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Nah I gotta disagree with you there imo love and thunder was absolutely complete dogshit with the only thing we got cool was a valid 5-A MCU which isn't even an attribute to the movie's quality itself
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MCU Phase 4 General Discussion Thread
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Yes that works perfectly
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Love and Thunder has a few things i like about it (Gorr and the soundtrack) but that's about it
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Love & Thunder at least had a genuinely good antagonist, better actors, higher stakes and I can only agree with the whole "They're not terrorists" shitty line
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I just happen to like wacky movies and such, but there are some flaws that I’ve noticed such as some wacky moments taking away from some emotional moments and Gorr not having enough screen time but I still enjoyed the wacky Taika humor
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I personally still don't like Gorr's portrayal still too jokey for me and the whole motivation of Thor combating him is because of the most boring cliche shit with just kidnapping kids and no lesson was learned on Thor's part from Gorr's actions, Thor was exactly the kind of God Gorr was combating and there absolutely was a line like that with Valkyrie asking gorr why he's "killing innocent gods" when the movie goes out of it's way to prove gorr is right about how gods are with Thor and no one else being the acception to this but at the end Gorr has to dumbly admit he's wrong when nothing the whole movie disproved his point aside from thor just loving jane which was one of the weakest shows of talk no jutsu
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Gorr was wasted down the toilet anyways
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Oh don't get me wrong, I don't disagree that he was badly used, in fact like I said after the movie, I think he shouldn't have been chosen as the main villain for a comedic movie like this, I just think that in terms of pure quality, he's actually pretty good (the best parts of the movie are easily all the times he's there)
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The opening scene in LaT was honestly so good
They definatly should've used Gorr more in the movie
They definatly should've used Gorr more in the movie
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It just shouldn't have had a story sacrificed for comedy and weak jokes, none really hit for me and while the performances were given effort on leads parts there was too much negative and far too many jokes there were all bad for me to sing any praise especially with a story so weak that it has to use kidnapping children as a motivation for the hero
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They literally didn't even take the climatic fights on Gorr's planet and at eternity's place seriously they made that a joke
Some reason we're also ignoring they regressed Thor to being an even bigger ass and worse character and person than when he was when he was stripped of his godhood in Thor 1 (which opposed to this was good characterization). I think that without a doubt if Odin was still alive Thor's punishment for his actions in that movie would probably be far more severe than just losing his godhood like in Thor 1, the dude literally is one of the most pretentious assholes in love and thunder and basked in his godhood just destroying shit and letting innocents die without helping until they practically worshipped him for help even then destroying their sacred places juxtapose that to the God Butcher Storyline in the comics which shows Thor commiting countless charitable acts and showing genuine concern and love for mortals and his fellow gods who were killed by gorr one has nuace the other is a glorified child
Some reason we're also ignoring they regressed Thor to being an even bigger ass and worse character and person than when he was when he was stripped of his godhood in Thor 1 (which opposed to this was good characterization). I think that without a doubt if Odin was still alive Thor's punishment for his actions in that movie would probably be far more severe than just losing his godhood like in Thor 1, the dude literally is one of the most pretentious assholes in love and thunder and basked in his godhood just destroying shit and letting innocents die without helping until they practically worshipped him for help even then destroying their sacred places juxtapose that to the God Butcher Storyline in the comics which shows Thor commiting countless charitable acts and showing genuine concern and love for mortals and his fellow gods who were killed by gorr one has nuace the other is a glorified child
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Zeus is there
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Zeus (Marvel Cinematic Universe)
Zeus Panhellenios is the King of the Olympians and the Greco-Roman God of the Sky who led a meeting of the gods in Omnipotence City, ignoring the pleas of the interrupting Thor warning the gods of the threat of Gorr the God Butcher. Their disagreement led to confrontation, culminating in Zeus...
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Zeus isn't MHS+, he's Rel+Zeus is there
Zeus (Marvel Cinematic Universe)
Zeus Panhellenios is the King of the Olympians and the Greco-Roman God of the Sky who led a meeting of the gods in Omnipotence City, ignoring the pleas of the interrupting Thor warning the gods of the threat of Gorr the God Butcher. Their disagreement led to confrontation, culminating in Zeus...
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Yeah, because if you actually listened, Gorr whole ass motivation was to go to Eternity to make his wish
Thor wasn’t “trying” to “destroy shit” and “let innocents die” like bro where did that even come from
Thor was CLEARLY doing his best to PROTECT THE VILLAGERS or it could be that Thor wasn’t used to his level of strength after training. Meanwhile In Thor 1, he was just GEOCODING THE FROST GIANTS WITH NO REAL REASON. Thor since then has grown as a person and is trying everything he can to be a hero even after all he has lost. Thor thought the Guardians had it all taken care of until they needed his helpMCU Thor is that but with humor and such
Unless you actually give me valid reasons to why the movie was “dogshit”, I’m gonna have to disagree
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I know this? What does that have to do with them making the climatic fights a joke
Bruh he literally refused to help the people on that planet while they were in the middle of being occupied and killed by invaders until star lord and mantis begged him and fed his ego until he finally got up and did something and remember they still made it clear thor had not been helpful prior that's why they wanted him gone...so yes he let innocents die and he did indeed destroy their sacred landmark in his battle with people purely for theatrics. Thor has indeed grown as a person throughout every film he's been in since the first Thor and that's what makes this film so egregious since it backtracks on all of that heavily and damn near throws it all away for a more childish ThorThor wasn’t “trying” to “destroy shit” and “let innocents die” like bro where did that even come from
was that in prior films he literally was the opposite in LaT
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Dude, have a heart. Thor wanted the kids to feel powerful and not scared so he wanted them to be warriors. Not every kid gets to have the powers of Thor and fight in a battlefield
How was he supposed to know that they needed help? That team saved the Galaxy many times. Thor ended up helping when they needed it. Simple. You act like Thor was a monster when he wasn’t helping at first when in the first movie, he was killing frost giants who were defending themselves. So this is better than the egotistical and misguided Thor we got in the first movie. The people presented them goats that while annoying and loud, they were still helpful in the battle on the tiny moon and for space travel. So they were presenting them with a meaningful reward for their admittedly flawed help. Better than anything Thor did before his banishment to earth
Because before, Thor actually was killing innocents before he was banished to earth? And here he actually tried to help out even with not the right methods?
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I already said it and I'll say it again, the reason Thor becoming more fun-and-jockey in Ragnarok worked is because Ragnarok actually handled the balance between humor and seriousness correctly. Thor was sometimes ridiculous but he wasn't a complete joke who suddenly became a punching bad for the movie's jokes just to make fun of him like "Oh look, he's supposed to be a dignified god but we make him ridiculous just to deconstruct him, lol". The movie knew how to make things serious and keep them serious when it was needed and Hela was dark but had a theatrical side and dark humor that fit the rest
L&T not only made Thor more ridiculous than epic, it didn't know how to handle its humor and balance it correctly. No, showing Thor failling at producing an epic speech to the Asgardians and turning him into a joke while children have been abducted by a mass murderer is not funny nor good. No, deciding that Jane should focus more on finding a catchphrase instead of focusing on something more serious, like (I don't know) her cancer is not a good idea. No, giving her powers because her boyfriend wanted to protect her and not because she was worthy on her own wasn't good either. No, making Thor look more ridiculous, showing him beingt flustered like a clumsy teenager, failing at making a speech and turning a scene about rescuing abducted children into a joke, etc, wasn't a good idea (and don't talk about deconstructing him, deconstruction is NOT some perfect technique that instantly makes everything good, deep and clever, it can be badly handled, just look at SW VIII which had both excellent and shitty stuff at the same time).
That's the Endgame Thor problem again, taking something that should be treated seriously, or at least with limited humor only, and turning it into a complete joke just because "serious and dark are bad, humor and jokes are good".
I don't think the movie was doggshit like Dale, it was actually entertaining in many ways but I also definitely agree that it wasn't a good movie, it was meh at best and it was too jokey. And Gorr shouldn't have been in the movie, this antagonist is way too dark and monstruous for a plot like this, they should have gone for a villain that could have been made lighter in tone without completely destroying seriousness in the movie, like Amora.
L&T not only made Thor more ridiculous than epic, it didn't know how to handle its humor and balance it correctly. No, showing Thor failling at producing an epic speech to the Asgardians and turning him into a joke while children have been abducted by a mass murderer is not funny nor good. No, deciding that Jane should focus more on finding a catchphrase instead of focusing on something more serious, like (I don't know) her cancer is not a good idea. No, giving her powers because her boyfriend wanted to protect her and not because she was worthy on her own wasn't good either. No, making Thor look more ridiculous, showing him beingt flustered like a clumsy teenager, failing at making a speech and turning a scene about rescuing abducted children into a joke, etc, wasn't a good idea (and don't talk about deconstructing him, deconstruction is NOT some perfect technique that instantly makes everything good, deep and clever, it can be badly handled, just look at SW VIII which had both excellent and shitty stuff at the same time).
That's the Endgame Thor problem again, taking something that should be treated seriously, or at least with limited humor only, and turning it into a complete joke just because "serious and dark are bad, humor and jokes are good".
I don't think the movie was doggshit like Dale, it was actually entertaining in many ways but I also definitely agree that it wasn't a good movie, it was meh at best and it was too jokey. And Gorr shouldn't have been in the movie, this antagonist is way too dark and monstruous for a plot like this, they should have gone for a villain that could have been made lighter in tone without completely destroying seriousness in the movie, like Amora.
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That and Gorr (and some, I say some landscapes and the battle in the Shadow Realm)
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We all knew that wasn't even going to fly
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The whole children being kidnapped was a weak plot point to begin with to have to resort to that to move the film forward at all shows how lacking the story's development was in that regard. I have no qualms with him making the kids feel powerful but that doesn't change the fact it was all played as a joke
Two wrongs don't make a right my guy both Thor's were terrible people and I'm not justifying his actions in Thor's past at all so idk why you keep brining that up. And you're missing the fact the team has previously asked him for help in this battle before like they literally set that precedent in the film so how would he not know...
The goats being a meaningful reward doesn't matter to the point I made so idk what to here
After still letting people die and even then still destroying their stuff. Both are bad my guy both neither is good
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I interpretated the goat scene as a "We just wnat you to get the hell out of our planet and stop destroying our stuff but you still saved us as promised so you guess you should have a reward".
The alien leader was clearly upset that Thor had destroyed the temple, a sacred place for his people, and understandably wanted him and the Guardians to get out to avoid more reckless destruction but at the same time, Thor did savd his people and freed their planet as he promised and without him (and the Guardians but Thor could have done it on his own), the people were still partially grateful. They probably felt compelled to give him a reward and show their thankfulness for his efforts. And let's be honest, they saw what he could do so it's not like they were going to gang on him and insult him knowing he could obliterate them with ease.
The alien leader was clearly upset that Thor had destroyed the temple, a sacred place for his people, and understandably wanted him and the Guardians to get out to avoid more reckless destruction but at the same time, Thor did savd his people and freed their planet as he promised and without him (and the Guardians but Thor could have done it on his own), the people were still partially grateful. They probably felt compelled to give him a reward and show their thankfulness for his efforts. And let's be honest, they saw what he could do so it's not like they were going to gang on him and insult him knowing he could obliterate them with ease.
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Thor is a good person and wouldn’t let those kids die so he’s being baited in order for Gorr to obtain Stormbreaker in an easier way. It’s actually a decent plan if you think about it
You’re the one that’s acting like Thor trying to be a hero even with flawed methods automatically makes him a villain. They only asked for help once from what I can recall so to me, it seems like you’re just pulling that out of your ass just to make Thor a villain even when he had good intentions.
The difference is that Thor actually had good intentions
You know what, this whole ass convo going nowhere so let’s just agree to disagree. You don’t like the movie and I enjoy it and I totally respect your opinion
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Nah opening scene establishes that Thor sits and waits until people ask him for help in battle otherwise he doesn't do anything and Quill asked twice and when thor showed up he decided to strike casual conversation and drax literally tells him "we're dying" drax of all people whose not one to speak sarcastically. He was literally on the planet why does he need to wait for them to ask him personally instead of just helping? Even the king says "ah god of thunder, YOU'VE FINALLY JOINED THE FIGHT" meaning this battle wasn't even like something just happened without his knowledge and he just sat and waited letting people die until made their way up to him to ask for his help.
That's fine my guy lol, I respect your love for the film as well
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I'm adding all of the stuff missing from the mcu verse page rn, how should i go about adding the specials? Should i make a new tabber or include them under the series tabber but edit the name a little
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Probably a new tabber since they'll likely be more moving forward
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Considering how different he is from Celestials we've seen elsewhere, Ego is either an incompletely formed Celestial or not an actual Celestial. Either way, there's little reason to assume Ego scales to other Celestials without supporting evidence.
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We still have a lot to do before Phase 5
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Massively Hypersonic+ Scaling for Netflix Characters (Thanks Daredevil and Kingpin)
Fixing Guardian's profiles (Especially Mantis given what she has now)
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New shit:
Calcing some feats in the Guardians movie?
She-Hulk profiles (At the very least, the main character should get one)
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Updates:
Massively Hypersonic+ Scaling for Netflix Characters (Thanks Daredevil and Kingpin)
Fixing Guardian's profiles (Especially Mantis given what she has now)
Updating Shuri and Okoye's page (Also, what conclusion did we reach for Jabari wood?)
New shit:
Calcing some feats in the Guardians movie?
She-Hulk profiles (At the very least, the main character should get one)
She-Hulk feats
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Werewolf by Night Profiles
Namor and Riri profiles (Anyone else?)
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Not Ego himself scaling to other Celestials but Rather Mantis scaling in Potency to Druig? Though now that you mention it, I guess the counter would be why would Mantis scale to power given to Druig by Arishem when Ego certainly is not comparable to Arishem…
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I already have a Jack profile finished, i'm just waiting for this calc to get evaluated before i publish the profile
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