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Tokyo Revengers Upgrade Hypersonic+ Speed

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Can somebody explain each side of the arguments here so far in an easy to understand manner please?
Eh the arguements are pretty long it's mostly all the second page but

On one side it's decided only Mikey and Izana only scale to hypersonic+ as they're both the god tiers of the series and the other thinks that more than just that should scale though the arguements have been pretty circular so if possible a full review and consensus would be good


Although we did make a compromise with this
At least subsonic(justifications), at most possibly hypersonic+ at peak (justifications).
 
I propose giving South “At least Subsonic, at most Hypersonic+ with Dark Impulses”

Senju would likely get “At least Subsonic, possibly Hypersonic+ at her peak”
 
At least Subsonic, at most Hypersonic+ with Dark Impulses
South was amped twice he was at first under dark impulses then got fired up on top of that. That aside he shouldn't out right scale he'd still maintain a possibly at most not an solid hypersonic+ since he was stuff blitzed by Mikey. Senju should be fine
 
Eh the arguements are pretty long it's mostly all the second page but

On one side it's decided only Mikey and Izana only scale to hypersonic+ as they're both the god tiers of the series and the other thinks that more than just that should scale though the arguements have been pretty circular so if possible a full review and consensus would be good


Although we did make a compromise with this
Looks like we're going to take the decision to make a compromise by downscale South&Senju until there's a better feat for South and the other Top Tiers above Subsonic and below Mikey & Izana, as you can see this thread has even reached 3 Pages and some staff have already arrived.

Discussion Results for scaling:

Izana : Hypersonic+ at its peak

Upscaling
:
Mikey : Hypersonic+ at its peak

Downscaling
:
South : At Least Subsonic, At Most Possibly Hypersonic+ at its peak
Senju : At Least Subsonic, At Most Possibly Hypersonic+ at its peak

Now it's up to the staff to decide if it's worth it or not
 
Looks like we're going to take the decision to make a compromise by downscale South&Senju until there's a better feat for South and the other Top Tiers above Subsonic and below Mikey & Izana, as you can see this thread has even reached 3 Pages and some staff have already arrived.

Discussion Results for scaling:

Izana : Hypersonic+ at its peak

Upscaling
:
Mikey : Hypersonic+ at its peak

Downscaling
:
South : At Least Subsonic, At Most Possibly Hypersonic+ at its peak
Senju : At Least Subsonic, At Most Possibly Hypersonic+ at its peak

Now it's up to the staff to decide if it's worth it or not
That scaling certainly doesn't seem ideal to me but if there are going to be more feats above Subsonic in the future that will make this less awkward, then I can see this as a temporary solution for the scaling. I'm not sure how other staff members would view this though.
 
That scaling certainly doesn't seem ideal to me but if there are going to be more feats above Subsonic in the future that will make this less awkward, then I can see this as a temporary solution for the scaling. I'm not sure how other staff members would view this though.
Could just scaling Mikey and Izana's reactions to hypersonic+ work while keeping the combat speed at at least Subsonic for being able to blitz the high tiers of the cast?
 
So until now Joshpiece is still looking for a feat that is likely to have a bigger result than Subsonic? That's why he hasn't appeared here yet?
No I’ve just been busy and didn’t really feel like arguing in a circle.

From what I’ve read ig my compromise has been mostly agreed on for now until we can calc draken’s feat.

Upscaling :
Mikey : Hypersonic+ at its peak
Why would mikey be upscaling?
Could just scaling Mikey and Izana's reactions to hypersonic+ work while keeping the combat speed at at least Subsonic for being able to blitz the high tiers of the cast?
Since izana did the feat as travel speed/combat speed. I see no reason to only put it as reactions. A better option would just be to rule it an outlier if we are questioning the consistency. I have no problem with agreeing with outlier
 
What are the conclusions here so far? I stopped receiving automatic notifications from this thread.
 
What low end result is gonna yield by calculating Draken's speed feat? Can we get at least supersonic+ from it?
I even doubt it can be calculated due to the lack of scenes showing the starting point of the Draken starting his movement
 
What are the conclusions here so far? I stopped receiving automatic notifications from this thread.
Mikey & Izana will be scaled to Hypersonic+ at its peak with the reason that Mikey is able to show his comparability with Izana when serious, even Mikey was ahead at the end against Izana, and also Mikey is truly described as a God with the nickname "Invincible".

South & Senju will for now be given an "At Most Possibly Hypersonic+" rating until we find a solution to calculate Draken's feat (which we think will result in a higher score than Subsonic but lower than Hypersonic+ Mikey & Izana), the core problem is South & Senju must be above Subsonic but not as fast as Hypersonic+, therefore Draken's feat would be very helpful if it could be calculated/similar, we compromised "At Most Possibly Hypersonic+" for South & Senju.
 
Mikey & Izana will be scaled to Hypersonic+ at its peak with the reason that Mikey is able to show his comparability with Izana when serious, even Mikey was ahead at the end against Izana, and also Mikey is truly described as a God with the nickname "Invincible".

South & Senju will for now be given an "At Most Possibly Hypersonic+" rating until we find a solution to calculate Draken's feat (which we think will result in a higher score than Subsonic but lower than Hypersonic+ Mikey & Izana), the core problem is South & Senju must be above Subsonic but not as fast as Hypersonic+, therefore Draken's feat would be very helpful if it could be calculated/similar, we compromised "At Most Possibly Hypersonic+" for South & Senju.
How about you make estimations of Draken's starting point like half a meter or 1 meter and divide the results into low end, mid end and high end? It is up for the calc member what end will they choose.
 
we find a solution to calculate Draken's feat (which we think will result in a higher score than Subsonic but lower than Hypersonic+ Mikey & Izana)
I would talk to a cgm or maybe make a thread to discuss an acceptable lowball for his starting distance
 
If someone finishes Draken's speed calc with a result of supersonic+ that is accepted, this can work.

South Terano - At least Supersonic+ (insert input) up to Hypersonic when Fired Up (insert input)
 
If someone finishes Draken's speed calc with a result of supersonic+ that is accepted, this can work.

South Terano - At least Supersonic+ (insert input) up to Hypersonic when Fired Up (insert input)
Where did the Hypersonic come from? South should be under Mikey & Izana but too slow on Subsonic, so Draken's feat will be very helpful because the result will most likely be above Subsonic but below Hypersonic+.
 
Where did the Hypersonic come from? South should be under Mikey & Izana but too slow on Subsonic, so Draken's feat will be very helpful because the result will most likely be above Subsonic but below Hypersonic+.
Wait why would south not scale as a high tier? He got speed boost for both amps tagged both benkei and waka, then tagged senju at her peak when he was fired up
 
Wait why would south not scale as a high tier? He got speed boost for both amps tagged both benkei and waka, then tagged senju at her peak when he was fired up
Like Supersonic+, Higher with AMP? Agree for that, but not sure with Supersonic+, Up to Hypersonic
 
If draken's calc get accepted then the difference between Izana's calc and his own will be by

4782.81913÷937.5. = 5.1 times (shortened the decimal value a bit not that it matters)

This would narratively make plenty of sense if Mikey is 5.1 times faster than those who scale to draken's feat as he can still blitz them. (that gap is actually still pretty big but it is a low end and that should be considered into this)

Hypersonic
Downscaling doesn't work like this (you'd need to justify the hypersonic rating), the tiering should still be hypersonic+ he'd just scale to it's (the hypersonic+ tierings) baseline speed since we're considering him to be possibly at most hypersonic+ which would still be 1.3944079 times away from Mikey's speed so yeah.

I'm fine with it either way
 
Downscaling doesn't work like this (you'd need to justify the hypersonic rating), the tiering should still be hypersonic+ he'd just scale to it's (the hypersonic+ tierings) baseline speed since we're considering him to be possibly at most hypersonic+ which would still be 1.3944079 times away from Mikey's speed so yeah.

I'm fine with it either way
I already understand the Downscaling system, but from the beginning our goal was to calculate Draken's feat because downscaling South&Senju to the bottom of Hypersonic+ looks too high and if leaving it in Subsonic is too low, the result of Draken's calculations will replace Hypersonic+ South & Senju because that value is too high and a short distance between the base of Hypersonic+ and Hypersonic+ Mikey&Izana, considering Mikey really bombarded the South. South & Senju will take the scaling of the Draken feat result(if it can be calculated) only, not by downscale it to Hypersonic+ base again(because it's only a compromise if we don't have a solution for Draken feat)

Just 1.39× difference? it doesn't really match with Mikey really bombarding the South, a difference of 5.1× or more would be better for Mikey really bombarding the South.
 
I already understand the Downscaling system, but from the beginning our goal was to calculate Draken's feat because downscaling South&Senju to the bottom of Hypersonic+ looks too high and if leaving it in Subsonic is too low, the result of Draken's calculations will replace Hypersonic+ South & Senju because that value is too high and a short distance between the base of Hypersonic+ and Hypersonic+ Mikey&Izana, considering Mikey really bombarded the South. South & Senju will take the scaling of the Draken feat result(if it can be calculated) only, not by downscale it to Hypersonic+ base again(because it's only a compromise if we don't have a solution for Draken feat)

Just 1.39× difference? it doesn't really match with Mikey really bombarding the South, a difference of 5.1× or more would be better for Mikey really bombarding the South.
As I said I'm fine either way
This would narratively make plenty of sense if Mikey is 5.1 times faster than those who scale to draken's feat as he can still blitz them. (that gap is actually still pretty big but it is a low end and that should be considered into this)
If we just scale him to the supersonic and higher with his amps then it'd still technically lessen the speed gap but yeah they obviously just wouldn't be so relative to each other

We don't need the compromise since we have the draken calc all we need is for it to be blogged and evaluated
 
If we just scale him to the supersonic and higher with his amps then it'd still technically lessen the speed gap but yeah they obviously just wouldn't be so relative to each other
I think South in the fight against Mikey was South at its peak.

If Draken's feat could be calculated, it would make South At Least Subsonic, Supersonic+ at its peak(Amp)

Higher at its peak(Amp)
was converted to Supersonic+ at its peak(Amp) , that's what I thought of South when it was at its peak.
 
I think South in the fight against Mikey was South at its peak.

If Draken's feat could be calculated, it would make South At Least Subsonic, Supersonic+ at its peak(Amp)

Higher at its peak(Amp)
was converted to Supersonic+ at its peak(Amp) , that's what I thought of South when it was at its peak.
Or I think Supersonic+, Higher at its peak(Amp) seems fine. Rather than downscale it to the base Hypersonic+ which is only 1.39× it doesn't make much sense.
 
Or I think Supersonic+, Higher at its peak(Amp) seems fine. Rather than downscale it to the base Hypersonic+ which is only 1.39× it doesn't make much sense.
Well, this is the only one that is the most consistent if Draken's feat can be calculated, I think.
 
Mikey & Izana will be scaled to Hypersonic+ at its peak with the reason that Mikey is able to show his comparability with Izana when serious, even Mikey was ahead at the end against Izana, and also Mikey is truly described as a God with the nickname "Invincible".

South & Senju will for now be given an "At Most Possibly Hypersonic+" rating until we find a solution to calculate Draken's feat (which we think will result in a higher score than Subsonic but lower than Hypersonic+ Mikey & Izana), the core problem is South & Senju must be above Subsonic but not as fast as Hypersonic+, therefore Draken's feat would be very helpful if it could be calculated/similar, we compromised "At Most Possibly Hypersonic+" for South & Senju.
Okay. That is probably fine to apply then, if the rest of you have no serious objections to it.
 
Okay. That is probably fine to apply then, if the rest of you have no serious objections to it.
Thanks for the evaluation, obviously Mikey & Izana will scale it.

We are looking for a solution for South & Senju with Draken feat (if that can be calculated), because At Most Possibly Hypersonic+ for South&Senju is only a compromise if there is no solution for Draken feat.

So we can add Hypersonic+ to Mikey & Izana's profile now?
 
Thanks for the evaluation, obviously Mikey & Izana will scale it.

We are looking for a solution for South & Senju with Draken feat (if that can be calculated), because At Most Possibly Hypersonic+ for South&Senju is only a compromise if there is no solution for Draken feat.

So we can add Hypersonic+ to Mikey & Izana's profile now?
Yes you can add the hypersonic+ to the Mikey and izana now


Well I'd say let's her @Nehz_XZX final thoughts I think considering the draken calc
 
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