DaMonkeMan
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This isn't exactly relevant, but he definitely doesn't.
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One Piece: Sanji vs Fujitora
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DaMonkeMan
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Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure that something on the profiles doesn't need a CRT unless it's wrong, but this isn't wrong, so..
Anyway, I don't know why you'd feel the need to bring up Kizaru's AP < Sanji's AP, not only is it false but it makes no sense to bring it up here.
Anyway, I don't know why you'd feel the need to bring up Kizaru's AP < Sanji's AP, not only is it false but it makes no sense to bring it up here.
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Hate to burst your bubble, but you are wrong.
You need a CRT for any addition that is not on the profiles to be used in a vs match.
DaMonkeMan
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My argument wasn't just that Issho is comparable to Kizaru and Aramaki, though that one is also true, it was that Issho has:
Better AP
Better Observation
Better Range
Arguably more experience
And better Haki.
Better AP
Better Observation
Better Range
Arguably more experience
And better Haki.
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Based on?
Based on?
Based on?
Based on?
DaMonkeMan
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I'm not quite sure you understand what you're even saying right now.
You claim Sanji is stronger than Kizaru, but you'd need to prove that, especially since the profiles actually do say otherwise.
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I will prove that when you make the CRT to make Issho = Kizaru. As things stand right now, this is an irrelevant point to argue.
DaMonkeMan
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Literal troll argument.
In conclusion, voting Issho for:
And although it's in a panel that contains an outlier, we see him use visibily black Armament on his entire sword here:
He could also match Zoro, Luffy, and Sabo's Armament Haki. All of which scale to.. About 3-4 layers? Well, we know Zoro clapped Pica's full body Armament and Luffy's Armament > Doffy's Armament ~ Law's Armament > Vergo's Armament.
In terms of Observation, his is very good.
He can precisely drop rubble on only the enemy fleets, with none of it hitting the Grand Fleet or Thousand Sunny.
He can also find and drop meteors all the way from space to hit opponents.
He also matched a kick from Sabo, who used his DF, while a basic kick from Sabo had damaged Burgess and knocked him away.
Which is impressive, considering Sabo's kick did about as much damage to a stronger version of Burgess than Sengoku's shockwave did to a weaker version.
Better Range
Better Observation
Better Armament
Better AP
etc.
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Debunked that already with this response.
DaMonkeMan
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Also I didn't bother to read this, because I figured it'd mostly be bullshit ( and I was right ), but this is almost completely wrong.
One: Marco already scales above Sanji and Queen due to scaling to the Admirals and making Zoan Queen cough blood and yell with a fireball.
Two: What you listed for Issho shows that his Haki is like, 3 layers. Also, sorry if this is a bother, but may you prove Sanji's Haki got better from the BoTS and Dressrosa keys?
DaMonkeMan
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Also, you're claiming Kizaru > Issho and Aramaki, right?
Do you have any proof for this? Far as I know he was never directly stated to be above them.
Faster, possibly, but not better in any other stats.
And you never actually addressed the Observation feat I brought up, you just claimed that his Observation only scales to Doflamingo's, which again doesn't make sense because Issho wasn't exactly trying to defeat him there anyway, and iirc it was a 1v1v1 between him Law and Doffy.
Do you have any proof for this? Far as I know he was never directly stated to be above them.
Faster, possibly, but not better in any other stats.
And you never actually addressed the Observation feat I brought up, you just claimed that his Observation only scales to Doflamingo's, which again doesn't make sense because Issho wasn't exactly trying to defeat him there anyway, and iirc it was a 1v1v1 between him Law and Doffy.
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Haki grows when you get pushed hard. His fight with Vergo fulfills the requirements.
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Feats.
DaMonkeMan
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I read it wrong, never mind that.
This would be true, however we don't see him use Haki against Vergo.
Such as?
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Not needed.
DaMonkeMan
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It is.
You don't just magically get better Haki without using it in the fight.
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Rather, statements.
He was stated to be the strongest fighter in the Marines, as were Kuzan and Sakazuki, who scale above Issho and Aramaki.
DaMonkeMan
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This was before Issho and Aramaki joined the navy, so you'd need to prove that the statement is still valid upon them joining.
Because as far as I'm aware, their power and charisma were deemed as worthy enough to replace the gaps left by Sakazuki and Kuzan, which implies they have power relative to their's.
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Haki gets better when your're is pushed.
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I was referring to PTS Akainu and Kuzan, who still scale higher than Issho and Aramaki.
DaMonkeMan
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Not how it works little buddy.
PTS as in Post Timeskip right?
Not sure how you think that, though.
Akainu, sure, as he beat Kuzan extreme diff and is now the FA.
But what would put Kuzan over them?
Again, they thought they were strong enough to replace Kuzan and Sakazuki in terms of power. Why would they do this if they were actually inferior? Doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
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TS = Timeskip
PTS = Pre-Timeskip
DaMonkeMan
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Is this serious or are you just acting like a demented dingbat?
Ah, then you're completely wrong.
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Godernet
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If we were voting off of Narrative I’d probably say Fuji. But this is strictly based on feats and whose argument is more convincing.
And Sanji definitely has better Speed, Ap, Endurance, and Haki feats rn. That could change eventually but for now Sanji wins solely off of having more showings.
And Sanji definitely has better Speed, Ap, Endurance, and Haki feats rn. That could change eventually but for now Sanji wins solely off of having more showings.
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Keep coping that Kachon is giving you the meat rn. Yes my vote’s serious put me down for Wanji @ZKillerz
DaMonkeMan
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Ah, alright then.
How does he have superior AP?
None of that says that your Haki passively grows when you aren't using it in a fight.
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Haki develops simply by being in the heat of battle. I know you've read One Piece. Stop being disingenuous.
DaMonkeMan
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Oh brother.
DaMonkeMan
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Can someone list wincons btw
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I vote for issho, I don't see sanji winning. Sanji only has speed an durability over him. Everything else falls to issho. Both arguments sum butt.
Sanji's haki jump from being helmeppo lvl since wholecake to being on par with admirals in a span of 2-3weeks ain't adding up. No sir, his buso has always been terrible. He's only able to contend due to raid suit or his robot lineage factor.
Issho has more range and versatility being able to accurately lift and move rubble around the surrounding area to attack sanji, pinn him or chibaku tensei his ass.
Send him out orbit or sum by bfr.
Attack redirection with gravity.
better observation haki.
Once sanji is pinned by issho, he meteor spams or bfr by sending him 6ft under. Gg
My vote goes to issho. I will continue to read.
Sanji's haki jump from being helmeppo lvl since wholecake to being on par with admirals in a span of 2-3weeks ain't adding up. No sir, his buso has always been terrible. He's only able to contend due to raid suit or his robot lineage factor.
Issho has more range and versatility being able to accurately lift and move rubble around the surrounding area to attack sanji, pinn him or chibaku tensei his ass.
Send him out orbit or sum by bfr.
Attack redirection with gravity.
better observation haki.
Once sanji is pinned by issho, he meteor spams or bfr by sending him 6ft under. Gg
My vote goes to issho. I will continue to read.
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Based on?
Prove this.
Sanji can simply destroy it or blitz it with his superior speed.
Sanji has greater LS, so this isn't happening.
DaMonkeMan
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Nice.
6-2.
iirc AP goes to Issho, Stamina is debatable ( Issho should scale above his stamina if we scale him to the other Admirals, 2 of which had fought for 10 days )
Btw, how does he have superior LS?
Godernet
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Superior AP feats*
One stalemated Sabo who doesn’t really chain off anyone.
the other deep fried an Ancient Zoan Cyborg who scales to at least 5 other strong people in that tier.
Sanji just has a higher chain since unfortunately most of Fujis feats are against Dressrosa characters who are fodder (relatively speaking) to the god tiers.
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Based on?
It's really not.
Issho LS > Dressrosa Luffy LS < Post-Udon Luffy LS < Queen LS < Exo Sanji LS
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