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Actually nah, this is a well-made CRT and I feel everything was clarified pretty well. I doubt any NEW counter arguments will come so put me down as agreeing.
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The ones that Arthur fights on are. Since he’s not that far into outer space when he fights Dragon.
You should read the manga then cause I have no words for youbut tell me again what were the points of other threads? they were all the same except that this one explains them better.
And all you've done is deny it, and use such bad logic that... oh my god, I can't forget when you said that apparently the stars are in range of the earth.
the same for you i will say.You should read the manga then cause I have no words for you
Don’t just assume people don’t “read the manga” just cause their position is different than yours. That’s just being utterly condescending and unproductive to the conversation.You should read the manga then cause I have no words for you
Or or or or and put your listening cap on, they were so close that for all intents and purpose they were in the range of earth. Aka pain just meant they were super close to earth…that does not mean that the stars were in the range of the earth, remember that the physics of the universe at that point had already been altered by the collective unconsciousness. Obviously they will be closer.
the same thing i say aboveOr or or or and put your listening cap on, they were so close that for all intents and purpose they were in the range of earth. Aka pain just meant they were super close to earth…
It can sound condenscending for all you care, but someone who thinks the stars that authur was destroying in the fight against dragon is not close to the earth, needs to read the manga probably again but this time they should read it properly. Simple as thatDon’t just assume people don’t “read the manga” just cause their position is different than yours. That’s just being utterly condescending and unproductive to the conversation.
I’ve read fire force. I love the series it’s great. My position remains the same due to the presence of evidence for it. That’s all anyone argues for.
I agree and I've always found it unreasonable for the universe to be 5b.
This is funny
why not the ap?Off work now I can take my place here but so far I agree on the range
Neutral on it but that said while Arthur and Dragon are fighting in space they were most certainly are quite the distance away when they reach the stars not instellar or anything but they're easily at least several hundreds of meters away from the moon so while not too crazy they did move quite a bitwhy not the ap?
This is not a universe, rather a world.This is what the fire force universe used to look like. Before the cataclysm, the fire force universe looked entirely like ours. Our real life 3D selves. Until the cataclysm brought on by Adolla turned the universe into what we see. An anime/manga style away from its original real life style.
In fact, in every(1) single shot (2) of space (3) we get (4). In which we can even see galaxies being visible in the background, we can see that the universe is in 2D anime art-style. Real life people have even been carried over from 3D to 2D due to this shift caused by the cataclysm.
Where is here universal range? Where he out righted stated that the cataclysm is the will of the universe?This feat undeniably proves that Adolla’s reach is in the universal range. And not some arbitrary cutting off point. To further support this notion, it is outright stated that the cataclysm is the will of the universe. Whatever reality warping is happening is happening to the universe and not some arbitrary multi solar system cutting off point like we currently have it.
You used the same evidence twice, and once again, this is a world, not a universe.To suggest that Adolla has some sort of cutting off point in its reach of merging with the universe is not only baseless but also contradictory to the series itself. As well as brings in confused and needless questions such as if Adolla does have a cutting off point at multi solar system levels then the other galaxies in the universe should be visibly in a completely different art style than the rest of the world. But that clearly isn’t the case.
Where is “universe here”. It is clearly stated to be “World”.Universal Fire Force Feat #2: This feat’s purpose is to further show how Adolla impacting the universe is entirely consistent with the series while the counter position is entirely inconsistent.
The second feat in question is once again Adolla reality warping the universe to change the stars from actual stars to little block stars in order to match the human perception of them.
With this feat in question, not only is it directly shown to us that the universe is being impacted by Adolla’s cataclysm. But it’s outright stated(1) multiple times(2) as well.
Not only that, but interestingly enough, this statement is made in chapter 234. The feat in question happens in chapter 235. While this other statement supporting the notion of Adolla affecting the whole universe happened in 247.
This is world destruction, not universe destruction.Why this scales to stats:
Thus far what has been shown has been in regards to hax for the character. All the feats performed has been due to hax on a universal range and not stats. So why should this scale to state? And the answer should also be very simple with the entirely qualifying feat to support the notion.
All the reality warping done in the series is due to Adolla’s world merging with the universe. This feat in question should qualify as a Low 2-C feat due to the merging of two worlds
For reference: Adolla=Evangelist (Adolla given form)=cataclysm (the product of Adolla merging with the universe).
The “world” is in a completely different art style than what we can visibly see in the Fire Force Universe including galaxies.This is not a universe, rather a world.
- This is a bit stretched. You assumed it is a universe, while none of the images said this.
- This section is literally way out of context. You are required to add more context than this.
The fact that the universe is in a completely different art style? But yes that statement does in fact support the notion that the cataclysm is Adolla merging with the whole universe rather than just some arbitrary multi solar system range.Where is here universal range? Where he out righted stated that the cataclysm is the will of the universe?
The world is shown to be in a completely different art-style than the Fire Force Universe. So unless for whatever reason the fire force universe was 2-D but only the “world” was 3-D. Which would have to be the default position you are taking Dread. The art style of the world matches the universe.You used the same evidence twice, and once again, this is a world, not a universe.
World can mean universe Dread this is known. And considering more than just the earth is getting reality warped, “world” can only be taken as meaning “universe.” Otherwise usage of the term “world” doesn’t fit.Where is “universe here”. It is clearly stated to be “World”.
World can = universe Dread. I made this clear in the opening post.
- In these screenshots, the world and the universe are two separated terms. So, you are using world as universe argument is truly false.
Why. No reasoning was given for this position and it directly contradicts the series as well.
- Also, law manipulation or physics manipulation, but not really in universal level.
So what
- You used the same evidence once again.
- You used the same evidence once again ?!
- You used the same evidence once again ?!?
Because there’s nothing wrong with them and it demonstrates my position???Why, you are repeating the same evidences?
World=universe Dread. This is a power scaling conversation had time and time again.This is world destruction, not universe destruction.
He was basically explaining that the Fire force world looked liked ours before it guy changed to a more 2D like scenery which includes things like the stars galaxies and all that which Dr Giovanni statement as a supporting evidence to the range of adollaThis is not a universe, rather a world.
This is a bit stretched. You assumed it is a universe, while none of the images said this.
- This section is literally way out of context. You are required to add more context than this.
The universal range in question is the fact that the adolla could affect structures far beyond the planetWhere is here universal range? Where he out righted stated that the cataclysm is the will of the universe?
You used the same evidence twice, and once again, this is a world, not a universe.
Where did you see world? It was stated to affect the universe twice and even if it was called “world” it shouldn’t be far fetched to say that the two words can be used interchangeably and this is a refutation to the range of adolla, world doesn’t automatically equate to planet in a fictional basisWhere is “universe here”. It is clearly stated to be “World”.
World and universe aren’t two separated terms where are you getting that from?
- In these screenshots, the world and the universe are two separated terms. So, you are using world as universe argument is truly false
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- Also, law manipulation or physics manipulation, but not really in universal level.
You’ve yet to provide a concrete rebuttal as to why the context of the feat is limited to planetary whereas substantial evidence as being shown that the range of adolla is universal and world doesn’t equate or translate to planet in the verse
- You used the same evidence once again.
- You used the same evidence once again ?!
- You used the same evidence once again ?!?
- Why, you are repeating the same evidences?
This is world destruction, not universe destruction.
if they say ''hoshi'' then they mean the earth, but if they say ''sekai'' then they mean the universe in general.Before, I reply to arguments, @Maitreya can you send all raw scans to all scans you have sent as far?
He uses the kanji for planet and universe in the first scan “this planet too, the universe as well…” The second scan uses the kanji for world “this world’s…”Sure. Here’s one of the raw scans that directly uses the kanji “universe.”
And here are the raws for the other statement as well.
No that is objectively false.if they say ''hoshi'' then they mean the earth, but if they say ''sekai'' then they mean the universe in general.
But I don’t think you can say for certain what “world” means, it can be planet or universe, especially when both are mentioned in the first scanHe uses the kanji for planet and universe in the first scan “this planet too, the universe as well…” The second scan uses the kanji for world “this world’s…”
No thanks. Sekai means world. Alexander, I am not debating on this.if they say ''hoshi'' then they mean the earth, but if they say ''sekai'' then they mean the universe in general.
you are referring to this?He uses the kanji for planet and universe in the first scan “this planet too, the universe as well…” The second scan uses the kanji for world “this world’s…”
So you are suggesting the existence of two universes?But I don’t think you can say for certain what “world” means, it can be planet or universe, especially when both are mentioned in the first scan
No thanks. Sekai means world. Alexander, I am not debating on this.
What? No, I’m saying that “world” can mean “planet” or “universe.”So you are suggesting the existence of two universes?
Ok so that means the first panel matches up with the English translation since he says both planet and universe there as well.He uses the kanji for planet and universe in the first scan “this planet too, the universe as well…” The second scan uses the kanji for world “this world’s…”
So you are suggesting the existence of two universes?
This isn’t an assumption Dread.Guys, I won't argue over this. The scan explicitly showed and separated two words: World and Universe. And it even said matter of scale, unless you are making the biggest assumption that both means “universes”, then you have to show evidence for this.
But it makes 1000000% sense that it was referring world as in planet since the first scan of OP showed it perfectly how world looks like.
I won't argue based on assumptions or "Welp, mAybe it is a universe".
Guys, I won't argue over this. The scan explicitly showed and separated two words: World and Universe. And it even said matter of scale, unless you are making the biggest assumption that both means “universes”, then you have to show evidence for this.
But it makes 1000000% sense that it was referring world as in planet since the first scan of OP showed it perfectly how world looks like.
I won't argue based on assumptions or "Welp, mAybe it is a universe".