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Skill Wars: The Last Skill Thread
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Dude, you truly are a mind beyond our limits.Firephoenixearl said:
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It's fine if you don't want to. I'd never want anyone to force themselves to comment, but everyone's comments are always welcome
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Its MHA of all things.
Could have been naruto,
Could have been Bleach,
Could have been One Piece, that one at least has class.
Its. MHA. Of. All. Things.
Could have been naruto,
Could have been Bleach,
Could have been One Piece, that one at least has class.
Its. MHA. Of. All. Things.
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Cant say that I think attempting to: "make X memetic" is good for the wiki unless you mean only as a fun and games thing.
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My goals are beyond your understanding.Ionliosite said:
@Baki
It's not just that, it's just a waste of time doing lists of more than 5 unless it's more of a verse specific thing. As an example look at how Top 5 strongest for each tier is such a success as a thread, but when someone made Top 10 strongest, it pretty much failed, it did not get even a full thread let alone several. It's an advice from me, don't try to rate such a general thing (that basically includes all fictional verses) in more places than top 5, most people will lose interest.
@FW
You're in for an enjoyable ride.
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I'm eager to the results regardless
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Is it too late to discard any form of responsibility surrounding this maniac and his insateable hunger for suffering and destruction? Regardless, i apologize to the MHA Fandom existing on this wiki in advancement.
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@Baki
It's not just that, it's just a waste of time doing lists of more than 5 unless it's more of a verse specific thing. As an example look at how Top 5 strongest for each tier is such a success as a thread, but when someone made Top 10 strongest, it pretty much failed, it did not get even a full thread let alone several. It's an advice from me, don't try to rate such a general thing (that basically includes all fictional verses) in more places than top 5, most people will lose interest.
Do you think we should remove anyone not placed in at least the top 10?
It's not just that, it's just a waste of time doing lists of more than 5 unless it's more of a verse specific thing. As an example look at how Top 5 strongest for each tier is such a success as a thread, but when someone made Top 10 strongest, it pretty much failed, it did not get even a full thread let alone several. It's an advice from me, don't try to rate such a general thing (that basically includes all fictional verses) in more places than top 5, most people will lose interest.
Do you think we should remove anyone not placed in at least the top 10?
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Also Baki, while I can't really do it at the moment, how's it going on the potential Yujiro vs Musashi front?
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First Witch said:
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I'm making a lot of progress on nailing down Yujiro best skill feats, making a list of people to ask to comment, and maybe juggling a few ways to make it more exciting that "X can do Y" and "well X can do Y too", but I haven't nailed one downCreaturemaster971 said:
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Rocker1189 said:
@FW
You got the right idea over my insatiable thirst for memetic destruction.
@Baki
No im not saying that. I'm saying, don't bother too much past top 5. If you want to try for more go for it, but don't really put in effort, not worth it.
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Cool! I have been reading over some Fate stuff, I'm just trying to figure out how to compile it.
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I gotcha. I'll probably poke at it a bit if I'm ever bored, but I think I'll take your advice and leave it beFirephoenixearl said:
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Even now as you can see, no one really argues below top 5, outside of some random fan coming in now and then debating once then leaving again. The extremes get the recognition not the middle.
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Generally what I like to do it try to find and read material pertaining to the person in question and either compile the stuff that might be skill in the Notes on my phone or Notepad on my laptop. The order I usually go is feats>direct scaling (Musashi is either shown or outright stated to be more skilled than X)> then indirect scaling (if Musashi is superior to X, she should also be superior to Y, as X is superior to Y)Creaturemaster971 said:
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Yeah, I hear you. Those random fans were getting to me, making me think I wasn't giving the others a fair shake, but your line of reasoning puts me at ease about it. The top tiers are recognized and placed, the rest are just very skilled, but not placement worthyFirephoenixearl said:
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It's a shame we don't have anyone knowledgeable on DC because I'm curious how Lady Shiva would do.
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We have Pre-Crisis Karate Kid. I dunno DC too well, but apparently iirc, KK is more skilled than Batman. How does Shiva compare?Creaturemaster971 said:
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See I did some minor research earlier. Pre-C Karate Kid and Lady Shiva are from two different continuities. There is, however, also a Post-C Karate Kid.
However...
Post-C Karate Kid has incredibly unquantifiable feats. The only solid thing he's got is durability-neg and being able to fight 2-Cs "through skill", which we have already determined is unquantifiable, and may even just be a more liberal use of his dura-neg.
Lady Shiva not only has a wonderful scaling chain (as does Cassandra Cain if you consider her to have truly surpassed Shiva), but should have plenty of feats via fighting the batfamily (who should also have plenty of feats on their own)
Pre-C Karate Kid also doesn't seem that quantifiable. Punching through diamond and fighting Superman seem solely like AP
However...
Post-C Karate Kid has incredibly unquantifiable feats. The only solid thing he's got is durability-neg and being able to fight 2-Cs "through skill", which we have already determined is unquantifiable, and may even just be a more liberal use of his dura-neg.
Lady Shiva not only has a wonderful scaling chain (as does Cassandra Cain if you consider her to have truly surpassed Shiva), but should have plenty of feats via fighting the batfamily (who should also have plenty of feats on their own)
Pre-C Karate Kid also doesn't seem that quantifiable. Punching through diamond and fighting Superman seem solely like AP
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Shiva stomps Batman in a fight if serious. Same goes for Cassandra Cain, and I think both of them should be on the list.BakiHanma18 said:
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I do too, and you know what?
I'm gonna start looking into that, along with Mifune and Musashi
Gonna be slow going though. Teachers are piling on the homework to make up for the quarantine.
I'm gonna start looking into that, along with Mifune and Musashi
Gonna be slow going though. Teachers are piling on the homework to make up for the quarantine.
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If both of them can't, then I nominate Cassandra Cain since she beat Shiva when they both went all out.
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I'll just put Lady Shiva for now, seems she's more fitting to represent DC, though I don't expect to her to enter top 5 (I guess I could be wrong though)
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Alright, scratch that, guess we're doing Cassandra? Or are we doing Shiva?
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I personally think both of them should be on the list but it's your call.
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Combat applicable skills only
Based on impressive skill feats and scaling from them. Experience statements & connceptual feats won't be accepted
One per verse
^ In the OP
Based on impressive skill feats and scaling from them. Experience statements & connceptual feats won't be accepted
One per verse
^ In the OP
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Cassandra Cain is weird because she's overspecialized.
With her body reading she stomps everyone else and fights evenly with Shiva
Without it she gets brutally curbstomped by casual Bruce Wayne
Lady Shiva consistently skillstomps the likes of Batman and Robin
With her body reading she stomps everyone else and fights evenly with Shiva
Without it she gets brutally curbstomped by casual Bruce Wayne
Lady Shiva consistently skillstomps the likes of Batman and Robin
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Then yeah Cain because she beat Shiva.
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I'm personally more of a fan of putting Shiva on there, but I'll hold off until I've done the research
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Question: What do we do if the pinnacle fighters in a verse are either tied, or constantly alternate being the best?
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I guess the best answer would be to pick the one that's more consistently better or just pick one
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Aight, I'll get back to you on that.
I'm determined to get this done before I go to bed, and possibly not of right mind in doing so, but eh, what the hell.
I'm determined to get this done before I go to bed, and possibly not of right mind in doing so, but eh, what the hell.
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Push on brother, and best of luck
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All right.
I've done about all I can do in one night.
I'll be back to discuss it tomorrow (whenever I wake up, it's 2 in the morning where I am), and will hopefully not be toohungover tired by then.
I've done about all I can do in one night.
I'll be back to discuss it tomorrow (whenever I wake up, it's 2 in the morning where I am), and will hopefully not be too
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Yeah, I agree with Creaturemaster than Lady Shiva should the one rather than Cass.
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Placing Shiva
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Alrighty dighty dighty.
So, this list was gathered from several respect threads across reddit. It is by no means extensive, I just gathered the feats that seemed most impressive to my exhausted, slightly intoxicated, 3-in-the-morning self.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1_Sq89HV9GahrxM95pMoUsNFiUraxjK73u0l5rtfmzds/edit?usp=sharing
The scaling chain appears to most consistently be
Other DC skillbois < The Batfamily as a whole < Tim Drake < Dick Grayson < Batman < Connor Hawke < Cassandra Cain = Richard dragon = Lady Shiva
More feats can be provided later if need be, but they tend to be more of the same
So, this list was gathered from several respect threads across reddit. It is by no means extensive, I just gathered the feats that seemed most impressive to my exhausted, slightly intoxicated, 3-in-the-morning self.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1_Sq89HV9GahrxM95pMoUsNFiUraxjK73u0l5rtfmzds/edit?usp=sharing
The scaling chain appears to most consistently be
Other DC skillbois < The Batfamily as a whole < Tim Drake < Dick Grayson < Batman < Connor Hawke < Cassandra Cain = Richard dragon = Lady Shiva
More feats can be provided later if need be, but they tend to be more of the same
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Unfortunately we have the issue that while the Batfamily are consistently above the rest of the verse, and Connor is consistently above any of the Batfamily, the top 3 tend to flip-flop around
It's an important aspect of their relationship that all three (Shiva, Dragon, and Cain) are constantly improving, and who is on top of the totem pole literally varies by the minute.
I would still place Lady Shiva, as she's the one most consistently called the best.
It's an important aspect of their relationship that all three (Shiva, Dragon, and Cain) are constantly improving, and who is on top of the totem pole literally varies by the minute.
I would still place Lady Shiva, as she's the one most consistently called the best.
