the decision
Yeah I just read through everything and you didn't.
 
Mikey and South kicking and punching each other at the same time thing that we just talked about.
This was literally what was discussed you even admitted we talked about it prior
Since there is no way to know if they actually hit each other at the same time or if its just shown after Mikey already kicked him, it should be good enough for a possibly until it gets animated.
This is a non-arguement in the first place since it's already been established Mikey casually stomped South and even moments prior allowed himself to be hit by Kakochou literally all this means is a Fired up South matched 1 blow with a casual dark impulse Mikey who then completely blitzed him while still being casual so I'm not sure why you're making this a big point of contention

I've literally already talked about this on the last page multiple times
 
Now we'll be waiting on staff input it'll likely come tomorrow so just wait until then
 
This was literally what was discussed you even admitted we talked about it prior
This is a non-arguement in the first place since it's already been established Mikey casually stomped South and even moments prior allowed himself to be hit by Kakochou literally all this means is a Fired up South matched 1 blow with a casual dark impulse Mikey who then completely blitzed him while still being casual so I'm not sure why you're making this a big point of contention

I've literally already talked about this on the last page multiple times
And most of the stuff you said here has been answered as well.
 
Yes, I don't really want to read it.
That's fine your opinion is invalidated by saying this as you're not caring to read the oppositions points
And most of the stuff you said here has been answered as well.
By repeating the same answered points worded differently. that's not arguing anything and I can't care to keep trying with you when you've done nothing to prove your claims yet remain in opposition

This too is still pointed out in the last page but I digress we'll wait for staff review
 
Read this entire debacle, and jeez. I feel bad for all sides involved. Arguments from incredulity, Arguments from ignorance, Alleged certainty etc. Best to let staff decide...
 
Read this entire debacle, and jeez. I feel bad for all sides involved. Arguments from incredulity, Arguments from ignorance, Alleged certainty etc. Best to let staff decide...
Since yesterday we are still waiting for the staff to decide.
 
Mikey clearly won that confrontation against South and dealt much more damage, so it's clear that he's superior in some way. If we can consider South's statement of their strength being on par as reliable, then Mikey would be much faster but I've already said earlier that I'm not sure how much we should consider South's statement due to his mental state at that time. I'm inclined to consider Mikey stronger and faster than South based on what I know since even Mikey's initial kick would have needed to cover a larger distance than South's punch in order to land even if it isn't a large difference. Hypersonic+ is still ridiculously faster than Subsonic but if there are going to be more feats above Subsonic, then I can feel more comfortable with that.
 
Mikey clearly won that confrontation against South and dealt much more damage, so it's clear that he's superior in some way. If we can consider South's statement of their strength being on par as reliable, then Mikey would be much faster but I've already said earlier that I'm not sure how much we should consider South's statement due to his mental state at that time. I'm inclined to consider Mikey stronger and faster than South based on what I know since even Mikey's initial kick would have needed to cover a larger distance than South's punch in order to land even if it isn't a large difference. Hypersonic+ is still ridiculously faster than Subsonic but if there are going to be more feats above Subsonic, then I can feel more comfortable with that.
Thanks for your decision.

If we don't find any feats above subsonic for characters like South and other Top Tier maybe, are we still just going to scale Hypersonic+ to Mikey & Izana?
 
Thanks for your decision.

If we don't find any feats above subsonic for characters like South and other Top Tier maybe, are we still just going to scale Hypersonic+ to Mikey & Izana?
You're welcome.

I'd feel uncomfortable with the gap and it does seem a bit ridiculous to have them that much above the others but you'd need more than an argument of incredulity to make that invalid. While there is only one Hypersonic+ feat Mikey and Izana scale above the others with multiple instances of them fighting while not being at their peak or going all out. It would probably depend on the context and if anyone can be considered to at least downscale from them. The exchange of a kick and punch between Mikey and South would probably have looked different with Mikey kicking South 28 times faster than South was punching but that can be ignored if there is enough context to support such a gap being not implausible.
 
You're welcome.

I'd feel uncomfortable with the gap and it does seem a bit ridiculous to have them that much above the others but you'd need more than an argument of incredulity to make that invalid. While there is only one Hypersonic+ feat Mikey and Izana scale above the others with multiple instances of them fighting while not being at their peak or going all out. It would probably depend on the context and if anyone can be considered to at least downscale from them. The exchange of a kick and punch between Mikey and South would probably have looked different with Mikey kicking South 28 times faster than South was punching but that can be ignored if there is enough context to support such a gap being not implausible.
That's the compromise we came up with that if necessary we could downscale those below Mikey and Izana to

At least subsonic(justifications), at most possibly hypersonic+ at peak (justifications).

Ofc obviously not everyone should scale and some should outright be just subsonic but we can worry about that when we have profiles drafted up

While Mikey and Izana would just flat out scale to the full value at their peaks or when serious



Though if the draken feat is calcable we could just instead scale those who'd downscale from the compromise to that
 
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That's the compromise we came up with that if necessary we could downscale those below Mikey and Izana to

At least subsonic(justifications), at most possibly hypersonic+ at peak (justifications).

Ofc obviously not everyone should scale and some should outright be just subsonic but we can worry about that when we have profiles drafted up

While Mikey and Izana would just flat out scale to the full value at their peaks or when serious



Though if the draken feat is calcable we could just instead scale those who'd downscale from the compromise to that
So what decisions will we make? compromise with at most Possibly Hypersonic+ on South?
 
So until now Joshpiece is still looking for a feat that is likely to have a bigger result than Subsonic? That's why he hasn't appeared here yet?
I'm not sure tbh, do we have any word on the draken feat?
 
Although I'm not sure it will work in the calculations myself, I'll ask the Calc Groub about this problem, hoping there's a solution for it.
Yeah it's pretty strange but checking is better than not
 
Can somebody explain each side of the arguments here so far in an easy to understand manner please?
 
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