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Tokyo Revengers Speed Calcs Conclusion

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MysticCarnage said:
@Arnoldstone18


.2 makes no sense my friend, its stupid to think that you can blitz someone from 5 metres moving at 25 m/s lol
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We don't even know the px scales distance yet its bare minimum 5m more likely than not around 7-12m which would superhuman movement still even if we use 0.13s it'd peak around a little over baseline subsonic between these distances but you know what **** I'll give ya some leeway and say these are delinquent gang members who go around fighting people so I'll just say they're randoms
 
I wonder why whenever someone is banned from the TR topic, there always seems to be new accounts coming in, all looking similar.

But I'll just keep that question to myself for now because I don't want to digress too much. I only know that they will never give up and won't listen to anyone.

Tbh, I think you are wasting your time. Please create a thread for the Staff to summarize the results and only invite supporters who genuinely believe there is no real issue. Continuing this argument will just retrace the same old path, buddy.
 
Zefra3011 said:
EDIT: I feel like this feat doesn't go anywhere with taking it as a blitz ( with 10 m is just 50 m/s)
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Okay **** it lets just assume he does do this with the bullet then we have this here, use the shot here to angsize this and use the 1.591537192725 m distance you got for draken

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Draken saves Takemichi from bullets but with fewer assumptions

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This should be a decent compromise so we'll have draken at whatever supersonic result you get and Mikey at Mach 1.6

No calcs are near hypersonic and these are the only two that remotely work I don't think anyone can complain there
 
Dalesean027 said:
Okay **** it lets just assume he does do this with the bullet then we have this here, use the shot here to angsize this and use the 1.591537192725 m distance you got for draken

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Draken saves Takemichi from bullets but with fewer assumptions

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This should be a decent compromise so we'll have draken at whatever supersonic result you get and Mikey at Mach 1.6

No calcs are near hypersonic and these are the only two that remotely work I don't think anyone can complain there
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Dale my friend why did you bring this thread on yourself? I mean it was about time for the verse to be cleaned out but man props to you. Also this should have been a staff discussion to avoid the pages. Though from what I got the changes can already go through?
 
Serlock_Holmes said:
Dale my friend why did you bring this thread on yourself? I mean it was about time for the verse to be cleaned out but man props to you. Also this should have been a staff discussion to avoid the pages. Though from what I got the changes can already go through?
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Yes the verse can technically already be downgraded and the decisions from staff on these calcs arosss like every thread are unanimously against this shit cause its ass and half of them break wiki rules or aren't even the feats they say they are. Like I'm trying to help but helping isn't gonna be me wanking and if I don't do it no one will cause this shit is and has been insanely ridiculous.

After this draken one is done and the Mikey calc removes all the extra shit I'll evaluate them and be done with the verse and I'm sure that's the case for all other staff and CGMs
 
Dalesean027 said:
Yes the verse can technically already be downgraded and the decisions from staff on these calcs arosss like every thread are unanimously against this shit cause its ass and half of them break wiki rules or aren't even the feats they say they are. Like I'm trying to help but helping isn't gonna be me wanking and if I don't do it no one will cause this shit is and has been insanely ridiculous.

After this draken one is done and the Mikey calc removes all the extra shit I'll evaluate them and be done with the verse and I'm sure that's the case for all other staff and CGMs
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Won't the same calcs just be used again? From the supporters I mean.
 
Serlock_Holmes said:
Won't the same calcs just be used again? From the supporters I mean.
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Man they've been rejected so many times I think topic banning wouldn't be too far out of the question as some literally already break our standards so shouldn't be pursued anyways
 
Lonkitt said:
Between the thousands of messages that went by between Dale’s @, the generally non-constructive conversations between the supporters, and me not being knowledgeable in the verse…..this is not being made easy for an analysis
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Hey new thread member. That I’ve never seen before.

this verse is kinda bad when it comes to o real discussions. It’s really hard to get anywhere with threads.
 
Lonkitt said:
Between the thousands of messages that went by between Dale’s @, the generally non-constructive conversations between the supporters, and me not being knowledgeable in the verse…..this is not being made easy for an analysis
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So sorry to all the staff I pinged earlier its not you guy's fault for being lost at all this shit is outta hand and I was gonna stop responding here but I tried helping out more I'm waiting on 2 calcs atm to determine the fate of the verse but myself and other CGMs have already given our thoughts on just about every calc over the course of maybe 4 or 5 threads one of which by itself was 11 pages long...and shit hasn't changed and been really contentious still so if this doesn't work out I don't think this verse will have a safe place on the wiki since I'm literally probably the last CGM willing to try with this verse but even I'm on my last straw
 
Dalesean027 said:
So sorry to all the staff I pinged earlier its not you guy's fault for being lost at all this shit is outta hand and I was gonna stop responding here but I tried helping out more I'm waiting on 2 calcs atm to determine the fate of the verse but myself and other CGMs have already given our thoughts on just about every calc over the course of maybe 4 or 5 threads one of which by itself was 11 pages long...and shit hasn't changed and been really contentious still so if this doesn't work out I don't think this verse will have a safe place on the wiki since I'm literally probably the last CGM willing to try with this verse but even I'm on my last straw

I wouldn't mind topic banning this shit atp being honest
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Deleting the verse is again always an option. Or at least just restarting it. Making everyone superhuman or something.
 
Dalesean027 said:
So sorry to all the staff I pinged earlier its not you guy's fault for being lost at all this shit is outta hand and I was gonna stop responding here but I tried helping out more I'm waiting on 2 calcs atm to determine the fate of the verse but myself and other CGMs have already given our thoughts on just about every calc over the course of maybe 4 or 5 threads one of which by itself was 11 pages long...and shit hasn't changed and been really contentious still so if this doesn't work out I don't think this verse will have a safe place on the wiki since I'm literally probably the last CGM willing to try with this verse but even I'm on my last straw
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No need to apologize, none of this is on you and I know you had the best intentions with the summoning

I never would’ve assumed this verse gave CGMs so much trouble. I definitely know now though
 
Lonkitt said:
No need to apologize, none of this is on you and I know you had the best intentions with the summoning

I never would’ve assumed this verse gave CGMs so much trouble. I definitely know now though
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Yeah its pretty notorious but that aside thanks for showing up, without these 2 cslcs im waiting on its already been unanimously agreed upon by staff that the calcs are invalid and the verse should be downgraded so without them then this verse is SOL already however it goes though once this is all figured out with these two calcs I think its safe to apply so I'm not even gonna force it
 
Dalesean027 said:
So sorry to all the staff I pinged earlier its not you guy's fault for being lost at all this shit is outta hand and I was gonna stop responding here but I tried helping out more I'm waiting on 2 calcs atm to determine the fate of the verse but myself and other CGMs have already given our thoughts on just about every calc over the course of maybe 4 or 5 threads one of which by itself was 11 pages long...and shit hasn't changed and been really contentious still so if this doesn't work out I don't think this verse will have a safe place on the wiki since I'm literally probably the last CGM willing to try with this verse but even I'm on my last straw
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No idea if any verse created so many issues despite it's size.
 
Look at this. All these threads have been toxic and plenty of discussion but for some reason nothing happens from them.

 
CorbinMLG said:
Part 7 is still messy.
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Yes, but not for the reasons that would have it be mentioned here.

There exist several statements saying that the speed of their attacks, such as Johnny's nail bullets and Gyro's Steel Balls, vary depending on how "good" the Spin is, the better the spin, the faster the speed basically.

A good example off the top of my head would be when they're fighting Wekapipo and Johnny is like "****, I cant use the golden ratio here, if my spin was better I could attack faster tho", Wrecking Ball Arc.

Act 1 for example? Yeah that actually is bullet speed (give or take depending on the situation), but something like Act 3? Is incomparably faster. The speed even shifts based on if they're doing it within the scale or simply getting better at using Spin.
"Coincidentally", bullets are never once shown as comparable to things beyond Act 1 or Desert Palm Gyro.
Which is to say, Part 7 mfs have a canon "Varies" speed, or at least Johnny and Gyro do.

Dudes like Diego treat bullets and guns as slow and doing feats Dale mentioned above (Diego straight up calls them slow at one point, and moves a fucktillion meters after one is fired at him once).
part 7 is messy though, not due to guns but due to characters scaling between each other, Wekapipo, Diego and D4C all ******* blitz each other at some point, obviously, that has issues. Weka being involved gets fucky too because he's hard-confirmed blitzed by Golden Ratio Gyro or Act 2, who is blitzed by Diego, which then leads back to point 1.

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MysticCarnage said:
0.2 should never be used
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Except in cases involving normal lads.
0.2 is what's used in cases involving normal humans in a normal environment.
Like maybe wank get a bit more out of it by using the average of the average, like 0.165 iirc (KLOL does this shit so shrug), but 0.08 or even the max average you'd need some evidence for.

Dale is correct here, like yeah it could be higher, but you'd need an actual reason for that. Them being goons ain't it, unless I'm missing something, you don't need to be on the upper end to join a gang or handle a gun, even I can do that courtesy of the land of the free.
 
MysticCarnage said:
.2 makes no sense my friend, its stupid to think that you can blitz someone from 5 metres moving at 25 m/s lol
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If you aren't ready for it, yeah actually, that's fair. That's only 1/5th of a second my dude.
A normal person ain't gonna have time to block, dodge, or whatever if a dude is suddenly up their ass in less than 1/5th of a second, because the timeframe this occurs in is, you guessed it, 0.2 seconds.
man I missed a whole page 3, how'd this happen
 
Okay so, I'm going to lay out my arguments, I hope the other supporters can do the same

Izana saves Kakucho from bullets:
The main argument is "we don't know when Izana began running"

Izana had no conscious intentions of saving Kakucho, so there is no reason for him to move from where he was just seconds ago. His body moved on its own after seeing the first bullet being shot. His subconscious feelings likely just gave his body the command to save Kakucho in the quickest way possible. Izana moving before the shot would most likely mean he made a conscious decision, but that's not the case, he literally had a mental breakdown and he doesn't care about the situation, and he said that his body moved on its own, indicating his actions are triggered by something, and here the most obvious answer would be the gun being fired. If it was auditory stimulus, Izana WOULD BE protecting Kakucho at the time Kisaki said "Kakucho, you're in my way you bastard", and he was already pointing his gun towards Kakucho there. There is more arguments on my part here but I will wait


Draken saves Takemitchi from bullets:
Draken was no where near Takemichi, we know he came from the left side of Takemichi, the argument that its an outlier is a big one and an odd one, I presume that its a joke because I've seen verses like Spy x family go from 1000 m/s to 11000 m/s and from wall level to city block level (LOL), either way we know that Draken saved Takemichi after the bullets were fired in order of the panels, so 1700 m/s makes sense, Outlier makes no sense however, Right now there is like 7 hypersonic TR calcs, the verse is very easily above supersonic+ and likely in the hypersonic+ ranges, your saying its an outlier because characters constantly face bullets ect but it makes no sense, there are many verses that face bullets are are still considered to be this fast, but I will explain why again

Argument of "people state guns to be dangerous", of course guns are dangerous my guy, there piercing damage can scale to even city block level characters lol, a character stating a gun is dangerous is really because if it lands it will cause serious damage

Argument of why Izana pulls out a gun on Mikey, Izana pulls a gun out on Mikey because of his mental state, he's desperate and wants to kill Mikey but he knows he can't do it, he's in a weak and desperate state so he pulls the gun out on Mikey in hopes that it lands, Its not a case of he knows it will land, he's desperate and will do anything, Mikey though shouts at Izana, Mikey wouldn't be shouting at a person who he knows mentally is not okay and wants to kill him if he was slower then bullets why would Mikey taunt Izana to shoot, Izana is faster then bullets but uses a gun because he's in a weak state and knows he cant hurt Mikey so the gun is the next best thing since if it lands by a miracle, Mikey will lose
 
MysticCarnage said:
I presume that its a joke because I've seen verses like Spy x family go from 1000 m/s to 11000 m/s and from wall level to city block level (LOL)
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Don't bring up other verses at this point.
I ain't even a SXF goon i live it through becky tho but even this had a lot of caveats, and ended up only scaling to the god tier who's so far beyond everyone else it's a joke.
And then it got rejected anyway and Yor is currently only 9-B.

Something being an outlier might have many reasons for being the case, not just big number jump.
 
Reading through the comments, I guess we should all agree that they would only scale to peak-superhuman because Mikey, the strongest character in the series can't chase Kisaki's bike.
 
MorrisHatesYou said:
Reading through the comments, I guess we should all agree that they would only scale to peak-superhuman because Mikey, the strongest character in the series can't chase Kisaki's bike.
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Yeah, They should also scale to street level because Draken started bleeding after getting hit with a baseball bat, makes sense !!
 
Chariot190 said:
Don't bring up other verses at this point.
I ain't even a SXF goon i live it through becky tho but even this had a lot of caveats, and ended up only scaling to the god tier who's so far beyond everyone else it's a joke.
And then it got rejected anyway and Yor is currently only 9-B.

Something being an outlier might have many reasons for being the case, not just big number jump.
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Well the outlier here I explained why it ain't a outlier
 
oh and btw @Zefra3011 I let your Senju argument slide because I had to re-read, YOUR JOKING WITH ME MY GUY

Senju Couldn't save Takemichi, it wasn't possible because Takemichi jumped on top of her lol, my guy your trolling me
 
Clout5560 said:
Look at this. All these threads have been toxic and plenty of discussion but for some reason nothing happens from them.

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This has become "toxic "simply because after bringing more than 7 CGMs and 2 Mod threads to confirm that the calculations are not usable we are still here trying to justify calculations that should not exist. Here more than toxicity we are talking about insanity on the part of certain supporters
 
Reading through the comments, I guess we should all agree that they would only scale to peak-superhuman because Mikey, the strongest character in the series can't chase Kisaki's bike.
Fr bro. This verse gets speed blitz my new BMW
 
MysticCarnage said:
oh and btw @Zefra3011 I let your Senju argument slide because I had to re-read, YOUR JOKING WITH ME MY GUY

Senju Couldn't save Takemichi, it wasn't possible because Takemichi jumped on top of her lol, my guy your trolling me
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Since you are at least 3 times as fast of a projectile as you claim the verse could safely dodge Take is save both being a God tier of the verse has the strength to fling him many feet. Zefra's point I think is the nonsense that given the speed of calculations that even verse God tiers are afraid of guns without ever having shown a feat of "dodging" on them, which should come easy to them. I think this is it, but I don't want to venture on words that are not mine
 
Antvasima said:
Hello.

Given that the other speed changes for this verse were reverted, should the following edit be undone as well?

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Manjiro_Sano?type=revision&diff=8087050&oldid=8087049
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I don't understand the reason for reinstating the changes when in 2 hours ( If I am not mistaken) the 2 days needed to apply the changes have passed. If you want to be fiscal we will redo the procedure according to established timetable. Yes, Mikey's page has also been changed
 
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Okay. Zefra undid all of the other TR speed changes though.
 
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