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TASM Peter is more consistently 8-C and he's portrayed as getting his ass whooped by Electro. High 8-C doesn't fit
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MCU Phase 4 General Discussion Thread
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Coolboy6
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“Tier 1 Luke Cage”
“Not a strong argument”
“”why are having this debate”
Those sayings felt very sarcastic to me, sorry if it sounds stupid but that’s just how I felt. Anyways back to the main discussion that was brought up
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Tier 1 Luke Cage is an example. Not a strong argument is just me being honest. Why are we having this debate is a genuine question. Truthfully, I don't wanna get back into this topic, its very overplayed by now
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Ya and my point is he can take multiple blows from him and still keep going
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He's more consistently taking his lesser value attacks and hasn't once been hit with an Arc Reactor enhanced blast
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But do we really know that for sure?
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Um...yeah. We do actually, I literally brought up the moments in the film that emphasize the Arc Reactor blasts. This isn't me guessing and shrugging. We literally know. Same goes for the values in TASM2
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You mean in NWH or tasm2, dosen’t matter considering he would scale off of Tom besdies as I said it shouldn’t matter considering his already absorbing energy from the arc. Heck didn’t ock straight up over power electro with the reactor?
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I mean in both
Ock didn't overpower Electro, he caught him off-guard. Context matters. Lets also remember Electro absolutely wasted Otto earlier when first gaining the Arc Reactor
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In all seriousness, we can't see when the values increased during battle because of camera angles and stuff, so its hard to tell when he's at a certain power level
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Ok then that doesn’t make much sense tbh considering electro was trying to straight up kill him in both
He kinda did considering electro had more then enough time to break out of his grip
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not really, he blasted him out of the building and jumped off just fine seconds later
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Again, you're ignoring the evidence I've brought up requiring the context and blasts and the calculated values. This isn't headcanon, this is literally in the movies
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Electro's highest value is literally only shown when Electro's about to be absorbed. Yes. We do in fact know that his scuffle with Peter wasn't his peak
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I’ve literally responded to your evidence ever time you brought it up. Ya and electro trying to murder peter is also in the films
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Look I can’t tell you when Electro didn’t spam Arc Reactor blasts the entire fight and isn’t always fighting exactly at his peak. All I can tell you is that it’s there
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YES. WE DO. The Arc Reactor's signature whine sound is unmistakeable in its usage.
No. They aren't. We established that in the threads prior.
8-C has 28 instances and High 8-C has 33, 8-B has 6.
8-C is more or less is normal operating level staying out of the red warning levels, whenever he approaches High 8-C+ or 8-B tho he gets close to overloading and get his ammeter on his head entering the red territory.
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Electro doesn't need to go all out to murder Peter. And his Arc Reactor blasts have the signature whine we know and love from Iron Man's suit.
Whine? High 8-C Arc Reactor
No whine? 8-C electric attacks. That simple.
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And you don’t need to I’ve already stated that it shouldn’t matter. His litterly absorbing energy from the reactor constantly, he regular blasts shouldn’t be any different from the one that comes out of the reactor. Heck you can even here it a bit when his blasting Andrew so it shouldn’t matter regardless
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He litterly blasts them with it a couple of times so it doesn’t matter tbh
don’t you mean 8-a?
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KLOL’s argument above counters all of this so I won’t repeat him
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Already counter his
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I'm pretty sure that bucky is relative to cap and t'challa, no way he could be that below them when he can consistently match the former and is temporally beaten by the latter.
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I did, what severally consistent 8-c showings?
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I already brought up that Cap beat him while holding back. He only beat Cap when Steve refused to fight
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…..Have you read our pages or….?
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….. what pages?
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Our profiles. For the Spider-Men. The three of them individually. Have you read them?
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Oh those ya
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But Steve was not refusing to fight at the beginning of Winter Soldier when he didn't even know his identity, he was going toe-to-toe with him.
They both were both also fairly coordinated when they cornered Tony in Civil War, if Bucky was as below as your are making out the fight would have been all carried by cap.
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The first fight wasn’t really a straight forward one-on-one with the full context. The later fights, however (when Steve knows who he is), are
Coordinated =/= equal in skill. Bucky’s arm gave Tony a tough time, but that was through sheer strength, while Steve actually had Tony on the ropes through due to his greater skill
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They have all the evidence of consistent 8-C
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Only one he blasts twice is Tom. Nobody else had an Arc Reactor whine. I'd know, I watched that section of the fight five times in a row.
Nah, Arc Reactor on its own is High 8-C via 10 gigajoule statement. 8-A comes from IM's suit weaponising it.
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And they would still scale regardless. Andrew seemed to have one
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Then why is it shown on his profile that he goes up to 8-a?
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This? LMAO no, neither Tobey nor Andrew have that signature whine that Iron Man has when he shoots his repulsor blasts, only Tom and Tom alone gets the Repulsor blast (Which you can clearly hear at 5m 42s).
Also no, the 8-A part is not a passive amp, it is an active amp. Electro absorbing energy =/= becoming 8-A automatically unless the charge-up sound is audible.
In case you don't know what the sound is, here you go.
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No, they would not. Andrew never got the Arc Reactor Repulsor Whine, neither did Tobey, only Tom did.
Because it's an active amp, though even then I personally myself have issues with this, always did. Iron Man being 8-A with said repulsor blasts and said Arc Reactor shouldn't mean that Electro should have it too, all he uses the reactor for is a near-infinite supply of energy, Stark literally mastered its power use and forged literal 7-B lasers out of it and accidental 8-A explosions from a two-man repulsor clash.
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Dude, the fight after he attacked Fury and blasted Steve with a Granade launcher, not the rooftop chase.
Coordination absolutely mean equal skill in this context, skill is not merely beaten someone with fancy moves, is also being able to synchronize with someone's else fancy moves on a specific task.
Steve had Tony on the ropes because he was better in hand to hand than him, had a shield that neutralizes his attack while giving him a harder punch, and Tony really refusing to kill or noticeably harm Steve through out the entire battle.
Bucky had the first, but lacked the second and third.
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Once again, not a simple one-on-one
It certainly doesn't. If that were the case, Black Widow would be as skilled as Thor. That would also mean the two other Spider-Men would be as skilled as MCU Peter, which they are not (the Spider-Men are equal in stats of course, but skill is a different story)
Bucky performed significantly less effective against Iron Man than Steve did. The fact that the climax of that movie is Steve preventing Bucky from being capped by Tony should support that as well
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