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Hello everyone. We're upgrading characters by downgrading a feat. How nice.
Removing High 7-A and upgrade to At most 6-C
The current High 7-A stats are a combination of these characters scaling to Thor and downscaling from Thanos. Credit to @Qawsedf234 for this. He pointed out reason for why High 7-A should not scale to Thor's base stats:
Dr Strange should be upgraded to straight up 6-C as he was able to physically retrain Thanos, and even forced the latter to use the Infinity stones to break free. It could be argued this may simply be LS, however, said chains do need to be durable enough so they won't get broken apart once Thanos tugs them, and considering he, once again, use the stones to break free, it's clear he couldn't do it on his own.
7-A upgrade
This is fairly easy. All Pre Ragnarok Thor level characters should be upgraded to 7-A via two feats, Thor's Jotunheim feat and Thor's feat of being able to bust Sokovia, coincidentally both are over 400 Megaton and are pretty close to each other in results. And because the Jotunheim feat (The higher of the two) is ridiculously close to 7-A+ (1.1x difference), I think placing characters who were 7-B+ at 7-A+ is acceptable, as Thor's current 7-B rating is very close to 7-B+. (Another coincidence, how nice)
Iron Man should scale above Loki
The Mark 6 sent Loki back and even had him grunting, and Loki decided now was the best time to back off. And Mark 7 sent Loki back and Loki was grunting in pain on the floor. And Loki was on the floor for a while.
Also Loki's feats aren't that high above Iron Man's to begin with, in fact the Asgardians are only 8-A because of one feat, which afaik is higher than a good majority of their feats, so the whole consistency argument can't be brought here, as well as the fact Iron Man's other highest feat is not that much lower than the newest Bifrost explosion. It's not like Thor vs Mark 6 Iron Man where that is a clear outlier and Thor is consistently much higher than Iron Man during that period of time. And it's not like it breaks any scaling chain as we don't have many characters scale to early Iron Man.
And before anyone brings it Captain America in order to debunk this. We already don't scale Cap to Iron Man at all so it doesn't break our current scaling standards
Reworked pages
I created my reworked pages for Rescue and War Machine. They feature the new scaling like above, as well as additional scans and more abilities. As well as an overall more detailed page.
Iron Man page separation
Our current MCU Iron Man page is kind of a composite between different models, notably mark 6 to 47 (Excluding mark 44). To avoid this, I think we should do what the 616 Iron Man page does and create separate profiles. Like yes, it's a long and tedious process, but I think it does allow for better accuracy. Also I should note, unlike the comics, I think only the most notable Iron man suits should have profiles, that being:
Reasoning for this because a lot of suits between Mark 7 to Mark 42 have very little screentime and not that much significance. It's not like the Thorbuster where even tho it appeared for like one issue, the Thorbuster had a pretty significant appearance. We can just change link the armors in his Equipment section.
I made a rough draft for the new Tony page and a Mark 85 page as of now
Others
- Hulkbuster 2.0, and by extension Cull Obsidian and War Machine Mark 4-6 should have "Likely Class T" added as both HB 2 .0 and WM MK4 could restrain a weakaned Thanos, and I doubt Thanos LS would drop so low, even when weakened.
- Giant Man should get resistance to sound manip via here, Giant Man was completely unaffected by War Machine's sonic cannon
Hello everyone. We're upgrading characters by downgrading a feat. How nice.
Removing High 7-A and upgrade to At most 6-C
The current High 7-A stats are a combination of these characters scaling to Thor and downscaling from Thanos. Credit to @Qawsedf234 for this. He pointed out reason for why High 7-A should not scale to Thor's base stats:
- Thor has a power of storm generation. He doesn't cause them as an after effect and a storm cannot be focused into a punch
- The current scaling to his storms is based on the assumption that they come from a similar power source, when there's nothing really to that. Thor's storm generation and ability to punch hard are two different things
- Mjolnir helped focus and contain Thor's powers. But that doesn't mean Thor scales to his storms when he becomes awakened. It just means that he can freely generate storms without needing to point Mjolnir in the air like in Avengers
- This example from the environmental destruction pagealmost word for word covers what Thor does
- Eredin drawing in a storm. While this may scale to the magical attack potency of some mages/God Tiers, this shouldn't scale to the physical stats of those in the Witcher. Environmental destruction is applied here due to the lack of reasoning to support this being applied to physical stats.
- Magnus Chase bringing summer to an island. Here, it's one of Magnus' powers that is causing this phenomena, to which it has little to no reasons for applying to his other forms of attack in regards to Attack Potency, Durability, and Striking StrengthInstead.
Dr Strange should be upgraded to straight up 6-C as he was able to physically retrain Thanos, and even forced the latter to use the Infinity stones to break free. It could be argued this may simply be LS, however, said chains do need to be durable enough so they won't get broken apart once Thanos tugs them, and considering he, once again, use the stones to break free, it's clear he couldn't do it on his own.
7-A upgrade
This is fairly easy. All Pre Ragnarok Thor level characters should be upgraded to 7-A via two feats, Thor's Jotunheim feat and Thor's feat of being able to bust Sokovia, coincidentally both are over 400 Megaton and are pretty close to each other in results. And because the Jotunheim feat (The higher of the two) is ridiculously close to 7-A+ (1.1x difference), I think placing characters who were 7-B+ at 7-A+ is acceptable, as Thor's current 7-B rating is very close to 7-B+. (Another coincidence, how nice)
Iron Man should scale above Loki
The Mark 6 sent Loki back and even had him grunting, and Loki decided now was the best time to back off. And Mark 7 sent Loki back and Loki was grunting in pain on the floor. And Loki was on the floor for a while.
Also Loki's feats aren't that high above Iron Man's to begin with, in fact the Asgardians are only 8-A because of one feat, which afaik is higher than a good majority of their feats, so the whole consistency argument can't be brought here, as well as the fact Iron Man's other highest feat is not that much lower than the newest Bifrost explosion. It's not like Thor vs Mark 6 Iron Man where that is a clear outlier and Thor is consistently much higher than Iron Man during that period of time. And it's not like it breaks any scaling chain as we don't have many characters scale to early Iron Man.
And before anyone brings it Captain America in order to debunk this. We already don't scale Cap to Iron Man at all so it doesn't break our current scaling standards
Reworked pages
I created my reworked pages for Rescue and War Machine. They feature the new scaling like above, as well as additional scans and more abilities. As well as an overall more detailed page.
Iron Man page separation
Our current MCU Iron Man page is kind of a composite between different models, notably mark 6 to 47 (Excluding mark 44). To avoid this, I think we should do what the 616 Iron Man page does and create separate profiles. Like yes, it's a long and tedious process, but I think it does allow for better accuracy. Also I should note, unlike the comics, I think only the most notable Iron man suits should have profiles, that being:
- Mark 1
- Mark 2
- Mark 3
- Mark 4
- Mark 6
- Mark 7
- Mark 42
- Mark 43
- Mark 44
- Mark 45
- Mark 46
- Mark 48
- Mark 50
- Mark 85
Reasoning for this because a lot of suits between Mark 7 to Mark 42 have very little screentime and not that much significance. It's not like the Thorbuster where even tho it appeared for like one issue, the Thorbuster had a pretty significant appearance. We can just change link the armors in his Equipment section.
I made a rough draft for the new Tony page and a Mark 85 page as of now
Others
- Hulkbuster 2.0, and by extension Cull Obsidian and War Machine Mark 4-6 should have "Likely Class T" added as both HB 2 .0 and WM MK4 could restrain a weakaned Thanos, and I doubt Thanos LS would drop so low, even when weakened.
- Giant Man should get resistance to sound manip via here, Giant Man was completely unaffected by War Machine's sonic cannon
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