Sanji Fights Another Supernova

[Kachon123]

In DBZ, when someone fires hundreds of small attacks, does each of those attacks have more power than a Kamehameha?

How am I supposed to know? I'm not knowledgable on Dragon Ball.

each Kaifu was as strong as a charged up and named attack from Big Mom, Kaido would either scale leagues above BM

We currently have Dragon Kaido > Single Homie Big Mom, so what's your point?

or run out of stamina quickly.

Why?

 

[Kachon123]

Lmfao. By your logic, Kaifu wasn't shown to have Haki either, so..

I never claimed it did.

Also the profiles aren't always right.

Unless you can prove them to be wrong, then I don't see why we can't use them, especially since they're the profiles of the wiki that we're using to debate on.

 

[DaMonkeMan]

We currently have Dragon Kaido > Single Homie Big Mom, so what's your point?

Not every attack in that form scales above every attack in her form.
It's like saying Red Roc isn't above or equal to a Kong Gun, because the latter is in G4 and not G3.

 

[Kachon123]

It's like saying Red Roc isn't above or equal to a Kong Gun, because the latter is in G4 and not G3.

Red Roc is weaker than Kong Gun.

 

[DaMonkeMan]

Red Roc is weaker than Kong Gun.

Proof?

 

[Kachon123]

Proof?

What?

 

[DaMonkeMan]

Proof, it means provided evidence of your claim.

 

[Kachon123]

Gear 4 is stronger than Gear 3.

Red Roc is a normal Gear 3 attack imbued with flames which add durability negation. Why would it be more powerful that Kong Gun?

 

[DaMonkeMan]

Pretty sure Red Roc also had Haki in it but go off.

 

[Kachon123]

Pretty sure Red Roc also had Haki in it but go off.

Well yeah, but that doesn't change it anything, as either way it'd still be weaker than Kong Gun.

 

[DaMonkeMan]

Eh, you get my point.
Kaidou being superior to BM in that form doesn't mean every single attack is above her's.

 

[Kachon123]

Kaidou being superior to BM in that form doesn't mean every single attack is above her's.

I mean I guess, but there's nothing that indicates otherwise here.

 

[Kachon123]

Okay, so going back to the original debate, Sanji's AP is more than enough to destroy Kidd's metal structures, which means that this would happen:

Kidd's attacks are so easily readable and easily breakable, so Sanji could destroy his metal and combo Kidd before he can bring them back together to retaliate

If anyone disagrees, can you reply to it so we can go back to talking about Kidd vs Sanji?

 

[DaMonkeMan]

I already debunked that.
Plus Kidd can just put the structures back together.

 

[Kachon123]

I already debunked that.

With what?

Plus Kidd can just put the structures back together.

combo Kidd before he can bring them back together

 

[DaMonkeMan]

If he tries to combo him he's gonna get repelled and slammed into a wall because Kidd only has to touch him to throw him around.

With what?

Big Mom couldn't break out of Assign, even though she has better Haki than Sanji and Kidd, so no. Sanji isn't breaking out.

Also While Sanji is busy breaking the metal Kidd can charge up Damned Punk and head shot him

 

[Kachon123]

If he tries to combo him he's gonna get repelled and slammed into a wall because Kidd only has to touch him to throw him around.

Also While Sanji is busy breaking the metal Kidd can charge up Damned Punk and head shot him

Brother, your arguments have bring brought up in my initial post. Please reply to each one and thoroughly address them with scans.

 

[DaMonkeMan]

I literally did that not long after you posted that.
I can provide scans but you've seen the fights so unless you have bad memory or can't read the profiles I don't know why I have to provide them.

 

[Kachon123]

I literally did that not long after you posted that.

You did not.

 

[DaMonkeMan]

You did not.

I think it's that he didn't use an "effect" on her.
Like teleporting BM, that's an effect, something that actually changes the person you're attacking.
Using Gamma Knife or Shock Wille is not, the person stays the same besides the popped organs and broken bones, it's not a sort of status effect.
Hard to explain honestly.

What a troll lol

He isn't blitz levels above, dude was struggling against Queen, who got stomped by a pretty casual Big Mom, who is far below the version of BM Law and Kidd kept up with and hurt.
"Flames with extreme heat" Lmfao. Queen could take that heat. Sanji had to use.. what.. 12 attacks on a half conscious Queen to knock him out? Here, Kidd has metal structures to help guard, and he also took attacks from BM's homies so it's not like Sanji's heat is gonna clap him anyway.
Also that panel of Sanji tricking Bon is because he couldn't hit him when he had Nami's face, so he just made him touch his own. Different things, and Kidd isn't gonna be stupid enough to touch his own face.
Kidd is not gonna scream in pain from Ifrit's heat, and that's not only for the reason I listed in my second sentence but also because Jabra had literally zero heat resistance so using a panel of him getting charred by DJ isn't valid. Again, a half conscious and beaten down Queen could take it to the point where Sanji needed 10+ attacks to finally get him out of the battlefield and knock him out. The heat is good, but it's nothing crazy.
Big Mom couldn't break out of Assign, even though she has better Haki than Sanji and Kidd, so no. Sanji isn't breaking out.

Uh, you mean Kidd?
Edit: Voting Kidd btw

 

[Eseseso]

I mean, Kidd did eat a Heavenly Bonbon with no issue.

 

[DaMonkeMan]

I mean, Kidd did eat a Heavenly Bonbon with no issue.

Yeah I said that before.
So Sanji's heat shouldn't be a huge problem.

 

[TauanVictor]

Sanji FRA

 

[DaMonkeMan]

Sanji FRA

 

[Eseseso]

Sanji FRA

Don't really understand this, but I like the profile pic

 

[TauanVictor]

Don't really understand this, but I like the profile pic

Thanks bro.

It's because I agreed with Kachon's arguments here. Sanji has other advantages that are being ignored.

 

[DaMonkeMan]

Sanji has other advantages that are being ignored.

Which are?

 

[Kachon123]

Yeah I said that before.
So Sanji's heat shouldn't be a huge problem.

He got damaged by Heavenly Bon Bons, so it's not a heat resistance feat.

Kidd gets melted.

 

[DaMonkeMan]

He got damaged by Heavenly Bon Bons, so it's not a heat resistance feat.

Kidd gets melted.

He was barely damaged by that lol.

 

[Kachon123]

He was barely damaged by that lol.

Durability not heat resistance.

 

[DaMonkeMan]

Durability not heat resistance.

What are you talking about
Tanking a fireball without any protection is heat resistance

 

[Kachon123]

What are you talking about
Tanking a fireball without any protection is heat resistance

Is there proof that he wasn't burned?

 

[Eseseso]

Is there proof that he wasn't burned?

 

[Kachon123]

His face seems scorched.

 

[That_moron2]

He's blitz levels faster than Kidd so landing attacks that require aiming like Assign, Damned Punk, etc. won't work

Big Mom without her years of experience was getting combos off on Queen with relative ease. Kidd dodges her attacks so no Sanji cannot blitz him.

Flames with extreme heat so he'd probably die after getting hit a couple times due to his lack of heat resistance

Layers of metal make it so that he can't hit Kidd.

Sanji's regen that would allow him to recover from crushing attacks

Fair enough.

Kidd's attacks are so easily readable and easily breakable, so Sanji could destroy his metal and combo Kidd before he can bring them back together to retaliate

? Kidd has so many possible things he can do with his power. How the **** are his moves readable?

1. This only happened because Big Mom punched Kidd into the ground. Sanji has almost never done this, therefore if anything, Kidd would be hit back, and then Sanji would use that knockback as a combo extender to finish him with a deadly combo and even deadlier finisher

He's never gonna hit Kidd.

2. Kidd would not be able to keep his cool and use endurance to take the attack to his advantage to land a hit, as he would be like Jabra after being hit with Diable Jambe, screaming in pain as Ifrit's heat cooks him inside and out.

Ifrit isn't that hot. Kidd can fight after being pummeled by Big Mom, and using his awakening which consumes immense amounts of stamina. Kidd's stamina>>>Jabra's.

And for the off-chance that Sanji get's hit with Assign, there's reason to believe that he could just break out of it with Haki, and don't ply the the "there's no proof that haki can negate awakening affects,"or the "Kidd's haki is stronger than Sanji" cards, because they are flawed:

No reason to believe he couldn't.

2. Kidd has like... no haki layer feats? Sanji on the other hand does, therefore, Kidd has no wincons that would allow him to take out Sanji.

No he doesn't. Sanji's only haki feats are against non-haki users.

 

[Kachon123]

Big Mom without her years of experience was getting combos off on Queen

This just never happened.

Kidd dodges her attacks so no Sanji cannot blitz him.

Hypothetical Ifrit + Super Speed Sanji > Ifrit Jambe > DJ + Super Speed Sanji > DJ Sanji > Base Sanji + Super Speed > Pre-Exo DJ Sanji (FTE)> Queen Perception ~ Hybrid Marco ~ Big Mom ~ Kidd

How the **** are his moves readable?

Because he either shoots you away with repel, pins you down with assign, uses projectiles, or slams you to the ground. Plus, Sanji has kenbun, so that makes his attacks even easier to read.

He's never gonna hit Kidd.

Sanji is blitz levels faster than Kidd, also Kidd rarely dodges.

Ifrit isn't that hot. Kidd can fight after being pummeled by Big Mom, and using his awakening which consumes immense amounts of stamina. Kidd's stamina>>>Jabra's.

Having good stamina doesn't mean that you don't react to extreme heat.

No he doesn't. Sanji's only haki feats are against non-haki users.

Send a single Kidd haki layer feat.

 

[DaMonkeMan]

Because he either shoots you away with repel, pins you down with assign, uses projectiles, or slams you to the ground. Plus, Sanji has kenbun, so that makes his attacks even easier to read.

BM has Observation and couldn't stop him from getting hits in.

Sanji is blitz levels faster than Kidd, also Kidd rarely dodges.

That headcanon go crazy don't it?

 

[That_moron2]

This just never happened.

https://cdn.****************.com/file/opctcb/onepiece/onepiecechapters_945_16.jpg

Because he either shoots you away with repel, pins you down with assign, uses projectiles, or slams you to the ground. Plus, Sanji has kenbun, so that makes his attacks even easier to read.

That is 1, 2, 3, 4 different attacks, all of varying sizes, from different angles. Also Sanji has metal in his bones.

Sanji is blitz levels faster than Kidd, also Kidd rarely dodges.

No he ******* isn't. As seen above Kidd=>Big Mom>O-Lin>>Queen. How is Sanji going to navigate the tons of scrap metal being hurled at his ass? He is never ever hitting Kidd.

Having good stamina doesn't mean that you don't react to extreme heat.

Kidd never screamed once throughout all of that. His pain tolerance is great. Queen was screaming in pain from a weakened Big Mom. And didn't scream in pain from Ifrit.

Send a single Kidd haki layer feat.

Send a single Sanji haki layer feat. Also as you yourself have acknowledged awakenings don't circumvent haki barriers, and inspite of that Kidd could affect Big Mom with his awakening.

 

[Kachon123]

https://cdn.****************.com/file/opctcb/onepiece/onepiecechapters_945_16.jpg

Where is the combo?

Also Sanji has metal in his bones.

No he doesn't lmfao

No he ******* isn't. As seen above Kidd=>Big Mom>O-Lin>>Queen. How is Sanji going to navigate the tons of scrap metal being hurled at his ass? He is never ever hitting Kidd.

Hypothetical Ifrit + Super Speed Sanji > Ifrit Jambe > DJ + Super Speed Sanji > DJ Sanji > Base Sanji + Super Speed > Pre-Exo DJ Sanji (FTE)> Queen Perception ~ Hybrid Marco ~ Big Mom ~ Kidd

Send a single Sanji haki layer feat

His fight with Judge.

 

[That_moron2]

His fight with Judge.

That's not a feat. That's just that noting he can use it. Which Kidd also can.