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This is how the conversation between me and Arc is going by the way 
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The End All Be All of Fire Force Revision Threads!
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Didn't one of the scans literally say that "Pi become solvable" along with the spontaneous human combustion that occured last time? That's a numerical concept, it's going to be a universal change, not just something that would happen on Earth.
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This is how the conversation between me and Arc is going by the way
This is only gonna provoke people so could you not? Doesn't exactly make your argument look any better
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Yeah, it did say "pi became solvable." That's a universal concept right there
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I think at the very least in terms of Shinrabanshoman whatever we rate this should scale to his physicals since he's literally coupled with having creation feats using his own power and literally like remakes earth and its laws
Also his range at least extends to the sun since we saw him rewrite that as well
Thoughts here as well?
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Which would still mean a universal range of effect via reality warping.
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Aight fine that’s fair. But just know Arc and I already kind of talk shit to each other on discord. It’s not meant to be insulty more so a light hearted gesture (hence why I didn’t actually insult him in any of the texts in the meme)
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Aight.
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Reported for harassment calling @Antvasima rn
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Don't make me call Alexander to whoop you twice in the same thread
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Fair enough, I've talked with Arc on Discord so I know about this kinda banter I just didn't know you also frequently talked with him that way
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Would at least mean universal range though
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I can’t believe we mf’s been going around in circles like this when another feat was right there in front of our eyes.
@InfiniteDay you done got me good outplayed me in my own thread
@InfiniteDay you done got me good outplayed me in my own thread
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I just wanna add further context to the Pi feat.
Adolla is entirely made up of thoughts and human ideation and in itself it includes such concepts as Truth, Law, World, Higher Plane, and of course Mathematics. So it being able to warp pi from insolvable to solvable is already backed up by the notion that Adolla embodies the very concept of mathematics itself.
Pi was a spell of destruction made by the Evangelist (Adolla given form) as the key to unlocking Adolla. The problem of pi being never ending was solved during the last cataclysm when Adolla reality warped the universe from real life to anime and “rewrote the rules of the world,” thus in turn made pi solvable.
I hope that makes everything clear and in showing that turning pi from insolvable to solvable is yet another universal reality warping feat.
Adolla is entirely made up of thoughts and human ideation and in itself it includes such concepts as Truth, Law, World, Higher Plane, and of course Mathematics. So it being able to warp pi from insolvable to solvable is already backed up by the notion that Adolla embodies the very concept of mathematics itself.
Pi was a spell of destruction made by the Evangelist (Adolla given form) as the key to unlocking Adolla. The problem of pi being never ending was solved during the last cataclysm when Adolla reality warped the universe from real life to anime and “rewrote the rules of the world,” thus in turn made pi solvable.
I hope that makes everything clear and in showing that turning pi from insolvable to solvable is yet another universal reality warping feat.
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Universal range reality warp
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I mean... Adolla having Universal range is pretty undeniable, but that doesn't mean having Universal range allows you to necessarily interact with the physical Universe on a Universal scale, as in the capacity to heavily effect, manipulate, or destroy the physical Universe. You can have X range with your Conceptual Manipulation, doesn't mean your Energy Blast or physical attacks would also have X range without further context. It seems like an equal interpretation type of argument, i'm personally neutral, leaning towards agreeing it can affect the physical Universe in those ways.
It at least (imo) means Adolla would have Universal hax's since it's able to effect a Universal constant, unless you believe Adolla is only effecting physics around Earth, which in that case it wouldn't (I don't agree with this interpretation, seems more assumptive tbh.)
It at least (imo) means Adolla would have Universal hax's since it's able to effect a Universal constant, unless you believe Adolla is only effecting physics around Earth, which in that case it wouldn't (I don't agree with this interpretation, seems more assumptive tbh.)
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Before the first cataclysm. Reality was depicted in 3-D.
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I'm speaking about something which can be scaled to AP, i'm fine with Adolla having Universal Reality Warping, that doesn't mean it can be scaled someone's AP or Dura. It would only be hax without further evidence of the contrary.
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Oh okay then
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…and now finally after 260+ messages have been made…
…We can finally talk about scaling to physical stats…
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This is a lie again, arguing with the manga means saying something that never happened which is what you did or do.
I said we are shown and it was stated that only earth is merging with adolla, how is that saying "No you are wrong" please stop making false accusations
Yes this is a picture of earth, still stand by my point
No you dont see star shaped blocks in the background, they are too far to make that claim, you see actual stars, the star shaped blocks were the ones around earth not the ones far away.
Where is the stars been instantly reality warped?
Like can you read at all or do you actually know what you are typing?
We see a clear atmosphere and then we see blocks that are star shaped in the sky, that was all.
Seeing stars been reality warped, means
1. Seeing an actual star or stars
2. Then they became smaller
3. Then they changed from Hydrogen to blocks
4. Then they are brought closer to eart.
None of this shit happened, so stop saying we saw stars been reality warped, it never happened.
Again your lying got you here, I said the term "The stars are shifting" was never said, then you sent these two scans that says
1. Let us determine the future of the stars (a very flowery statement)
2. Havven't you seen them, the moon and the stars floating in the sky, the very physics of this world is been altered.
None of this says "The stars are shifting" which implies the stars are moving or some RW.
Again stop strawmanning and actual argue the points.
No creation ability was ever seen? huh??
Wait is this a joke or are you serious?
Huh? how is me saying that the scan you sent was the scan of the moon changing and not the stars, a headcanon?
Like wtf can you actually read this things before replying?
You said we saw the stars RW and sent a scan of the moon, and I said this is the moon and not the stars, and you said that is a headcanon?
Common man, do better
We saw two stars been created from a GC, then yes I can make the claim that stars are created from GC, as it is not unfounded
This does not answer the question or the point, failed cataclysm does not affects the evangelist powers.
I said she could have just reality warped the planet into a star since she can do that, so how does failed cataclysm affect that?
She has the power with or without the thoughts of humanity, it is a single planet not the whole universe is it not?
Stop with this merging with the universe it is head canon, we literally saw it merge with earth and earth alone and statements that says adolla is merging with the planet, again it was earth, that is a real head canon right there
Actually she can, the humans of 250 years ago wished for death, but she could not reality warped the planet into a star cause there was not enough pillars, so why exactly can someone who is 2C not do something that is a simple as crushing an ant, nah infinitely less difficult
We saw adolla did we not, dont act like you did not see adolla size.
but you said two universe joining together, if you dont know adolla size, why are you claiming it is universe sized?
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Because you see simply claiming something isn’t enough. You have to actually prove it which you have failed to do because none of your statements disprove my position.
Simply saying words isn’t enough to win an argument. You have to actually address my arguments which you have failed to do.
Exhibit A of you failing to address my argument:
So how bout I repeat myself since you clearly must’ve missed it. Don’t worry I’ll just quote myself again so I don’t have to retype everything. I’ll just keep doing that until you actually address the argument presented.
We objectively do. I’ve even taken the liberty of zooming them in for you.
so you’re just wrong. We can clearly see the star shaped blocks far off in the background. I can do this to plenty more images as well since they’re actually quite frequent.
Right here
Still see no evidence provided that the stars were created.
Yes I can it’s quite easy to see the words on the screen saying the stars and the moon were reality warped. Clearly you seem to be having trouble though.
Are you insane? Reality warping is not a step by step process. Reality warping just happens.
It’s instantaneous. This position you’re making is nonsensical. Anyways again we see the moon is reality warped and we are directly told the stars and the moon are being reality warped. You draw an arbitrary distinction that is not presented in the series by saying only the moon was reality warped but the stars were created.
“Look at the stars and the moon. The very physics of this world have been altered.”
That is directly saying the stars and the moon were altered and reality warped. We see the moon is reality warped and he mentions the stars as well. Where is this distinction you are drawing between the stars and the moon because thus far all you’ve done is literally spew BS.
Exhibit B of you just saying “No you’re wrong”:
Dismissing evidence is not an argument. You actually need to prove the claims you make. Prove it’s flowery especially when we see the stars being reality warped making the statement entirely literal.
“The very physics of the world has been altered.” That’s saying reality warping chief. He even brings up the moon as a frame of reference of reality warping so where are you getting creation from?
And you question if I can read?
Wow sure is a whole lot of claims being made but no evidence to back it up. Yes friend no creation ability was ever shown to happen to the stars. Please substantiate the claims you made about the stars being created. You know, because claims require evidence.
Thank you very much
Because you provided no evidence for your claims that’s why? Because what you say is inconsistent with what happens to the moon that’s why? Because what you say contradicts other statements made that’s why?
I think I’ve made my points abundantly clear. You just refuse to even engage with them.
My dude can you actually argue before replying because all you’ve done is just say words without backing them up. You still have yet to provide a single piece of evidence supporting you claim that the stars were created instead of reality warped.
I feel like I’m dealing with a loony toons character right now. My dude the scans directly mention the stars alongside the moon being reality warped wtf are you talking about we see the stars right next to the moon. They’re saying the fate of the stars is what is on the line here and you’re saying:
“No no, the stars weren’t actually affected. They were created. Just ignore those statements.”
Yeah that’s headcanon buddy don’t know what else to tell ya. How bout actually coming back with evidence next time eh?
No you can’t. 2 stars being made doesn’t equate to all stars being made. That is a leap in logic especially since no mention of it was given in the series.
And you question if other people have read fire force when you make statements like this
Hey buddy did you just miss the whole part about how Adolla is just the collective unconscious of humanity? What Adolla’s reality warping is done through what humanity perceived and desires.
For god’s sake man the only reason the stars and the moon look the way they do is because it matches humanities perception of them. For the world to be engulfed in flames humanity has to desire it.
Hence the whole point of the white clad??
Literally lying right now. World can only mean universe here because we see reality being shifted from 3D to 2D. Sorry but reality extends past just the “planet”
I literally just explained it to you. Adolla is human ideation and consciousness. Adolla only does what the collective conscious desires. The collective conscious didn’t fully desire death at that point ergo Adolla didn’t fully merge with the universe.
Also because pi was still unsolvable at the time meaning Adolla’s world was still separated from the real world.
Hey buddy answer my question first before I answer yours. I gave you an answer but you didn’t give me one. So I’ll repeat my question until you give me an answer.
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How do you argue against any Universal stat in a verse that allows the manipulation of universal concepts, has been blatantly shown to affect the stars and stated to be able to do it by knowledgeable people and has been shown to affect the art style of the universe which would include the UNIVERSE?
Last time edit: Now that I'm reading, the only reason there's an argument against stars being warped is that they are being depicted close to the panel of the manga
I'm out of here
How do you argue against any Universal stat in a verse that allows the manipulation of universal concepts, has been blatantly shown to affect the stars and stated to be able to do it by knowledgeable people and has been shown to affect the art style of the universe which would include the UNIVERSE?
Last time edit: Now that I'm reading, the only reason there's an argument against stars being warped is that they are being depicted close to the panel of the manga
I'm out of here
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Spitting here ngl, they even reference the "world" going from 3d to 2d talking about this
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I mean haven’t we gone passed this stage already?
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i think so
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Yes now…back to it.
Why this scales to stats:
I wanna try and make this simple so I’m going to make this as concise as can be. Now, the reason Adolla’s hax feats scales to stats is because…well in the case of Adolla, there really is no distinction between hax and stats here. Let me explain:
To get our bearings right I wanna direct us to the statements @Dalesean027 pointed put just above citing how the Evangelist is Adolla itself given form.
This is meant to be a frame of reference here to show that Adolla (the world of thoughts and ideation in which all of humanities collective unconscious reaches)= the Evangelist (Adolla given form which is meant to embody the concept and idea of “God” humans have come up with over the millennia)= the Cataclysm (the product of Adolla merging with the real world).
Now as cited earlier, the reality warping is done as a result of Adolla merging with the world. The rules of reality were rewritten as a result of this. What Adolla is reality warping is what Adolla is merging with.
So the reason this is scaling to stats is because Adolla is physically merging with the universe. And because Adolla is physically merging with the universe this scales with the Evangelist as well because the Evangelist is Adolla. There is no distinction between them, they are the same thing. What Adolla is merging with is what the Evangelist is also becoming as well since the Evangelist is just Adolla given form.
This is not unfounded in the series because Adolla and the Evangelist embodies the very concept of the “world” itself (which we’ve established here to mean “universe.”) So Adolla merging with the universe and embodying it is also further supported in the series.
And since Shinra (in his God tier state) could not only completely neg Adolla (now fused with Haumea) and all her abilities, but also destroy the very embodiment of despair that Adolla itself represents, this should be scaling to their physical stats as well because the merger is a physical feat entirely done by Adolla and Shinra is destroying the very embodiment of Adolla itself.
I hope that clear things up
if anyone else has some further input on this notion by all means share it.
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Yeesh, there's a lot of posts to go through here.
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The worst part about it is we’ve determined another separate feat not brought up in the OP as another valid universal reality warping feat. So 90% of the posts you’re about to read are gonna be irrelevant for that reason
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I'll wait until @Arc7Kuroi gives his rebuttal against @Maitreya post above before giving my opinion on if this could scaled to stats or not.
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