Sanji Fights Another Supernova

[Eseseso]

Kid took an off-screen beating from Bigger Mom using all of her Homies, including Prometheous, and while he was knocked out his skin wasn't that burnt.

He can handle Sanji's flames.

Sanji's only option to win is using hit-and-run tactics with Ifrit Jambe (since nothing else even hurts Kid), and that's unlikely to work since Kid will definitely catch him after one or 2 hits.

Kid has AP and durability by a landslide, can use magnetism to **** around with the battlefield and launch objects at Sanji (it won't hurt Sanji but will distract and disorient him), and is fast enough to be able to grab Sanji eventually, at which point he uses his Awakening to trap Sanji and use Punk Clash or Damned Punk.

 

[That_moron2]

Can buso haki boost fire resistance?

Yeah

 

[That_moron2]

If it wasn't obvious I'm voting for Kidd.

 

[Eseseso]

And Kidd w/o Buso endured multiple fire attacks from Big Mom.

He also reacted to Big Mom, who blitzed Queen.

He also had the stamina to fight Big Mom solo off-screen for a bit, while Sanji passed out after fighting Queen after just a few Vinsmoke attacks from the latter.

Kidd outpunches him, outlasts him, can eat basically everything Sanji can throw at him, and can definitely react to him.

This is a mismatch.

 

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He also reacted to Big Mom, who blitzed Queen.

This never happened.

 

[Eseseso]

This never happened.

Big Mom vs Queen at Udon?

She grabbed and slammed his head into the ground before he could even react.

 

[Eminiteable]

Big Mom vs Queen at Udon?

She grabbed and slammed his head into the ground before he could even react.

That wasn't a speed blitz though, he just didn't do anything in response. He later showed he was able to perceive marco's attacks who matched Big Mom.

Speed Blitz is the act of one attacking their opponent before they are capable of perceiving or reacting to them. Blitzing is different than outpacing, where a character is simply faster than the other. A blitz is more like an all around outclassing in speed.

 

[Kachon123]

People throw around the word blitz WAY too easily.

 

[Eseseso]

That wasn't a speed blitz though, he just didn't do anything in response.

It still shows that she's faster than Queen by a significant margin, especially since she was crazed, not in her right mind, and tired at the time.

He later showed he was able to perceive marco's attacks who matched Big Mom.

Marco easily dodged most of his attacks besides his lasers.

And Big Mom also grabbed Marco before he could react.

 

[Kachon123]

Marco easily dodged most of his attacks besides his lasers.

He only really attacked Marco once. The other ones Marco didn't even try to dodge.

 

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It still shows that she's faster than Queen by a significant margin, especially since she was crazed, not in her right mind, and tired at the time.

Not a speed blitz tho.

Marco easily dodged most of his attacks besides his lasers.

And Big Mom also grabbed Marco before he could react.

Marco being faster than Queen isn't being contested, only the BM blitzing Queen part.

Her hand is literally right next to his head after they clashed and Prometheus was overpowered.

 

[Eseseso]

Not a speed blitz tho.

Marco being faster than Queen isn't being contested, only the BM blitzing Queen part.

Her hand is literally right next to his head after they clashed and Prometheus was overpowered.

Fine, but the point is that Kidd reacted to someone who was clearly faster than the person who could react to Sanji.

This match is honestly a stomp, as Sanji has next to no win-cons.

 

[Kachon123]

the person who could react to Sanji

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[Eseseso]

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Fair point, but Kidd should still be able to react to Sanji using enhanced speed since he reacted to someone much faster than Queen.

And Sanji can't use his speed boosts forever since it drains his energy over time, so all Kidd needs to do is wait for Sanji to get exhausted, especially since Sanji will have a very hard time even hurting Kidd.

 

[Kachon123]

Kidd should still be able to react to Sanji using enhanced speed since he reacted to someone much faster than Queen.

Proof?

Sanji will have a very hard time even hurting Kidd.

He literally wouldn't due to heat that vastly surpasses what he can take and durability negation. His organs and bones would literally start getting cooked.

 

[Eseseso]

Proof?

Eustass Kid = Big Mom with all 3 Homies > Healthy Base Big Mom > Tired and Hungry Big Mom > Queen.

He definitely can react to Sanji eventually, even if he struggles at first. He can just wait until Sanji exhausts himself like he did after Queen was beaten and then go to town on him.

He literally wouldn't due to heat that vastly surpasses what he can take and durability negation. His organs and bones would literally start getting cooked.

Kidd took Big Mom's heat and was fine, Sanji's heat is not "cooking" him.

 

[Kachon123]

Tired and Hungry Big Mom > Queen.

???

 

[Kachon123]

Kidd took Big Mom's heat and was fine

Does Big Mom's heat have any feats that buts it above normal fire heat?

 

[Eseseso]

???

She attacked him before he could even react.

Does Big Mom's heat have any feats that buts it above normal fire heat?

No, but neither does Sanji's normal flames.

And Kidd also took lightning attacks, which are hotter than fire by a large margin, and he was fine.

 

[Kachon123]

She attacked him before he could even react.

I disagree.

No, but neither does Sanji's normal flames.

Yes it does.

And Kidd also took lightning attacks, which are hotter than fire by a large margin

Do you know One Piece's heat scaling..?

 

[Eseseso]

I disagree.

That's what the profile for Big Mom says, and that's what happened in the manga.

Do you know One Piece's heat scaling..?

I know Sanji's fire doesn't exceed lightning in heat.

 

[Kachon123]

I know Sanji's fire doesn't exceed lightning in heat.

It literally does LOL

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

It literally does LOL

MaKe a CrT then otherwise don't bring it up

 

[Eseseso]

It literally does LOL

Link to the CRT where this was agreed upon, because I seem to remember that in the summer it was agreed that Sanji's Ifrit Jambe is not plasma and should not be as hot as lightning.

 

[Kachon123]

That's what the profile for Big Mom says

Queen > Scabbards = Kiku = Could react to Big Mom's attack that "blitzed Queen"

 

[Eseseso]

Queen > Scabbards = Kiku = Could react to Big Mom's attack that "blitzed Queen"

?????

The Scabbards never fought Big Mom.

 

[Kachon123]

Link to the CRT where this was agreed upon, because I seem to remember that in the summer it was agreed that Sanji's Ifrit Jambe is not plasma and should not be as hot as lightning.

WCI Diable Jambe Heat > Luffy's heat resistance > Lightning Heat

 

[Kachon123]

The Scabbards never fought Big Mom.

Both Kiku and Chopper reacted to the attack.

 

[Kachon123]

Link to the CRT where this was agreed upon

https://vsbattles.com/threads/one-piece-heat-resistance-scaling.138572/

 

[Eseseso]

Both Kiku and Chopper reacted to the attack.

It wasn't aimed at them, so they had more time to react to it. Hence why we don't scale it to the speed of the relativistic Base Chopper

https://vsbattles.com/threads/one-piece-heat-resistance-scaling.138572/

1. Thank you

2. And Prometheus burned Jinbe, who scales in heat to Akainu's magma, yet Kidd ate a Heavenly Bonbon from Prometheus.

His heat resistance is the same level as Diable Jambe, and while Ifrit Jambe can burn him, I doubt it'll do enough damage to take Kidd down, and Kidd can just outlast Sanji and then flatten him.

 

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It wasn't aimed at them, so they had more time to react to it.

That's not how that works.

2. And Prometheus burned Jinbe, who scales in heat to Akainu's magma, yet Kidd ate a Heavenly Bonbon from Prometheus.

Akainu's magma tore through him without resistance, he doesn't scale at all.

 

[Kachon123]

t wasn't aimed at them, so they had more time to react to it

All three of them were both staring at Big Mom, what?

And Prometheus burned Jinbe

Scan?

 

[Lynieryz]

2. And Prometheus burned Jinbe, who scales in heat to Akainu's magma, yet Kidd ate a Heavenly Bonbon from Prometheus.

"Link to the CRT where this was agreed upon"

 

[Kachon123]

Okay, so Sanji is blitz levels faster than Kidd when using base + superspeed, Diable Jambe, Diable Jambe + superspeed, Ifrit Jambe, and Ifrit + superspeed.

Literally the only version of Sanji that Kidd can imagine keeping up with in speed is base Sanji with no amps. Sanji with Diable Jambe is already hotter than Kidd's heat resistance can handle, with Ifrit Jambe having enough heat to incapacitate him with a single hit probably.

Kidd has no haki feats, so he has only 1 layer of buso, which isn't potent enough to defend against either of Sanji's Jambes' heat.

If Kidd manages to hit Sanji with Assign, he could just tough it out until Kidd lets go and just regen afterwards.

Sanji could literally melt and evaporate all the metal in the area, which would strip Kidd of his main source of attacks, like Damned Punk, Corna Dio, and Punk Crash.

 

[Eseseso]

Akainu's magma tore through him without resistance, he doesn't scale at all.

The CRT says Jinbe scales, so he scales.

@Kachon123 , I'm sorry, but you've got to stop using the NLF with Sanji's heat and saying that it lets him beat all OP people who have the stats advantage over him. Next you'll say that Sanji beats Luffy and other Yonko with Ifrit Jambe's heat.

Kid has AP and durability and stamina by a landslide, can endure the heat of Diable Jambe, and can react to Sanji.

He also has the range advantage.

 

[Eseseso]

"Link to the CRT where this was agreed upon"

Literally says in that CRT that Jinbe scales to Akainu's magma, and @KingTempest points out in the comments that Prometheus burned Jinbe so he'd scale too.

 

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The CRT says Jinbe scales, so he scales.

The only part of Akainu's magma that Jinbe would scale to is the ambient heat, besides graded swords like WB's & Shanks' no one scales to his magma on contact.

 

[Eseseso]

Kidd has no haki feats, so he has only 1 layer of buso, which isn't potent enough to defend against either of Sanji's Jambes' heat.

Good thing his base can endure flames comparable to DJ.

If Kidd manages to hit Sanji with Assign, he could just tough it out until Kidd lets go and just regen afterwards.

Sanji could literally melt and evaporate all the metal in the area, which would strip Kidd of his main source of attacks, like Damned Punk, Corna Dio, and Punk Crash.

Tough it out?

Kidd's Punk Clash made Big Mom scream in pain and did more damage to her than she'd felt in decades.

His Punk Corna Dio broke her bones and made her scared of getting hit again.

Sanji is not surviving Kidd's best hits once he gets assigned (and I don't want to hear that he can survive yonko-level blunt force just cuz he ate one attack from Hybrid Queen), and his DJ doesn't work against really large targets when it comes to melting.

The only part of Akainu's magma that Jinbe would scale to is the ambient heat, besides graded swords like WB's & Shanks' no one scales to his magma on contact.

The CRT says Jinbe scales to the same value as DJ Sanji, so he scales.

 

[Kachon123]

@Kachon123 , I'm sorry, but you've got to stop using the NLF with Sanji's heat and saying that it lets him beat all OP people who have the stats advantage over him.

Saying that Sanji's heat would effect someone who doesn't have the level of heat resistance required to resist it isn't NLF. I'm sorry that Oda made Sanji's fighting style revolve around his speed and flames? Not much I can do about that.

 

[Eseseso]

Saying that Sanji's heat would effect someone who doesn't have the level of heat resistance required to resist it isn't NLF. I'm sorry that Oda made Sanji's fighting style revolve around his speed and flames? Not much I can do about that.

What I meant is that you've done this with Sanji's matches against people like Zoro, King, and Law.

You say that Sanji melts anything and blitzes everyone, when that has always been proven to not be the case.