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The End All Be All of Fire Force Revision Threads!

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Antvasima said:
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Please call my staff members, preferably thread mods and Admins.
This is like the 5th thread trying to get Universal FF and I am actually tired of arguing them over and over again
DarkDragonMedeus said:
Could I get a TLDR summary of the proposed topic?
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I should note, That this is all the premise of the Opposition agianst this
1. The context has always been earth when referring to Adolla, and "earth" and "world" has always been used interchangeably all through FIre Force
2. Adolla is majorly Reality warping and just bringing to pass the thoughts of the majority
3. Reality warping does not scale to AP
4.There is no proof of Adolla merging with the universe
5. We saw the size of Adolla in the end and it was just something less bigger than Earth but the OP claims the Adolla is universal in size.
6. We saw the end of the Great Cataclysm the one the OP claims would cause Adolla to merge with the universe, it was simply earth and not the universe. As Adolla merging with anything is supposed to set the thing on fire, but in the end it was just earth that was burning and not the universe.
7. The Purpose of the Great cataclysm is to turn the planet into another sun and not to destroy the universe as the OP claims would imply.
8. The sun from fire force was made from adolla merging with a planet and hence it became a sun, which is what the white clads wants for the current earth also, they want adolla to merge with the current earth and also turn it into a sun
9. I cannot emphasize this enough, we saw the end of adolla merging and it was just the planet burning and the death of all mankind. If we did not see this, maybe we could open it up to interpretation, but we saw what happened.

I think this is all the posts of the oppositions against this, the first one has all the relevant scans
First, Second, Third, Fourth, and Fifth
 
Pain_to12 said:
Please call my staff members, preferably thread mods and Admins.
This is like the 5th thread trying to get Universal FF and I am actually tired of arguing them over and over again
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Just cause it was rejected in the past doesn’t make the current proposition wrong. This was said at the very beginning of the thread.
Pain_to12 said:
I should note, That this is all the premise of the Opposition agianst this
1. The context has always been earth when referring to Adolla, and "earth" and "world" has always been used interchangeably all through FIre Force
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Objectively wrong. Here are multiple, multiple, and multiple, and even more multiple instances of “world” being used as “universe” here.

“World” can mean “planet” depending on the statement. But consistently it has been used to refer to the “universe” in Fire Force.
Pain_to12 said:
2. Adolla is majorly Reality warping and just bringing to pass the thoughts of the majority
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Adolla’s reality warping is changing the very physics of reality to match human perception as is what happened to the moon as well as the stars too. Hell it’s how the entire universe went from 3D to 2D in the first place
Pain_to12 said:
3. Reality warping does not scale to AP
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You didn’t even explain anything here. You just asserted your position to be true. Explain why it wouldn’t scale to AP when the reality warping itself is done through a physical merger.
Pain_to12 said:
4.There is no proof of Adolla merging with the universe
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Literally the Great Cataclysm is brought up through Adolla merging with the real world and as we can see this merger extends to the whole universe as the entire universe is being completely changed from art-styles through Adolla merging with it.
Pain_to12 said:
5. We saw the size of Adolla in the end and it was just something less bigger than Earth but the OP claims the Adolla is universal in size.
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We literally do not and have never been told Adolla’s scope is only the size of the planet. Your notion also gets completely debunked by the fact that even when it says the GC has been completed, we still see star shaped blocks all over the background of the burning planet as well as the moon and the other sun that was also created through another GC. Debunking your notion that Adolla is only merging with the planet as the reality warping extends far outside just “the planet.”
Pain_to12 said:
6. We saw the end of the Great Cataclysm the one the OP claims would cause Adolla to merge with the universe, it was simply earth and not the universe. As Adolla merging with anything is supposed to set the thing on fire, but in the end it was just earth that was burning and not the universe.
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Can you prove the bolded part? Because this claim is totally unsubstantiated on your part. Adolla objectively merges with the moon too and it isn’t set on fire, neither are the block shaped stars Adolla reality warps. Also we saw the end of the Great Cataclysm and we literally see reality being 2D when it was originally 3D as well as star shaped blocks in the very background of the image of when it’s said the cataclysm was completed proving without a shadow of a doubt that the merger is with the wide spread universe and not just the planet as the planet wasn’t the only thing that was reality warped.

The planet being engulfed in flames is meant to kill all humans but that doesn’t equate to Adolla not merging with the universe as well. Those are two separate claims.
Pain_to12 said:
7. The Purpose of the Great cataclysm is to turn the planet into another sun and not to destroy the universe as the OP claims would imply.
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These aren’t mutually exclusive claims towards one another. Literally both can exist at the same time and as we saw the purpose of the cataclysm is to straight up rewrite the rules across the entire universe to bring about an end to humanity.

The planet is turning into flames because humanity is desiring death and the universe is being reality warped because Adolla’s merger is causing humanities perception of the universe to actually change the universe on a fundamental level. Those two things aren’t mutually exclusive from one another.
Pain_to12 said:
8. The sun from fire force was made from adolla merging with a planet and hence it became a sun, which is what the white clads wants for the current earth also, they want adolla to merge with the current earth and also turn it into a sun
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Ok….and?
Pain_to12 said:
9. I cannot emphasize this enough, we saw the end of adolla merging and it was just the planet burning and the death of all mankind. If we did not see this, maybe we could open it up to interpretation, but we saw what happened.
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This is objectively false. You understand we still see the star shaped blocks that were reality warped from actual stars in the background right? We see the reality warped moon in the background. We see the universe in 2D style to begin with when it was originally 3D.

If Adolla was only merging with the planet then only the planet would be reality warped. But that’s clearly not the case presented in the series
Pain_to12 said:
I think this is all the posts of the oppositions against this, the first one has all the relevant scans
First, Second, Third, Fourth, and Fifth
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I have responded to each post here(1), here(2), here(3), here(4), and here(5).

Other users have also brought up completely separate universal ability related feats here and here as well. So the notion of Adolla only merging with the planet and not the universe is totally unfounded.
 
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Maitreya said:
Just cause it was rejected in the past doesn’t make the current proposition wrong. This was said at the very beginning of the thread.

Objectively wrong. Here are multiple, multiple, and multiple, and even more multiple instances of “world” being used as “universe” here.

“World” can mean “planet” depending on the statement. But consistently it has been used to refer to the “universe” in Fire Force.

Adolla’s reality warping is changing the very physics of reality to match human perception as is what happened to the moon as well as the stars too. Hell it’s how the entire universe went from 3D to 2D in the first place

You didn’t even explain anything here. You just asserted your position to be true. Explain why it wouldn’t scale to AP when the reality warping itself is done through a physical merger.

Literally the Great Cataclysm is brought up through Adolla merging with the real world and as we can see this merger extends to the whole universe as the entire universe is being completely changed from art-styles through Adolla merging with it.

We literally do not and have never been told Adolla’s scope is only the size of the planet. Your notion also gets completely debunked by the fact that even when it says the GC has been completed, we still see star shaped blocks all over the background of the burning planet as well as the moon and the other sun that was also created through another GC. Debunking your notion that Adolla is only merging with the planet as the reality warping extends far outside just “the planet.”

Can you prove the bolded part? Because this claim is totally unsubstantiated on your part. Adolla objectively merges with the moon too and it isn’t set on fire, neither are the block shaped stars Adolla reality warps. Also we saw the end of the Great Cataclysm and we literally see reality being 2D when it was originally 3D as well as star shaped blocks in the very background of the image of when it’s said the cataclysm was completed proving without a shadow of a doubt that the merger is with the wide spread universe and not just the planet as the planet wasn’t the only thing that was reality warped.

The planet being engulfed in flames is meant to kill all humans but that doesn’t equate to Adolla not merging with the universe as well. Those are two separate claims.

These aren’t mutually exclusive claims towards one another. Literally both can exist at the same time and as we saw the purpose of the cataclysm is to straight up rewrite the rules across the entire universe to bring about an end to humanity.

The planet is turning into flames because humanity is desiring death and the universe is being reality warped because Adolla’s merger is causing humanities perception of the universe to actually change the universe on a fundamental level. Those two things aren’t mutually exclusive from one another.

Ok….and?

This is objectively false. You understand we still see the star shaped blocks that were reality warped from actual stars in the background right? We see the reality warped moon in the background. We see the universe in 2D style to begin with when it was originally 3D.

If Adolla was only merging with the planet then only the planet would be reality warped. But that’s clearly not the case presented in the series

I have responded to each post here(1), here(2), here(3), here(4), and here(5).

Other users have also brought up completely separate universal ability related feats here and here as well. So the notion of Adolla only merging with the planet and not the universe is totally unfounded.
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I will not bother responding to this, let the mods decide please no need for needless roundabout arguments
 
Dud
Maitreya said:
Just cause it was rejected in the past doesn’t make the current proposition wrong. This was said at the very beginning of the thread.

Objectively wrong. Here are multiple, multiple, and multiple, and even more multiple instances of “world” being used as “universe” here.

“World” can mean “planet” depending on the statement. But consistently it has been used to refer to the “universe” in Fire Force.

Adolla’s reality warping is changing the very physics of reality to match human perception as is what happened to the moon as well as the stars too. Hell it’s how the entire universe went from 3D to 2D in the first place

You didn’t even explain anything here. You just asserted your position to be true. Explain why it wouldn’t scale to AP when the reality warping itself is done through a physical merger.

Literally the Great Cataclysm is brought up through Adolla merging with the real world and as we can see this merger extends to the whole universe as the entire universe is being completely changed from art-styles through Adolla merging with it.

We literally do not and have never been told Adolla’s scope is only the size of the planet. Your notion also gets completely debunked by the fact that even when it says the GC has been completed, we still see star shaped blocks all over the background of the burning planet as well as the moon and the other sun that was also created through another GC. Debunking your notion that Adolla is only merging with the planet as the reality warping extends far outside just “the planet.”

Can you prove the bolded part? Because this claim is totally unsubstantiated on your part. Adolla objectively merges with the moon too and it isn’t set on fire, neither are the block shaped stars Adolla reality warps. Also we saw the end of the Great Cataclysm and we literally see reality being 2D when it was originally 3D as well as star shaped blocks in the very background of the image of when it’s said the cataclysm was completed proving without a shadow of a doubt that the merger is with the wide spread universe and not just the planet as the planet wasn’t the only thing that was reality warped.

The planet being engulfed in flames is meant to kill all humans but that doesn’t equate to Adolla not merging with the universe as well. Those are two separate claims.

These aren’t mutually exclusive claims towards one another. Literally both can exist at the same time and as we saw the purpose of the cataclysm is to straight up rewrite the rules across the entire universe to bring about an end to humanity.

The planet is turning into flames because humanity is desiring death and the universe is being reality warped because Adolla’s merger is causing humanities perception of the universe to actually change the universe on a fundamental level. Those two things aren’t mutually exclusive from one another.

Ok….and?

This is objectively false. You understand we still see the star shaped blocks that were reality warped from actual stars in the background right? We see the reality warped moon in the background. We see the universe in 2D style to begin with when it was originally 3D.

If Adolla was only merging with the planet then only the planet would be reality warped. But that’s clearly not the case presented in the series

I have responded to each post here(1), here(2), here(3), here(4), and here(5).

Other users have also brought up completely separate universal ability related feats here and here as well. So the notion of Adolla only merging with the planet and not the universe is totally unfounded.
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Dude
Don't waste your time just repeating everything.Let the mods come and see through their headcanon
 
Maitreya said:
Yo they weren’t joking when they said the Fire Brigade was with me on this 😭
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I’ve called Dereck, hopefully he comes.

Currently talking to Ultima, I 100% doubt he’ll come but he did say Adolla merging with The World is a 2-C feat based on my questions.

Hmmm.. thinking who else I can call.
 
You should've directed them to the summarized points of the OP as well, not just the opposition. Most if not all of the staff you pinged don't know squat about FF, so at most they can only take Pain's word for it.

@Maitreya could you either repost your summarized points, or remake your points, so that the incoming staff can also see it, that way we can finally finish this up..
 
Ok this is actually going to be my final post on the matter discussing this until more staff evaluation is given. There are two points and I will summarize and provide evidence for each one here:

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Point #1: Adolla’s merge causes the reality warping to occur to the universe.​


Explanation: Adolla is a separate world of ideas of the collective unconscious of humanity. This world of ideas merging with the real world of the fire force universe causes something knows as “The Great Cataclysm.”

This cataclysm is the very thing causing all of the reality warping to occur throughout the fire force universe in the first place.

To prove that this reality warping is done on a universal scale and thus prove the merger is with the whole universe, there are a number of feats and statements directly showcasing this reality warping on the wide spread universe and not just on the localized planet as the opposition claims.

Feat #1: This is a direct alteration of all of reality. The very structure of the world had changed drastically from a 3D real life style into a 2D anime like style. The very rules of the universe were changed and thus the spontaneous human combustion shown in the series of Fire Force was born.

This last cataclysm happened 250 years prior to the stories’ beginning and caused a direct tear in space to form between the two worlds as the merger had not been completed and thus the world of Adolla and the real world remained spatially separated for the time being.

Feat #2: Once more the cataclysm began to range in the world and as we see the result it has on the rest of the universe as the two worlds merge with one another. The very physics of the universe were altered. The stars become little block shaped stars and the moon becomes a smiling, laughing moon just like the one in Soul Eater. (Cause Fire Force is the prequel to the world shown in Soul Eater.) The reality warping shown in the series is due to Adolla’s world making humanities perception of reality come true. Hence why the moon and stars look the way they do as “thought is erupting” as it is described in the scan above.

We directly witness how the moon gets reality warped and the stars follow suit becoming little block shaped stars as Adolla connects and links to the universe. In fact, it’s even directly said the very future of the stars are on the line with the battle to stop Adolla from merging with the world, proving without a shadow of a doubt that, just like the last cataclysm 250 years ago, the entire universe is once again being reality warped and physics beings altered.

Additional Universal Feat: This one is credited to @InfiniteDay who brought up this additional feat shown in the scans of pi becoming solvable thanks to the cataclysm 250 years ago along with spontaneous human combustion forming. Pi being an originally never ending, insolvable mathematical equation turning into a solvable equation that ultimately unlocks and forming the bridge that is able to merge the Adolla world with the real world, is a universal constant and cannot simply be altered just by changing a local “planet’s” physics like the opposition claims is what is only being merged with Adolla and not reality warping the rest of the universe.

Point #2: This scales to stats because Shinra takes down Adolla itself.​


Explanation: Shinra in his very god tier state outclasses the very Evangelist herself casually. The Evangelist is Adolla and the collective unconscious itself given form. It’s the final point of all imagination and culminates in the very concept of despair itself, carrying the very history of humanities despair along with it.

What the Evangelist is, is simply Adolla itself, the collective unconscious given form. It’s holds in all the concepts humanity has thought to of including mathematics, God, Truth, Law, Higher Dimension, World, and Hell. It is consciousness itself given from. At the end of everything it is the very embodiment of despair making up humanities despair throughout the ages.

To even further hammer in this point home, when Haumea fuses herself with the collective unconscious, she directly sees through Adolla and the subconscious of humanity itself. And when she subsequently releases herself from the Evangelist’s grasp, all that’s left in its wake is Adolla itself. Not the Evnagelist, just the very despair culminated in humanity throughout the ages. This very despair is what powers the cataclysm through the concepts and ideas of different emotions culminating into that despair.

This very despair is Adolla incarnate and Shinra casually blows it way with no effort. He directly took down Adolla and the despair it embodies itself. The same Adolla that is physically merging with the Fire Force universe in the first place.

This is why the hax based abilities shown in the series scales to stats, because this reality warping abilities throughout the fire force universe is through the physical merger of Adolla, the world of ideas, and the history of humanities despair, with the real world. And due to the fact that Shinra is taking down Adolla itself and its physical embodiment, these abilities directly scale to the physical stats.

End…..
 
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Current vote count:

Agree: @Maitreya @Arnoldstone18 @CloverDragon03 (agrees with universal range + AP as well) @Deceived3596 (agrees with universal range) @Alexander @InfiniteDay @PowerToScale (agrees with universal range) @narutosage15 @CurrySenpai @Dalesean027 (agrees with universal range + AP as well) @Shmooply @Halkum145 @chosen @SupremeGilgamesh @Shey (agrees with universal range) @Greatsage13th @Zoldyck59 @AKUTO123 @Helestias @Therefir (agrees with universal range) @eliaspower1234 @Damage3245 (agrees with universal range) @ObberGobb @Jasonsith (agrees with universal range) @RoyGundam (agrees with universal range) @Excel616 @TauanVictor (agree with universal range) @DarkDragonMedeus (agreed with universal range + scaling to physical stats as well.) @DemonGodMitchAubin (agrees with everything.)

Neutral: @CloverDragon03 (neutral, leaning towards agree for physical stats) @Deceived3596 (neutral/leaning towards agree on physical stats) @Dalesean027 (neutral, leaning towards agree on physical stats) @RandomGuy2345 @Shey (neutral on physical stats) @PowerToScale (neutral on physical stats) @TauanVictor (neutral on physical stats) @DarkDragonMedeus (neutral, leaning towards agree on scaling to physical stats) @Damage3245 (neutral on physical stats)

Disagree: @Arc7Kuroi @Pain_to12 @ImmortalDread
 
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DemonGodMitchAubin said:
I read only the OP, but I agree the God Tiers should the tier of whatever merging 2 Universes grants you
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Planck69 said:
I mostly read the OP and the last summary but it seems that scaling the god tiers to 2-C is fine with me.
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This are the opposing arguments, the last summary had nothing about the opposing arguments
Pain_to12 said:
Please call my staff members, preferably thread mods and Admins.
This is like the 5th thread trying to get Universal FF and I am actually tired of arguing them over and over again

I should note, That this is all the premise of the Opposition agianst this
1. The context has always been earth when referring to Adolla, and "earth" and "world" has always been used interchangeably all through FIre Force
2. Adolla is majorly Reality warping and just bringing to pass the thoughts of the majority
3. Reality warping does not scale to AP
4.There is no proof of Adolla merging with the universe
5. We saw the size of Adolla in the end and it was just something less bigger than Earth but the OP claims the Adolla is universal in size.
6. We saw the end of the Great Cataclysm the one the OP claims would cause Adolla to merge with the universe, it was simply earth and not the universe. As Adolla merging with anything is supposed to set the thing on fire, but in the end it was just earth that was burning and not the universe.
7. The Purpose of the Great cataclysm is to turn the planet into another sun and not to destroy the universe as the OP claims would imply.
8. The sun from fire force was made from adolla merging with a planet and hence it became a sun, which is what the white clads wants for the current earth also, they want adolla to merge with the current earth and also turn it into a sun
9. I cannot emphasize this enough, we saw the end of adolla merging and it was just the planet burning and the death of all mankind. If we did not see this, maybe we could open it up to interpretation, but we saw what happened.

I think this is all the posts of the oppositions against this, the first one has all the relevant scans
First, Second, Third, Fourth, and Fifth
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