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Only shows that Mikey is better than South strength and durability wise, not speed.
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Tokyo Revengers Upgrade Hypersonic+ Speed
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That's pretty much the case with Mikey not really even caring to dodge or being concerned with the damage even while he's bleeding or after the fight
While this is true considering the context of what just happens, He fight Senju who doesn't possess the actual strength to harm him in which giving a worthwhile fight and proceeds to fight the "Strongest guy" and gets absolutely destroyed
South specifically even says "the beat is unstoppable" in reference to the blows being that are thrown
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Can't see how this is supposed to prove anything.
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It's all good we can break it down easily give me a minute to type my response
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Sorry that took a while I was gathering scans
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I'll explain this via scaling chains with scans
And while gathering scans I noticed do agree that strength where it relates to South does seemingly equate to both Strength in speed but as you'll see that'll change things up a bit
A casual South gets blitzed by Waka and Benkei both of whom Akashi considers to be relative to Senju herself as he believes she underestimates their strength (all of this is shown in the scans)
Anyways speedwise this casual South couldn't keep up with them but when he's fueled by dark impulses(similarly to Mikey) and gives into his violent urges it makes him stronger(again going by the notion strength is determined as a whole of stats including speed namely) which in turn allows him to fodderize Waka and Benkei without them even being able to react
After this we of course get South vs Senju with the first half of this fight putting this South against Senju who after getting tagged by South has to realize her potential to stand a chance
However once again South gets fired up "for the first time in a while" (this being verbatim from his own words even calling Senju by her title which shows she performs better than Waka and Benkei) unfortunately however Senju doesn't really stand a chance against this fired up South and only gets to dodge one blow, throwing a kick before being immediately tagged while in motion swatting her away which puts her out the fight
This fired up South is approached by Mikey who in that same chapter LETS HIMSELF GET HIT by Kakucho not even being concerned with the blow
https://imgur.com/a/QrcNd0Z
Mikey isn't fired up and feeling the rhythm of battle the same way South is and instead is fighting while giving in to his dark impulses which Senju even notes
https://imgur.com/a/ab9wMvp
Anyways this fired up South and Mikey trade one blow before they then exchange a barrage of blows with Mikey absolutely destroying South without him even being able to realize the amount of damage he's taken in the brief but quick exchange with Mikey fully dominating
https://imgur.com/a/a2CD4PU
https://imgur.com/a/964Tsqe
This scaling chain fits narratively from the battles of the 3 deities and speedwise from the way this went but here it is
Casual South<Waka and Benkei~Senju< South giving into his dark impulses(upon realizing he could be beaten in his battle) <Senju after realizing her potential<Fired up South<<<Dark Impulse Mikey<<Serious Mikey
With this I'd say it's pretty clear Mikey is above them in speed and just on this scale in general
Again though this same Mikey was willing to take hits from Kakucho without caring much and pretty blatantly didn't really care with South either as he dominated him completely and was slowly beating him to death as he lay on the ground post their fight
Mikey in his fight with Izana fought much more seriously and harder with Izana with everything he had basically while he's clearly dominating here without even a question to his victory, south's strength or the fact that he's going to kill South. Mikey's portrayed as being pretty disconnected and casual here post draken's death which some characters even question as they figure he'd be more fired up and pissed about it
And while gathering scans I noticed do agree that strength where it relates to South does seemingly equate to both Strength in speed but as you'll see that'll change things up a bit
A casual South gets blitzed by Waka and Benkei both of whom Akashi considers to be relative to Senju herself as he believes she underestimates their strength (all of this is shown in the scans)
Anyways speedwise this casual South couldn't keep up with them but when he's fueled by dark impulses(similarly to Mikey) and gives into his violent urges it makes him stronger(again going by the notion strength is determined as a whole of stats including speed namely) which in turn allows him to fodderize Waka and Benkei without them even being able to react
After this we of course get South vs Senju with the first half of this fight putting this South against Senju who after getting tagged by South has to realize her potential to stand a chance
However once again South gets fired up "for the first time in a while" (this being verbatim from his own words even calling Senju by her title which shows she performs better than Waka and Benkei) unfortunately however Senju doesn't really stand a chance against this fired up South and only gets to dodge one blow, throwing a kick before being immediately tagged while in motion swatting her away which puts her out the fight
This fired up South is approached by Mikey who in that same chapter LETS HIMSELF GET HIT by Kakucho not even being concerned with the blow
https://imgur.com/a/QrcNd0Z
Mikey isn't fired up and feeling the rhythm of battle the same way South is and instead is fighting while giving in to his dark impulses which Senju even notes
https://imgur.com/a/ab9wMvp
Anyways this fired up South and Mikey trade one blow before they then exchange a barrage of blows with Mikey absolutely destroying South without him even being able to realize the amount of damage he's taken in the brief but quick exchange with Mikey fully dominating
https://imgur.com/a/a2CD4PU
https://imgur.com/a/964Tsqe
This scaling chain fits narratively from the battles of the 3 deities and speedwise from the way this went but here it is
Casual South<Waka and Benkei~Senju< South giving into his dark impulses(upon realizing he could be beaten in his battle) <Senju after realizing her potential<Fired up South<<<Dark Impulse Mikey<<Serious Mikey
With this I'd say it's pretty clear Mikey is above them in speed and just on this scale in general
Again though this same Mikey was willing to take hits from Kakucho without caring much and pretty blatantly didn't really care with South either as he dominated him completely and was slowly beating him to death as he lay on the ground post their fight
Mikey in his fight with Izana fought much more seriously and harder with Izana with everything he had basically while he's clearly dominating here without even a question to his victory, south's strength or the fact that he's going to kill South. Mikey's portrayed as being pretty disconnected and casual here post draken's death which some characters even question as they figure he'd be more fired up and pissed about it
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Absolutely yes to the latter. Mikey didn’t care about defending himself at all.
If we look at it this way I think it’ll make more sense for us not to scale south to Mikey. Izana preformed this feat in a last ditch effort type of scenario. This feat scales to mikey and Izana at their absolute peak. To get scaling you need to show a relativity to full power Mikey or Izana. Not a one punch showcasing against a mentally destroyed mikey who isn’t even protecting himself. Not to mention how that argument gets ripped to shreds when South literally gets blitzfucked in the next pages. A blitz so bad that South actually thought it was a even fight when he himself was close to dead.
Also a note: South states his strength is on par, that is actually probably somewhat true for physical strength. If we take that statement as true then it would mean Mikey almost killed South in the first exchange by landing far more hits than South could land, showing us Mikey is stupidly faster than South.
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I don't think fired up South is faster than Senju. Well I guess he could be, but I would rather say that Senju was just surprised and wasn't expecting South to take her attacks without barely taking any damage (as he was knocked down before) and that's how South was able to punch her. Senju's reaction in this panel supports that as well.
Dark impulses Mikey who fought against South is stronger than Mikey who fought against Izana, and here is why:
Mikey when he fought Izana was mentally drained due to Emma's death and he had to fight like that. He also didn't really wanted to fight Izana and obviously didn't wanted to kill him either (he actually wanted to save Izana), but Mikey still fought with all his strength he had available even tho he was mentally drained + didn't had the intent to kill.
Now against South before the dark impulses took him over he was mentally drained this time as well because of Draken's death, and true he didn't wanted to fight but that all changed when the dark impulses took him over. The dark impulses kind of just removed the mentally drained effect from him and also him not wanting to fight, as the only thing he can think of in that state is destruction. He fought South without having any issues that would hold him back and now he also had the intent to kill.
So I think its obvious that dark impulse Mikey who has nothing holding him back and has the intent to kill is stronger than a Mikey who is mentally drained and doesn't have the intent to kill.
I wanted to talk about more stuff also comparing Izana and South but right now I have to go so I will continue tomorrow.
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This just supports that even a nerfed Mikey could contend with the other strongest character in the series and fully scales so it's not an anti-feat
Yeah no one's said nerfed Mikey from this point in time is stronger so this entire point you're trying to argue doesn't really matter or hold up
Dark Impulse Mikey< Serious Mikey is what was said
Still not an anti-feat and was still done pretty casually as I showed and explained
Mikey literally already defeated south in that barrage and went for the kill when he collapsed beating him slowly as I explained and having the intent to kill doesn't mean he has to go all out as he clearly isn't he pretty casually stomped South without even really batting an eye or even a hint of worry fully taking his hits even all while it's presented that Mikey is wholly disconnected and distant giving to his dark impulses casually taking him out
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I'm inclined to get staff opinions at this point since you're not really arguing anything new and this will continue to be circular trying to reason
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Thought you meant the Mikey who fought Izana under serious Mikey because of your last sentence. But anyways we never seen a serious Mikey fight against someone strong so you can't scale him.
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Eh Mikey who fought izuna was serious though even while nerfed he was able to contend but yeah I'm just saying a serious Mikey in general is above his casual dark Impulse self since that's just him kinda ******* away with his mental state and morals allowing him to do stuff he'd never do normally like brutalize takemitchy and murder or just sit and take blows.
But yeah we can still scale his serious self above basically everyone since we know he's strongest it still is applicable via power scaling as we have a baseline of what we can use
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I also wanted to prove how South is stronger and better than Izana in almost every way so that's also a reason why I started scaling the two Mikeys.
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Ah okay gotcha well still in that case they'd just upscale(Mikey and South) if you can present your reasoning on that well enough but yeah either way it goes whether it be
Peak South< Peak Izuna < Peak Mikey
Or
Peak Izuna< Peak South< Peak Mikey
Mikey would still scale to the hypersonic+ value even also if you consider him to be relative to thier peaks instead of outright superior how it's presented and what with the narrative
So on this can we agree?
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Since this isn’t going anywhere soon I thought of a conclusion I think we all can agree on .
We can downscale south, senju, and more top tiers to baseline hypersonic. With a “possibly or likely” this makes it so Mikey is still much faster than south/top tiers but still acknowledges that they can show semi relativity to god tiers.
it could be “At least subsonic (faster than angry who could move FTE) possibly hypersonic ( showed comparability with Mikey although losing shortly after)
Thoughts?
We can downscale south, senju, and more top tiers to baseline hypersonic. With a “possibly or likely” this makes it so Mikey is still much faster than south/top tiers but still acknowledges that they can show semi relativity to god tiers.
it could be “At least subsonic (faster than angry who could move FTE) possibly hypersonic ( showed comparability with Mikey although losing shortly after)
Thoughts?
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Problem with that is that we'd still need variable tiers(not for everyone) at least in terms of speed since some characters as they have casual and serious speeds they usually fight at or say for example in South's case when he's fired up and giving into his urges he blitz both Waka, Benkei, and land blows on Senju who was blitzing him prior (when she realized her potential) to him being fired up
I do agree with the compromise if nothing goes through for just the god tiers though I'm just saying a way for this to work
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Yeah I noticed that issue as well.
other characters could be solved with a “higher with x amp”
I think with south it could be something like possibly hypersonic when at his peak rage or wtv.
other characters could be solved with a “higher with x amp”
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Yeah that's fine just gotta make a good enough justification which we have if we're downscaling them though I think we at least need to attempt to get some other feats calc'd to try and scale other Mid to High tiers to make this more accurate
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Yeah If somebody can try and accurately calc the draken bullet feat that’ll help tremendously with scaling. I’ll try to see if any other feats I’ve missed could have good/helpful results.
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That would honestly be for the best
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Basically if we do the compromise
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He'd just be baseline hypersonic+ instead of scaling the value of the calc
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I'll send scans but it looks that way
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The guy aims at takemitchy(with 3 other guys being there as well mind you)
3 shots are fired at Michi
Draken ofc has to step in the way(of said shots for him to die as he did from them
After the shots are fired we see a streak in the next panel showing draken attacked the shooter and we see the gun fall to the ground
Thus we have the full sequence of events and the distance the shooter was from takemitchy
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At the very least we can get the muzzle velocity of the gun the distance the shooter is from takemitchy and kinda calc how fast draken would need to be to get in front of the bullets after they're fired from that distance and kinda see how much distance from the panel draken would've traveled to intercept
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220 and the distance shot comes from the start of 221 with the guy being knocked out who shot a michi
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So that's the katakana for
Do so
ドソ
Assuming it's an onomatopoeia for the shots
Haven't really done japanese fully since I've been there a few years ago so apologies I can't help more
Do so
ドソ
Assuming it's an onomatopoeia for the shots
Haven't really done japanese fully since I've been there a few years ago so apologies I can't help more
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Thank you for the help.
I can calculate the feat, but it's like something is missing. because the starting point for the Draken to stand was not shown, he was suddenly in front of it.
If I calculate only what I see in the panel it will make the result too low(which should be higher)
do you have a solution for the starting point for the Draken to start moving? otherwise it looks like we'll just get a lower result(which should be higher)
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I'd say contact a calc member and explain it to them
Draken had to at least get there there FTE since literally in the same panel they only see Takemitchy and Senju and immediately shoot
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