MCU Phase 4 General Discussion Thread

[Dalesean027]

You can take that as i'm so sensitive if that's the case
Mostly because when i hate something i just let it move on instead bantering it like a madman lel

As usual, anxiety lel
Whenever someone wrote that i suspecting that person is mad at me

It's fine like I said I'm literally just chilling rn there's been no bad energy or grudges I apologize for going in on the movie the way I did in me and coolboys talk but it is just that my opinion on it nothing more, it's not more relevant or less than anyone else's and I respect that

 

[Dinobot1996]

I mean he also stunned thanos with an explosion grenade

That seems like it might be a good addition for the AP section with weaponry. The Energy Bola and Gravity Mine should probably be removed from the AP section, and just kept in the LS section.

Was there ever a calc done for Yondu and Star-Lord escaping Ego? That seems like a good speed feat for Aero-Rigs.

This might potentially be useful as a durability feat, depending on whether or not we assume anyone was still in the Laser Drill when it exploded.

 

[Lonkitt]

Attack Potency: At most Building level (Fought the Abilisk. Killed multiple soldiers of Thanos' army. Held his own against Gamora), likely higher with weaponry (Restrained Spider-Man in the Iron Spider suit with his Energy Bola and threatened to kill him with his blasters. His Plasma Spheres can disintegrate two Sakaaran soldiers. His Quad Blasters can harm the likes of Korath. Incapacitated Gamora with the taser barrel of his blaster. Briefly pinned Iron Man against a wall with his Gravity Mine)

Lifting Strength: Class 25 (Somewhat comparable to Gamora). At least Class 100, likely far higher with gadgets (Caught and restrained Spider-Man with his Energy Bola. Iron Man and a subdued Thanos could not break free of his Gravity Mine)

I guess that would be Class T with Gravity Mines, though I feel like the LS gadget feats also being included as AP feats seems iffy.

Insane how much this needs an overhaul, this is messy af

 

[CharlesZaGreat]

Was anyone able to hurt Groot in the first Guardians movie? Cause if not, then we could potentially scale him higher due to Gamora's god killer supposedly killing Asgardians

 

[CharlesZaGreat]

This might potentially be useful as a durability feat, depending on whether or not we assume anyone was still in the Laser Drill when it exploded.

Peter, Yondu, and Nebula straight up tank that shit. They were definitely in that explosion

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

Was anyone able to hurt Groot in the first Guardians movie? Cause if not, then we could potentially scale him higher due to Gamora's god killer supposedly killing Asgardians

I’m pretty sure drax tore throw his vines

 

[Lonkitt]

I can start up some drafts, though I heavily recommend any calcers to consider tackling those feats. It wouldn’t change the course of MCU scaling, but it would certainly change lots for the Guardians

 

[Coolboy6]

Not at all I'm literally just chilling playing overwatch with my gf? I don't understand weird attitude you're taking about this

Bro’s accomplished more than I have throughout my life

 

[CharlesZaGreat]

Also, Yondu should be moved into Guardians of the Galaxy sections rather than neutral.

 

[Jimmy.robinson.5099]

The strongest person on the MCU Thunderbolts is Bucky

Slightly stronger than Super Soldiers Sentry Incoming…

I knew the Thunderbolts were more-or-less Marvel's version of the Suicide Squad, but they seem to be taking the "Suicide" part a bit too literally...

 

[Valiant_Abyss]

Dale hasn’t even hated on LaT that much back off y’all lol. If he wants to call it dog shit let him. People have said worse about other mcu products in this thread, not sure why it’s an issue now.

 

[DuDE01010]

I can't believe after all this time people are still falling for leakers' BS lol

 

[Newendigo]

Wong bros... we got called out.

 

[Excellence616]

Wong bros... we got called out.

I have been beginning to think what has happened to MCU?

 

[Lonkitt]

Why do YouTubers make these weird TNs for MCU stuff, I will literally never watch a video like this because of the TN alone

 

[Dalesean027]

TNs

I'm a dummy what's a TN?

 

[Aguywhodoesthings]

I'm a dummy what's a TN?

if i had to guess it'd say ThumbNail

 

[Dalesean027]

if i had to guess it'd say ThumbNail

Bruh fr then I really am dumb

 

[Lonkitt]

if i had to guess it'd say ThumbNail

That is correct

 

[Lonkitt]

I need an excuse to post a skill scaling chain I made between the non-Thor AP level and above characters from the movies (at least the ones that were relevant for some revisions I was doing at the time), tell me if this is a good idea to put it here

 

[Aguywhodoesthings]

I need an excuse to post a skill scaling chain I made between the non-Thor level and above characters from the movies (at least the ones that were relevant for some revisions I was doing at the time), tell me if this is a good idea to put it here

yeah seems fine go ahead

 

[ArkhamDC06]

I'm not against it personally

 

[Lonkitt]

Cap/Black Panther >>> Early Spider-Man >>> Winter Soldier >> Falcon/Black Widow/Yelena/Hawkeye >>> SHIELD Agents/Hydra Agents > Common Military Soldiers

I put “Early Spider-Man” since he definitely gains more skill and experience after Homecoming. I’ve seen people argue either way on whether current Spider-Man would match or surpass Steve’s skill or insist that Steve is still more skilled. But we do know via Tony's word that Cap is significantly more skilled than him at an early stage

 

[ArkhamDC06]

Cap would definitely be more skilled in terms of martial abilities I believe

 

[Lonkitt]

This one honestly never sat well with me, but I'm not gonna argue against it

It is what the kids nowadays refer to as a "skill issue"

 

[Propellus]

Didn't Spidey easily catch his arm and practically mocked him and took him down along with Falcon?

 

[Lonkitt]

Yeah, Spidey pretty much styled on them

Bucky even asked Falcon why he didn't call in Redwing earlier, which supports the fact that the two were struggling hard and needed the assistance of some more powerful equipment

Also Falcon literally shot a MISSILE at the dude, I wouldn't call that holding back

 

[Lonkitt]

Also if anyone's curious about how I think the skill scaling goes for dudes like Thor, Ikaris, etc.....I forgor

Somebody like Thor is certainly above Cap/Black Panther level, I can say that

 

[Coolboy6]

Cap/Black Panther >>> Early Spider-Man >>> Winter Soldier >> Falcon/Black Widow/Yelena/Hawkeye >>> SHIELD Agents/Hydra Agents > Common Military Soldiers

I put “Early Spider-Man” since he definitely gains more skill and experience after Homecoming. I’ve seen people argue either way on whether current Spider-Man would match or surpass Steve’s skill or insist that Steve is still more skilled. But we do know via Tony's word that Cap is significantly more skilled than him at an early stage

Did Cap do some training after Winter Soldier because in that movie, Cap was dead even with Bucky with the latter overpowering him with this arm

 

[Propellus]

Wasn't Cap holding back against Bucky in their last fight scene? He hardly even tried to fight him

 

[Lonkitt]

Did Cap do some training after Winter Soldier because in that movie, Cap was dead even with Bucky with the latter overpowering him with this arm

A) After learning who the Winter Soldier was, Cap literally defeated Bucky while making it clear he was holding back
B) Bucky only overpowered Steve with his metal arm
C) Cap only took the beating that he did in the end because he, again, made it clear he wasn’t gonna hurt his friend
D) Steve being well above Bucky’s skill level is further supported by Spider-Man outskilling Bucky and Falcon at the same time (Peter’s display in Berlin was complimented by Tony in the Wakanda Files, so what I’m about to say next has more ground to it). Tony stating that Steve could’ve significantly outskilled Spider-Man makes it clear there’s a clearly sizeable gap in skill between Cap and Bucky

 

[CharlesZaGreat]

Isn't the power broker serum comparable or possibly superior to the serum that Steve took? Bucky without a doubt has a weaker serum running through him though

 

[Dalesean027]

Isn't the power broker serum comparable or possibly superior to the serum that Steve took? Bucky without a doubt has a weaker serum running through him though

Yes its stated to be superior and we see that with how it took both Bucky and Sam to overpower Walker

 

[Propellus]

Yes its stated to be superior and we see that with how it took both Bucky and Sam to overpower Walker

They did struggle a lot against him, especially when he ripped off Falcon's metal wings clean off

 

[Lonkitt]

They gave the strongest Serum to the biggest loser

 

[Jimmy.robinson.5099]

They gave the strongest Serum to the biggest loser

Clearly, they learned nothing from Homelander...

 

[CharlesZaGreat]

They gave the strongest Serum to the biggest loser

No one gave John shit. He just took it

John and Flag smasher are currently the strongest street tier characters, unless you want to make an argument for Spider-Man

 

[Propellus]

I'd usually say High-Tier Street levelers would work here for characters who are 8-C

 

[Lonkitt]

No one gave John shit. He just took it

John and Flag smasher are currently the strongest street tier characters, unless you want to make an argument for Spider-Man

I’d Spider-Man is at the top while using the Iron Spider

 

[CharlesZaGreat]

Bucky, Taskmaster, and Red Guardian got that off-brand shit running through their system