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This is going to be an extensive crt and is probably going to be my last crt. Keep calm and be respectful as always. Please do not derail this thread in any way. Have fun and keep an open mind.
In the Soul Eater verse, both Adolla and Kishin symbolize the culmination of humanity's collective unconscious. But while Adolla represents the fear of death and despair, Kishin embodies pure madness.
Similar to how Haumea fused with the collective unconscious, a suitable host is chosen in the Soul Eater verse to fuse with Kishin. Asura is the first son of Death and the first Kishin.
Adolla and Kishin are the same. This should be known to everyone who participated in the past few Fire Force and Soul Eater revisions.
Adolla encompasses all of these concepts above within itself and many more. These concepts housed within Adolla are entirely independent from the reality they govern because Adolla is a higher dimension (“Ko Jigen - 高次元") that transcends said reality and all the concepts manifested within it.
These concepts manifested in this world based on the collective unconscious of man. Adolla continues to exist after the extermination of humans. This is evident in the fact that humanity has already been destroyed multiple times in the past, along with the rest of reality.
Bugs
In Fire Force, the ancestral origins of insects are relatively unknown. However, it is believed that they must've come from Adolla. The Evangelist created these bugs and some of the Evangelist's creations can be used to lead humanity towards Adolla by causing Spontaneous Human Combustion. The scientist who figured out the origin of bugs was Dr. Giovanni, who performed countless experiments to accomplish his other goal: to draw closer and experience Adolla. Insects came from Adolla.
Hell
Hell, as the name implies, is a place that people could go to after they die. Born from the despair of mankind, Adolla embodies the concept of hell, and thats why it has countless black, eerie flames primed and ready for humanity's destruction.
Truth
Truth refers to the inherent characteristic of correspondence with verifiable facts or the genuine nature of reality. All that can be verifiably true within the verse came from Adolla and The Evangelist. Including humanity itself.
The previous form of humanity was completely destroyed in the last cataclysm and recreated in the Firce Force we see today. Adolla also created humanity.
Law, World, & Mathematics.
Law, World and Mathematics are concepts that come from the world of Adolla. The principles of law reflect and interpret the rules that govern human behavior while bearing resonance with the natural laws governing the world. Mathematics enables humanity to understand and formulate scientific laws. However, The Evangelist plans to use these things that were created by it to destroy humanity. because, in the end, destruction is the ultimate desire of humanity.
Fun Fact: One of the mathematical concepts created and used by the Evangelist to bring humanity closer to destruction is "π". Adolla could even warp the universal concept.
Numbers & Higher Dimensions
Adolla houses the concept of numbers and higher dimensions. To reiterate... In conjunction with the concepts of mathematics, laws, and the world, Adolla created and governs numbers and even higher dimensional axes in reality.
According to multiple translations: "Ko Jigen - 高次元" means Higher Dimension(s).
Adolla is a higher dimension made up of coordinates greater than the set of all real numbers, since it is beyond the manifested concepts of mathematics that must utilize real numbers at the very least to describe the world around them.
The mathemaics present in Fire Force is implied to be similar to irl due to the fact that reality's concepts were akin to ours before the last cataclysm. This includes higher dimensional geometry. However, its possible that this only extends to higher dimensions that deal with real numbers rather than cardinals that that describe things beyond real numbers.
All of this confirms that its a world of human perception containing and being beyond manifestation of concepts in reality like real numbers and geometrical dimensions of real number lines below itself. It's a world that manipulates these geometrical dimensions, upon merging with Reality.
God
The religion shown in the Fire Force world was an idea The Evangelist ingrained into people's minds through the White Clad. The White Clad is a cult that follow orders given by the evangelist, all for the ultimate purpose of leading humanity to destruction. One of those people, Yona, had the ability to shape shift and she turned into the first bishop and the founder of the new religion known as Raffles I. This religion quickly became practiced and widely accepted and the White Clad grew in power as a result as they recruited powerful pyrokinesis users, seek the pillars in preparation of the Great Cataclysm.
The Religion practices the worship of the sun and leads humanity to their annihilation. Thanks to this religion ingrained in everyone's minds, the concept of God was absorbed and reflected in Adolla, which gave the Evangelist the appearance of the God that humanity envisioned.
Even before this new religion, the current humans, and even before the previous Great Cataclysm. Pre-existing Humans had their religions among other things that they believed gave them salvation. They learned from their despair and halted their extermination by having ethics, values, medicine, technology, laws, etc. However, their safety made them more fearful of death, increased their despair, and caused their extermination in the form of the Great Cataclysm.
God did not create humanity, Humanity created God.
Adolla transcends reality entirely, including every concept that exists within it. The concepts within Adolla govern said reality upon completion of the Great Cataclysm. Some of these concepts include numbers, mathematics, history, and even the concept of higher dimensions that pertain to reality.
Adolla is currently accepted to be Low 2-C. However, it's beyond the cosmology, thats a given (Low 1-C). However, do not forget that it manipulates the concept of dimensions, so if it transcends the concepts it displays, then it is possible for it to transcend any number of dimensions arbitrarily stacked against themselves.
Therefore, I propose for Adolla to be "possibly" Tier 1. Based on the narrative and all that i have mentioned here, choose the specific tier Adolla qualifies for with reasons:
I believe the evidence here qualifies for a possible or likely rating.
So far here are the scaling options based on our Tiering System and the status quo of the forum:
"Possibly" Low 1-C: Adolla is a higher dimension beyond reality. In reality, there are higher dimensions compared to humanity's 3-D nature. Adolla fuses with these higher dimensions and replaces it with the fundamental concept of higher dimensions made by humans. The only "higher dimension" shown in Fire Force is 4-D space time continuum, making Adolla's transcendence over the FF cosmology correspond to 5-D in terms of "dimensional" scale as described by our Tiering System.
(Adolla = 1-D*5 = 5-D. Reality = 1-D*4 = 4-D. Adolla + Reality = 1-D*5 = 5-D)
"Possibly" 1-A: Adolla is an inconceivable higher dimension that transcends the concepts, created by humanity, that it houses. One of the concepts Adolla manifested in Reality via The previous Great Cataclysms include but is not limited to "Numbers", "Mathematics" and "Higher Dimension". During the Great Cataclysm (an event that connects Adolla to the real world), Adolla can manifest, affect, and subtract these concepts from Reality. Transcending the manifestation of these concepts ranges from 1-A to 0 because our tiering system is based on mathematics and dimensionality. However, without any explicit or exact showings of how far numbers, mathematics, and higher dimensions go in Fire Force, anything higher than 1-A may be considered NLF to some members of this site in the highest ranking staff position that do not practice "Death to the Author". Therefore, at the very least, Adolla transcends a set of all real numbers, which includes any possible extension of higher dimensions based on real numbers that is shown to be conceivable by Fire Force's humanity and Fire Force's Mathematics. In other words, Adolla, which is a higher dimension beyond whatever humans in the verse can conceive of, should be at least 1-A since I can not prove that humanity can imagine numbers beyond all real numbers.
As described above, Adolla is a higher dimension thats beyond reality and beyond imagination, even though it is a combination of imagination, concepts, and ideation itself. Real numbers are numbers used in mathematics to describe the real world. So logically, in Fire Force, the real numbers are numbers used in their mathematics to describe their reality. Otherwise, mathematics wouldn't exist for physicists, scientists, and engineers. Therefore, Adolla must be a higher dimension made up of coordinates that have all real numbers as merely a subset of much larger set of numbers. (At least Aleph 2).
Adolla is disconnected from Reality, and will one day merge with reality like this:
(Adolla = Aleph 2, Reality = n-D. where n is all real numbers (Aleph 1). Adolla + Reality = Aleph 2)
ADOLLA
Adolla is transcendent realm beyond human understanding. It is simply the culmination of all thoughts, perceptions, ideas, and concepts humanity has thought up over the course of its very history. In other words, it is the collective unconscious of humanity. The Evangelist is a being from Adolla, the collective unconscious, given form. Originally, the final point of the collective unconscious was humanity's extermination due to their despair. In other words, the desire of humanity is death to end their despair from their fear and actions. So the Evangelist took it upon itself to grant the wish of all mankind by sustaining that desire with the help of the White Clad and the concepts The Evangelist creates to govern the world. Some of these concepts include, but are not limited to: Insects, World, Law, Truths, Numbers, Mathematics, Higher Dimensions, Hell and God. These concepts and many more help bring humanity to despair and desire for death as their salvation.
KISHIN
Shinra made the concept of death more intimate in the world by creating a God that embodies said concept, and restoring the destruction of civilization in his own image (A world of Madness). This way, humanity will no longer despair by ultimately thinking about death. However, despair still exists nonetheless, so Shinra put Adolla "to sleep". Adolla was later revived in the form of Kishin in the Soul Eater verse thanks to the despair of the Supreme God of the Soul Eater verse, Death, that Shinra created. The collective unconscious of humanity no longer wanted to die, instead, they ended up yearning for insanity. Madness was at the back of everyone's minds.
In the Soul Eater verse, both Adolla and Kishin symbolize the culmination of humanity's collective unconscious. But while Adolla represents the fear of death and despair, Kishin embodies pure madness.
Similar to how Haumea fused with the collective unconscious, a suitable host is chosen in the Soul Eater verse to fuse with Kishin. Asura is the first son of Death and the first Kishin.
Adolla and Kishin are the same. This should be known to everyone who participated in the past few Fire Force and Soul Eater revisions.
Adolla encompasses all of these concepts above within itself and many more. These concepts housed within Adolla are entirely independent from the reality they govern because Adolla is a higher dimension (“Ko Jigen - 高次元") that transcends said reality and all the concepts manifested within it.
These concepts manifested in this world based on the collective unconscious of man. Adolla continues to exist after the extermination of humans. This is evident in the fact that humanity has already been destroyed multiple times in the past, along with the rest of reality.
Bugs
In Fire Force, the ancestral origins of insects are relatively unknown. However, it is believed that they must've come from Adolla. The Evangelist created these bugs and some of the Evangelist's creations can be used to lead humanity towards Adolla by causing Spontaneous Human Combustion. The scientist who figured out the origin of bugs was Dr. Giovanni, who performed countless experiments to accomplish his other goal: to draw closer and experience Adolla. Insects came from Adolla.
Hell
Hell, as the name implies, is a place that people could go to after they die. Born from the despair of mankind, Adolla embodies the concept of hell, and thats why it has countless black, eerie flames primed and ready for humanity's destruction.
Truth
Truth refers to the inherent characteristic of correspondence with verifiable facts or the genuine nature of reality. All that can be verifiably true within the verse came from Adolla and The Evangelist. Including humanity itself.
The previous form of humanity was completely destroyed in the last cataclysm and recreated in the Firce Force we see today. Adolla also created humanity.
Law, World, & Mathematics.
Law, World and Mathematics are concepts that come from the world of Adolla. The principles of law reflect and interpret the rules that govern human behavior while bearing resonance with the natural laws governing the world. Mathematics enables humanity to understand and formulate scientific laws. However, The Evangelist plans to use these things that were created by it to destroy humanity. because, in the end, destruction is the ultimate desire of humanity.
Fun Fact: One of the mathematical concepts created and used by the Evangelist to bring humanity closer to destruction is "π". Adolla could even warp the universal concept.
Numbers & Higher Dimensions
Adolla houses the concept of numbers and higher dimensions. To reiterate... In conjunction with the concepts of mathematics, laws, and the world, Adolla created and governs numbers and even higher dimensional axes in reality.
According to multiple translations: "Ko Jigen - 高次元" means Higher Dimension(s).
高次元 - Jisho.org
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Meaning of 高次元, こうじげん, koujigen | Japanese Dictionary | JLearn.net
The english translations and meanings for 高次元, こうじげん and koujigen are: high dimension,higher dimensionsjlearn.net
Meaning of 高次元 in Japanese | RomajiDesu Japanese dictionary
高次元, 高次元, こうじげん, koujigen, meaning, definition, Japanese, English, Romajiwww.romajidesu.com
「高次元」の意味や使い方 わかりやすく解説 Weblio辞書
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I also asked a friend for confirmation. Even chatgpt confirms that Ko Jigen means higher dimension.
Adolla is a higher dimension made up of coordinates greater than the set of all real numbers, since it is beyond the manifested concepts of mathematics that must utilize real numbers at the very least to describe the world around them.
The mathemaics present in Fire Force is implied to be similar to irl due to the fact that reality's concepts were akin to ours before the last cataclysm. This includes higher dimensional geometry. However, its possible that this only extends to higher dimensions that deal with real numbers rather than cardinals that that describe things beyond real numbers.
All of this confirms that its a world of human perception containing and being beyond manifestation of concepts in reality like real numbers and geometrical dimensions of real number lines below itself. It's a world that manipulates these geometrical dimensions, upon merging with Reality.
God
The religion shown in the Fire Force world was an idea The Evangelist ingrained into people's minds through the White Clad. The White Clad is a cult that follow orders given by the evangelist, all for the ultimate purpose of leading humanity to destruction. One of those people, Yona, had the ability to shape shift and she turned into the first bishop and the founder of the new religion known as Raffles I. This religion quickly became practiced and widely accepted and the White Clad grew in power as a result as they recruited powerful pyrokinesis users, seek the pillars in preparation of the Great Cataclysm.
The Religion practices the worship of the sun and leads humanity to their annihilation. Thanks to this religion ingrained in everyone's minds, the concept of God was absorbed and reflected in Adolla, which gave the Evangelist the appearance of the God that humanity envisioned.
Even before this new religion, the current humans, and even before the previous Great Cataclysm. Pre-existing Humans had their religions among other things that they believed gave them salvation. They learned from their despair and halted their extermination by having ethics, values, medicine, technology, laws, etc. However, their safety made them more fearful of death, increased their despair, and caused their extermination in the form of the Great Cataclysm.
God did not create humanity, Humanity created God.
Conclusion
Adolla transcends reality entirely, including every concept that exists within it. The concepts within Adolla govern said reality upon completion of the Great Cataclysm. Some of these concepts include numbers, mathematics, history, and even the concept of higher dimensions that pertain to reality.
Adolla is currently accepted to be Low 2-C. However, it's beyond the cosmology, thats a given (Low 1-C). However, do not forget that it manipulates the concept of dimensions, so if it transcends the concepts it displays, then it is possible for it to transcend any number of dimensions arbitrarily stacked against themselves.
Therefore, I propose for Adolla to be "possibly" Tier 1. Based on the narrative and all that i have mentioned here, choose the specific tier Adolla qualifies for with reasons:
I believe the evidence here qualifies for a possible or likely rating.
So far here are the scaling options based on our Tiering System and the status quo of the forum:
"Possibly" Low 1-C: Adolla is a higher dimension beyond reality. In reality, there are higher dimensions compared to humanity's 3-D nature. Adolla fuses with these higher dimensions and replaces it with the fundamental concept of higher dimensions made by humans. The only "higher dimension" shown in Fire Force is 4-D space time continuum, making Adolla's transcendence over the FF cosmology correspond to 5-D in terms of "dimensional" scale as described by our Tiering System.
(Adolla = 1-D*5 = 5-D. Reality = 1-D*4 = 4-D. Adolla + Reality = 1-D*5 = 5-D)
"Possibly" 1-A: Adolla is an inconceivable higher dimension that transcends the concepts, created by humanity, that it houses. One of the concepts Adolla manifested in Reality via The previous Great Cataclysms include but is not limited to "Numbers", "Mathematics" and "Higher Dimension". During the Great Cataclysm (an event that connects Adolla to the real world), Adolla can manifest, affect, and subtract these concepts from Reality. Transcending the manifestation of these concepts ranges from 1-A to 0 because our tiering system is based on mathematics and dimensionality. However, without any explicit or exact showings of how far numbers, mathematics, and higher dimensions go in Fire Force, anything higher than 1-A may be considered NLF to some members of this site in the highest ranking staff position that do not practice "Death to the Author". Therefore, at the very least, Adolla transcends a set of all real numbers, which includes any possible extension of higher dimensions based on real numbers that is shown to be conceivable by Fire Force's humanity and Fire Force's Mathematics. In other words, Adolla, which is a higher dimension beyond whatever humans in the verse can conceive of, should be at least 1-A since I can not prove that humanity can imagine numbers beyond all real numbers.
As described above, Adolla is a higher dimension thats beyond reality and beyond imagination, even though it is a combination of imagination, concepts, and ideation itself. Real numbers are numbers used in mathematics to describe the real world. So logically, in Fire Force, the real numbers are numbers used in their mathematics to describe their reality. Otherwise, mathematics wouldn't exist for physicists, scientists, and engineers. Therefore, Adolla must be a higher dimension made up of coordinates that have all real numbers as merely a subset of much larger set of numbers. (At least Aleph 2).
Adolla is disconnected from Reality, and will one day merge with reality like this:
(Adolla = Aleph 2, Reality = n-D. where n is all real numbers (Aleph 1). Adolla + Reality = Aleph 2)
Those who scale:
The Evangelist scales to Adolla by virtue of being Adolla itself given form. This is the sandbox for The Evangelist's page.
Those who scale to the Evangelist will have their tiers changed:
The Evangelist scales to Adolla by virtue of being Adolla itself given form. This is the sandbox for The Evangelist's page.
Those who scale to the Evangelist will have their tiers changed:
- Shinrabansho man would scale
- The version of Haumea that fused with the Evangelist will scale
- Kishin Asura and Death will have their "likely" ratings changed accordingly.
- Arthur
- Dragon
- Benimaru - "possibly" rating for being abler to affect adolla.
Agree
Qawsedf234 (Low 1-C), Maitreya, Scottycj256
Neutral
Disagree
Princeofpein
Qawsedf234 (Low 1-C), Maitreya, Scottycj256
Neutral
Disagree
Princeofpein
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