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Ok there’s a lot here. First and foremost though, there is no “probably what happened” to Tatsuo’s mom. It’s literally explained what happened to her. There was no “falling into flames” or whatever in regards to her. They plainly say out loud why she suddenly vanished and that was because her “role as a background character” was completed.Probably won't be able to reply after this message. :v
Uhh, seems pretty vague to me….
I exactly not sure how this will be some kind of metafictional evidence for the verse, I would say that this is just a side character or what I usually called is “NPC” in general manga, realizing that they are just a mere exhibition, which is sometimes just jokes or expression in the sense of 4th wall break to the readers. What's more, the people there or “character background” (which is what the author describes), will fall into flames/“despair” and vanish because Adolla, which is what happened to the mom when she openly rejects “s*x appeal”, that becomes some kind of “hope” for the them to survive from the great cataclysm. And thus, probably explaining why Tatsuto mom suddenly vanished at that panel, nothing there referring to erase via plot or it’s provided metafictional to be the plot manipulation.
Uh no. Not at all. Arthur’s changing the narrative statement is simply further support to my argument, not solely based off of it. I already presented other such evidences and statements citing how the structure they’re in is a “story” in of itself, which is a metafictional evidence in nature, and I further cement that notion of the characters referring to themselves as either “explicit or background characters.Your argument is based on only 1 statement directly about him being able to change the narrative. Again, which is very vague. He imagines that he wants to be the knight king after he simply finished the game that he played, which to boost his delusional to defeat the dragon. And by boosting I mean his ability to imagine. However, nothing here explicitly stated that his imagination can change the narrative.
Right…and I’ve given you concrete proof as well as further explanation citing how Arthur’s imagination is a direct result of his ability to change the narrative. The “narrative” here being the metafictional structure of the “story” he’s apart of. I don’t know how anything mentioned disputed the notion of metafictional evidence being presented with the usage of theseAnd being able to imagine being a main character, without any concrete proof and further explanation, doesn't necessarily give you plot hax.
Ok but this doesn’t address what I said at all. You’re claiming that Arthur’s abilities are more like subjective reality warping, but this doesn’t dispute the notion that his powers are being derived off of plot manipulation. The plot manipulation page even cited how the result of this ability manifests itself just as reality warping does. That still doesn’t mean it’s not plot manipulation though.The thing is, Plot Manipulation is much more specific than causality manipulation, having unique mechanic with specific application and common enough that should be its own page, you don't give to a character who has causality manipulation or reality warping in profile straight up to plot manipulation just because these three abilities have similarities, right?
My dude…we can literally see how Arthur’s own abilities manifested directly match that of the video game he was playing earlier. He again further does this when straight up…reality itself decides to manifest itself as if Arthur just equipped something in a video game. This is showcasing metafictional evidence becauseI would love to address that the fact that Arthur been said to be able to “change the structure of the story and the narrative to that of a video game”, which become some sort of evidence for your arguments.
What? That was just of the many examples of Arthur demonstrating his abilities. Again the direct citation of Arthur changing the narrative comes from this statement, the likening to a video game is from his direct showings doing just that.The fact that “featured” that Vulcan talking about actually is the new Excalibur that that he made for Arthur. Arthur simply adding the featured that Vulcan never put in the Excalibur by imagines it . Nothing there referring to change the story of the game.
Yes! Exactly. Want to know why? Because Arthur finished the game himself. He did the final battle and fought with Dragon, hence why he labels himself as the main character of that video game. That’s the point. The point was that, the reason Arthur left the game was so that he was gonna complete it by fighting the “Dragon” himself.
Then you’re just not addressing the arguments presented. The continual usage of the terms “story” being used to describe the structure they’re apart of, the direct citation of the “narrative” being changed in relation to one’s power, and the statements of characters labeling themselves as either “background/explicit characters” with them straight up vanishing from reality as soon as their “roles” in that story have been completed all demonstrate a multitude of evidence clearly indicating the usage of metafictional structures and terms in relation to them in regards to plot manipulation.I don't think I need to response to this, because all the scans you've shown are still the same, just with different explanations.
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His lifting strength should be at least Class Z for pulling the moonNarutosage15/sandbox
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I see, thanks would make the changes later is there any other thing that needs changes/addition?His lifting strength should be at least Class Z for pulling the moon
None so farI see, thanks would make the changes later is there any other thing that needs changes/addition?
Should clean up the formatting more.Narutosage15/sandbox
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So far I believe just Pain and Nexpo but Pain is abstaining from this thread for right nowHow many people disagree with Plot Manip so far?
Would his time stop not be space-time manipulation since he's warping spacetime with gravity to do itShould clean up the formatting more.
Yeah? I always took it as heat manip but if there's other stuff stating that then yeah it would be spacetime time stop maniping.Would his time stop not be space-time manipulation since he's warping spacetime with gravity to do it
Tbh based on the description faerie gave his ability should be something like this:Yeah? I always took it as heat manip but if there's other stuff stating that then yeah it would be spacetime time stop maniping.
Physics Manipulation, Heat Manipulation, Matter Manipulation, Density Manipulation & Gravity Manipulation (Through the Adolla Burst Faerie can tamper with the law of universal gravitation allowing him to change the mass of matter by adding heat to atoms thus manipulating gravity), Space-Time Manipulation (Through altering mass Faerie can distort both space and time allowing him stop time).
Matter isn't needed as Physics manip already covers that and I dont think Density is needed either since Physics covers that.Tbh based on the description faerie gave his ability should be something like this:
Matter is there cause he's altering them at an atomic level and Density is there cause he's changing their mass. In order the reasons for each are:Matter isn't needed as Physics manip already covers that and I dont think Density is needed either since Physics covers that.
I know what he's doing, Physics Manip already covers matter as an ability on its page one can do so there's no real need to put matter as well. You can simply format it asMatter is there cause he's altering them at an atomic level and Density is there cause he's changing their mass. In order the reasons for each are:
You see......@Deceived3596 I’m still waiting on your input of the arguments and all the new evidence presented bb
I seeShould clean up the formatting more.
I could help if u like. have nt else to doI see
Please do, that would be niceI could help if u like. have nt else to do
i updated it now. tell me if there's something else u have for itPlease do, that would be nice
Yeah this seems reasonable enough. It's clear and concisePhysics Manipulation/Heat Manipulation & Space-Time Manipulation (Gravity - Atomic - Through the Adolla Burst Faerie can tamper with the law of universal gravitation allowing him to change the mass of matter by adding heat to atoms thus manipulating gravity. Through altering mass Faerie can distort both space and time allowing him stop time)
Don’t worry, Glassman said he’s gonna comment on this thread soon. He’s just busy at the moment so we just need to give him some time.After reading through everything i'm fine with Plot Manipulation for Adolla and Arthur, the evidence provided (in specific, the "changing the narrative" statement, Licht's story statement and the background characters vs established characters statement) seems enough for Plot Manipulation imo, but ultimately i would want someone whose an expert on Plot Manipulation to comment on this thread before i give my full agreement towards it, so if someone could contact @Theglassman12 or any other expert, that would be great.
This is probably the most clear cut example of Plot Manipulation I've seen yet, so I agree with this.Arthur Boyle Plot Manipulation:
Do you think this interaction would qualify for showing a "characters role changing"?To qualify for plot manipulation meta-narrative statements would need to be used a lot for this, such as the plot of the story, the setting being altered abruptly, the character's roles changing, etc.
Thanks very much for commenting on the matter.Alright, exams are done for the time being so I can comment on the plot hax stuff.
So far regarding the scans for plot hax the closest thing I can see in regards to plot manipulation is the whole "change the narrative" statement from the author in this scan and this line here. Though scans like this with him not being aware of him being in outer space and thus not being affected by the lack of air sounds more like Subjective reality as his inner thoughts came out into reality, especially if it's going off the fact the dragon character just thinks he's a force of nature and therefore he is. To qualify for plot manipulation meta-narrative statements would need to be used a lot for this, such as the plot of the story, the setting being altered abruptly, the character's roles changing, etc. etc. I'm not fully convinced this would be solid plot manipulation as it somewhat implies subjective reality given the outer space scene with him suffocating.
I can see a possibly Plot Manipulation with those two scans, but the rest doesn't exactly expand on it being actual metanarrative stuff, with the video game text I'm not really sure what to label that other than subjective reality as he sees himself in a game more than the real world.